Should abstinence 101 be taught in public education

[initforme]

The piull is a great thing. It prevents millions of unwanted and not needed pregnancies. The problem is it won't guard against STDs and other things. But for the growing number of young married couples who are courageously choosing not to have kids its a great thing.

 

[j-mac]

The piull is a great thing. It prevents millions of unwanted and not needed pregnancies. The problem is it won't guard against STDs and other things. But for the growing number of young married couples who are courageously choosing not to have kids its a great thing.

Why is it "courageous" to choose NOT to have children? There are those that would argue that it is selfish to not want to have children when married.

 

[Seawytch]

The piull is a great thing. It prevents millions of unwanted and not needed pregnancies. The problem is it won't guard against STDs and other things. But for the growing number of young married couples who are courageously choosing not to have kids its a great thing.

Why is it "courageous" to choose NOT to have children? There are those that would argue that it is selfish to not want to have children when married.

What makes it selfish? While I don't necessarily agree that it is courageous not to have children I also don't see where it is selfish either. If you don't want kids or aren't ready for them, you aren't doing anyone any favors by having them.

 

[j-mac]

The piull is a great thing. It prevents millions of unwanted and not needed pregnancies. The problem is it won't guard against STDs and other things. But for the growing number of young married couples who are courageously choosing not to have kids its a great thing.

Why is it "courageous" to choose NOT to have children? There are those that would argue that it is selfish to not want to have children when married.

What makes it selfish? While I don't necessarily agree that it is courageous not to have children I also don't see where it is selfish either. If you don't want kids or aren't ready for them, you aren't doing anyone any favors by having them.

I didn't say that I thought it was, but only that some people do. I would imagine that their argument would be along the lines of one of the purposes of marriage is to procreate. Therefore, get married, and have children....

 

[Seawytch]

I recall "sex ed" and they taught nothing relevant. Demonstrating how to put a rubber on is ridiculous. I still cannot roll one on even with Magnum XLs in the heat of the action.

Here is sex ed 101 in one post...

Pre-menopausal woman ovulates a few days a month. She will be hornier than normal so be careful! A few days before or after the period and you should be safe with no protection. However, if she is a serious girlfriend, get her on the pill. Than way there will not even be many rag days. Have fun, and do be stupid and desperate by banging an ugly, short or fat broad! Class dismissed!

Yes, yes....Thanks for that.... I'd like to think that when our kids get to say a middle school, say 8th grade level, that they are taught that the safest way to not find yourself in a pregnancy situation is to simply NOT insert the penis into the vagina at all....Why is that so controversial? Are we really looking for our kids to be having sex?

There is not a single sex ed program anywhere that does not teach abstinence as the most effect form of birth control and STD prevention. It should never be the only form taught.

 

[Seawytch]

The piull is a great thing. It prevents millions of unwanted and not needed pregnancies. The problem is it won't guard against STDs and other things. But for the growing number of young married couples who are courageously choosing not to have kids its a great thing.

Why is it "courageous" to choose NOT to have children? There are those that would argue that it is selfish to not want to have children when married.

What makes it selfish? While I don't necessarily agree that it is courageous not to have children I also don't see where it is selfish either. If you don't want kids or aren't ready for them, you aren't doing anyone any favors by having them.

I didn't say that I thought it was, but only that some people do. I would imagine that their argument would be along the lines of one of the purposes of marriage is to procreate. Therefore, get married, and have children....

And "some people" would be very, very wrong.

 

[j-mac]

I recall "sex ed" and they taught nothing relevant. Demonstrating how to put a rubber on is ridiculous. I still cannot roll one on even with Magnum XLs in the heat of the action.

Here is sex ed 101 in one post...

Pre-menopausal woman ovulates a few days a month. She will be hornier than normal so be careful! A few days before or after the period and you should be safe with no protection. However, if she is a serious girlfriend, get her on the pill. Than way there will not even be many rag days. Have fun, and do be stupid and desperate by banging an ugly, short or fat broad! Class dismissed!

