Shootings Renew Debate Over How to Combat Domestic Terrorism

[Mortis]

The Fed is calling all white supremacists and white nationalist 'domestic terrorists" and intend to use the same means they use against Islamic terrorists. How do you feel about that?

How Many Attacks Will It Take Until the White-Supremacist Threat Is Taken Seriously?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I see the attention of the LE community slowly turning to smashing the Alt/right extremists who advocate violence---this is the coming thing..all the signs are there--the new flavor of the month for LEA attention is White Nationalists who advocate violence:

Shootings Renew Debate Over How to Combat Domestic Terrorism


"Law enforcement officials have sounded the alarm for months: Homegrown terrorism, including by white supremacists, is now as big a threat as terrorism from abroad. But the mass shooting in El Paso last weekend, the largest domestic terrorist attack against Hispanics in modern history, has made it glaringly clear how poorly prepared the country is to fight it.

The United States spent nearly 20 years intensely focused on threats from Islamic extremists. The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, rerouted the machinery of government to fight against threats of violence from the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan. But those attacks have waned in recent years, replaced by violence from white supremacists — an increasingly internet-driven phenomenon of lone wolves, not groups, that will prove immensely difficult to combat.
On Monday, President Trump pledged to give federal law enforcement authorities “whatever they need” to combat domestic terrorism. The motive for the second attack of the weekend, in Dayton, Ohio, remains unknown. But even before the shootings, which left at least 31 people dead, officials said that preventing attacks from white supremacists and nationalists would require adopting the same type of broad and aggressive approach used to battle international extremism.
“We need to catch them and incarcerate them before they act on their plans,” Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general, said in an email interview. “We need to be proactive by identifying and disrupting potential terrorists before they strike, and we can accomplish that by monitoring terrorist propaganda and communications.”

“The top-down hierarchies of the past have been increasingly supplanted by a more democratized and a geographically dispersed set of erratic do-it-yourselfers,” he said. “Now, so-called lone wolves are turbocharged by a fragmented and hate-filled dark web which has become a modern-day, virtual neo-Nazi boot camp available 24-7 anywhere in the world with an internet