Yes, yes....Thanks for that.... I'd like to think that when our kids get to say a middle school, say 8th grade level, that they are taught that the safest way to not find yourself in a pregnancy situation is to simply NOT insert the penis into the vagina at all....Why is that so controversial? Are we really looking for our kids to be having sex?

There is not a single sex ed program anywhere that does not teach abstinence as the most effect form of birth control and STD prevention. It should never be the only form taught.

No, of course not...And I am not advocating that it is...Only that emphasis be placed on abstinence, and that these kids understand that a decision fueled by what can be an overwhelming urge for the moment, can result in a world of heartache....And a life of less than optimal outcomes.

 

[j-mac]

The piull is a great thing. It prevents millions of unwanted and not needed pregnancies. The problem is it won't guard against STDs and other things. But for the growing number of young married couples who are courageously choosing not to have kids its a great thing.

Why is it "courageous" to choose NOT to have children? There are those that would argue that it is selfish to not want to have children when married.

What makes it selfish? While I don't necessarily agree that it is courageous not to have children I also don't see where it is selfish either. If you don't want kids or aren't ready for them, you aren't doing anyone any favors by having them.

I didn't say that I thought it was, but only that some people do. I would imagine that their argument would be along the lines of one of the purposes of marriage is to procreate. Therefore, get married, and have children....

And "some people" would be very, very wrong.

Just sayin.... Don't you remember not too awfully long ago, in tv shows, and movies where the mom, in a scene would always ask the newly weds something like "when are you going to give me grandchildren"?? I do....

 

[Seawytch]

I recall "sex ed" and they taught nothing relevant. Demonstrating how to put a rubber on is ridiculous. I still cannot roll one on even with Magnum XLs in the heat of the action.

Here is sex ed 101 in one post...

Pre-menopausal woman ovulates a few days a month. She will be hornier than normal so be careful! A few days before or after the period and you should be safe with no protection. However, if she is a serious girlfriend, get her on the pill. Than way there will not even be many rag days. Have fun, and do be stupid and desperate by banging an ugly, short or fat broad! Class dismissed!

Yes, yes....Thanks for that.... I'd like to think that when our kids get to say a middle school, say 8th grade level, that they are taught that the safest way to not find yourself in a pregnancy situation is to simply NOT insert the penis into the vagina at all....Why is that so controversial? Are we really looking for our kids to be having sex?

There is not a single sex ed program anywhere that does not teach abstinence as the most effect form of birth control and STD prevention. It should never be the only form taught.

No, of course not...And I am not advocating that it is...Only that emphasis be placed on abstinence, and that these kids understand that a decision fueled by what can be an overwhelming urge for the moment, can result in a world of heartache....And a life of less than optimal outcomes.

It already is so stop worrying.

 

[Seawytch]

The piull is a great thing. It prevents millions of unwanted and not needed pregnancies. The problem is it won't guard against STDs and other things. But for the growing number of young married couples who are courageously choosing not to have kids its a great thing.

Why is it "courageous" to choose NOT to have children? There are those that would argue that it is selfish to not want to have children when married.

What makes it selfish? While I don't necessarily agree that it is courageous not to have children I also don't see where it is selfish either. If you don't want kids or aren't ready for them, you aren't doing anyone any favors by having them.

I didn't say that I thought it was, but only that some people do. I would imagine that their argument would be along the lines of one of the purposes of marriage is to procreate. Therefore, get married, and have children....

And "some people" would be very, very wrong.

Just sayin.... Don't you remember not too awfully long ago, in tv shows, and movies where the mom, in a scene would always ask the newly weds something like "when are you going to give me grandchildren"?? I do....

And I prefer a more modern and progressive time where it's perfectly okay to say "we're not having children". My brother and his wife did leaving the lesbian to be the one to "carry on the family name"

 

[ChrisL]

Do you think so, check one, Yes or No.

I agree with the intent of my friend's political cartoon that makes fun of anti sex-ed freeks.

Okay Jake, here is a question that you can answer?

What contraception technique is 100% fool proof? Without killing unborn or born children?
a. Condom
b. Pill
c. RU486
d. Vaginal Mesh
e. Abstinence
f. put an aspirin between a girls knees and tell her not to let it fall.

Now focus Jake, which one is will prevent a birth 100% of the time?

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That is SO ignorant. As if girls are not human and don't have urges and curiosities?

 

[ChrisL]

Do you think so, check one, Yes or No.

I agree with the intent of my friend's political cartoon that makes fun of anti sex-ed freeks.

Okay Jake, here is a question that you can answer?

What contraception technique is 100% fool proof? Without killing unborn or born children?
a. Condom
b. Pill
c. RU486
d. Vaginal Mesh
e. Abstinence
f. put an aspirin between a girls knees and tell her not to let it fall.

Now focus Jake, which one is will prevent a birth 100% of the time?

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Vaginal mesh isn't a form of birth control either. NOTHING is going to prevent birth 100% of the time because girls AND BOYS are curious about sex and have urges like anyone else.

I do agree with abstinence being the best way to prevent unwanted pregnancy, but it is just beyond silly to expect that of human beings.

 

[Divine Wind]

No, of course not...And I am not advocating that it is...Only that emphasis be placed on abstinence, and that these kids understand that a decision fueled by what can be an overwhelming urge for the moment, can result in a world of heartache....And a life of less than optimal outcomes.

As others have stated, I agree abstinence should be taught as part of an overall program. Nancy Reagan's "Just say No" anti-drug program was more feel-good than effective because it didn't explain the consequences of drug use. Same for teaching sex-ed/abstinence, it's important to teach the consequences of actions.

A common problem, however, is young people often believe "it can't happen to me" which is why they text and drive despite repeated warnings. Still, better to say something and have a few ignore it, than not say something at all.

Other subjects that can be taught along with sex ed/abstinence:
Initial, annual and lifetime costs of having a child

That having a child doesn't make one an adult or give value to one's own life.

STDs, both curable and incurable.

Laws regarding negligence of a child. Laws regarding minors.

 

[rightwinger]

I grew up then
Only the father worked and mom stayed home to raise the kids

Divorce was rare as women had nowhere else to go

Family planning has changed our society for the better. Families tend to only have the number of children they can afford. Our birth rate may be at 1.8 per family, but our population continues to grow

Guess what happens to a society when that society has less children than it takes to replace the parents?

Our society has 330 million people and growing

Guess what happens to a society where parents have more children than they can afford?

Isn't that exactly what is happening with those stuck on the liberal plantation of generational welfare? So, are you like Margret Sanger promoting the idea of abortion as a means of controlling the populations of how she termed it then, "the wanted hordes of negro babies"? Because if you are, we know exactly where you are coming from.

Sanger did not advocate abortion and was correct in advocating family planning for poor people. She saw, firsthand, the impact that too many children had on the ability of people to escape poverty

Sanger was a racist, eugenicist piece of shit....

"It was in 1939 that Sanger's larger vision for dealing with the reproductive practices of black Americans emerged. After the January 1939 merger of her Clinical Research Bureau and the ABCL to form the Birth Control Federation of America, Dr. Clarence J. Gamble was selected to become the BCFA regional director for the South. Dr. Gamble, of the soap-manufacturing Procter and Gamble company, was no newcomer to Sanger's organization. He had previously served as director at large to the predecessor ABCL.

Gamble lost no time and drew up a memorandum in November 1939 entitled "Suggestion for Negro Project." Acknowledging that black leaders might regard birth control as an extermination plot, he suggested that black leaders be place in positions where it would appear that they were in chargeÑas it was at an Atlanta conference.

It is evident from the rest of the memo that Gamble conceived the project almost as a traveling road show. A charismatic black minister was to start a revival, with "contributions" to come from other local cooperating ministers. A "colored nurse" would follow, supported by a subsidized "colored doctor." Gamble even suggested that music might be a useful lure to bring the prospects to a meeting.

Sanger answered Gamble on Dec. 10. 1939, agreeing with the assessment. She wrote: "We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten that idea out if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." In 1940, money for two "Negro Project" demonstration programs in southern states was donated by advertising magnate Albert D. Lasker and his wife, Mary."

BlackGenocide.org | The Truth About Margaret Sanger - Page Two

Unless you are trying to assert that only black people are 'poor people', then you are simply, and completely wrong.

Hard to believe you still try to pass that piece of misinformation about Sanger
It has been thoroughly discredited

Sanger was trying to recruit black ministers because they were leaders in the black community. There was a general mistrust in the black community about whites pushing policies on them. She wanted to quell rumors that birth control was a way to exterminate the black population.

 

[rightwinger]

No, of course not...And I am not advocating that it is...Only that emphasis be placed on abstinence, and that these kids understand that a decision fueled by what can be an overwhelming urge for the moment, can result in a world of heartache....And a life of less than optimal outcomes.

As others have stated, I agree abstinence should be taught as part of an overall program. Nancy Reagan's "Just say No" anti-drug program was more feel-good than effective because it didn't explain the consequences of drug use. Same for teaching sex-ed/abstinence, it's important to teach the consequences of actions.

A common problem, however, is young people often believe "it can't happen to me" which is why they text and drive despite repeated warnings. Still, better to say something and have a few ignore it, than not say something at all.

Other subjects that can be taught along with sex ed/abstinence:
Initial, annual and lifetime costs of having a child

That having a child doesn't make one an adult or give value to one's own life.

STDs, both curable and incurable.

Laws regarding negligence of a child. Laws regarding minors.

The problem with abstinence is that people like to fuck....it feels good and is a lot of fun.
It also solidifies your relationship with your partner
Billions of people are doing it

To pretend that just telling someone to ignore their sexual urges is effective birth control is ineffective
It has never worked on a large scale

100% of unwanted pregnancies are due to a failure of abstinence

 

[j-mac]

Guess what happens to a society when that society has less children than it takes to replace the parents?

Our society has 330 million people and growing

Guess what happens to a society where parents have more children than they can afford?

Isn't that exactly what is happening with those stuck on the liberal plantation of generational welfare? So, are you like Margret Sanger promoting the idea of abortion as a means of controlling the populations of how she termed it then, "the wanted hordes of negro babies"? Because if you are, we know exactly where you are coming from.

Sanger did not advocate abortion and was correct in advocating family planning for poor people. She saw, firsthand, the impact that too many children had on the ability of people to escape poverty

Sanger was a racist, eugenicist piece of shit....

"It was in 1939 that Sanger's larger vision for dealing with the reproductive practices of black Americans emerged. After the January 1939 merger of her Clinical Research Bureau and the ABCL to form the Birth Control Federation of America, Dr. Clarence J. Gamble was selected to become the BCFA regional director for the South. Dr. Gamble, of the soap-manufacturing Procter and Gamble company, was no newcomer to Sanger's organization. He had previously served as director at large to the predecessor ABCL.

Gamble lost no time and drew up a memorandum in November 1939 entitled "Suggestion for Negro Project." Acknowledging that black leaders might regard birth control as an extermination plot, he suggested that black leaders be place in positions where it would appear that they were in chargeÑas it was at an Atlanta conference.

It is evident from the rest of the memo that Gamble conceived the project almost as a traveling road show. A charismatic black minister was to start a revival, with "contributions" to come from other local cooperating ministers. A "colored nurse" would follow, supported by a subsidized "colored doctor." Gamble even suggested that music might be a useful lure to bring the prospects to a meeting.

Sanger answered Gamble on Dec. 10. 1939, agreeing with the assessment. She wrote: "We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten that idea out if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." In 1940, money for two "Negro Project" demonstration programs in southern states was donated by advertising magnate Albert D. Lasker and his wife, Mary."

BlackGenocide.org | The Truth About Margaret Sanger - Page Two

Unless you are trying to assert that only black people are 'poor people', then you are simply, and completely wrong.

Hard to believe you still try to pass that piece of misinformation about Sanger
It has been thoroughly discredited

Sanger was trying to recruit black ministers because they were leaders in the black community. There was a general mistrust in the black community about whites pushing policies on them. She wanted to quell rumors that birth control was a way to exterminate the black population.

Aw Bull Shit! It's right there in her own quotes...Face it, the true racists in history, are today, and have always been liberals.

 

[j-mac]

No, of course not...And I am not advocating that it is...Only that emphasis be placed on abstinence, and that these kids understand that a decision fueled by what can be an overwhelming urge for the moment, can result in a world of heartache....And a life of less than optimal outcomes.

As others have stated, I agree abstinence should be taught as part of an overall program. Nancy Reagan's "Just say No" anti-drug program was more feel-good than effective because it didn't explain the consequences of drug use. Same for teaching sex-ed/abstinence, it's important to teach the consequences of actions.

A common problem, however, is young people often believe "it can't happen to me" which is why they text and drive despite repeated warnings. Still, better to say something and have a few ignore it, than not say something at all.

Other subjects that can be taught along with sex ed/abstinence:
Initial, annual and lifetime costs of having a child

That having a child doesn't make one an adult or give value to one's own life.

STDs, both curable and incurable.

Laws regarding negligence of a child. Laws regarding minors.

The problem with abstinence is that people like to fuck....it feels good and is a lot of fun.
It also solidifies your relationship with your partner
Billions of people are doing it

To pretend that just telling someone to ignore their sexual urges is effective birth control is ineffective
It has never worked on a large scale

100% of unwanted pregnancies are due to a failure of abstinence

What do you think would be the ultimate harm if the Abortion question was returned to the States to decide for themselves? And if a majority of people in this country agree with Abortion on demand, then why does the left block any attempts to either hold on referendum?, or move for an amendment to the constitution....?

 

[j-mac]

I recall "sex ed" and they taught nothing relevant. Demonstrating how to put a rubber on is ridiculous. I still cannot roll one on even with Magnum XLs in the heat of the action.

Here is sex ed 101 in one post...

Pre-menopausal woman ovulates a few days a month. She will be hornier than normal so be careful! A few days before or after the period and you should be safe with no protection. However, if she is a serious girlfriend, get her on the pill. Than way there will not even be many rag days. Have fun, and do be stupid and desperate by banging an ugly, short or fat broad! Class dismissed!

Yes, yes....Thanks for that.... I'd like to think that when our kids get to say a middle school, say 8th grade level, that they are taught that the safest way to not find yourself in a pregnancy situation is to simply NOT insert the penis into the vagina at all....Why is that so controversial? Are we really looking for our kids to be having sex?

There is not a single sex ed program anywhere that does not teach abstinence as the most effect form of birth control and STD prevention. It should never be the only form taught.

No, of course not...And I am not advocating that it is...Only that emphasis be placed on abstinence, and that these kids understand that a decision fueled by what can be an overwhelming urge for the moment, can result in a world of heartache....And a life of less than optimal outcomes.

It already is so stop worrying.

Worrying? Nah, I raised my kids right....No worries here.

 

[Divine Wind]

The problem with abstinence is that people like to fuck....it feels good and is a lot of fun.
It also solidifies your relationship with your partner
Billions of people are doing it

To pretend that just telling someone to ignore their sexual urges is effective birth control is ineffective
It has never worked on a large scale

100% of unwanted pregnancies are due to a failure of abstinence

So let 12 year olds do what comes natural without any adult guidance? Disagreed.

What age do you think the age of consent should be?

 

[j-mac]

Why is it "courageous" to choose NOT to have children? There are those that would argue that it is selfish to not want to have children when married.

What makes it selfish? While I don't necessarily agree that it is courageous not to have children I also don't see where it is selfish either. If you don't want kids or aren't ready for them, you aren't doing anyone any favors by having them.

I didn't say that I thought it was, but only that some people do. I would imagine that their argument would be along the lines of one of the purposes of marriage is to procreate. Therefore, get married, and have children....

And "some people" would be very, very wrong.

Just sayin.... Don't you remember not too awfully long ago, in tv shows, and movies where the mom, in a scene would always ask the newly weds something like "when are you going to give me grandchildren"?? I do....

And I prefer a more modern and progressive time where it's perfectly okay to say "we're not having children". My brother and his wife did leaving the lesbian to be the one to "carry on the family name"

Sounds like your brother made a smart move.....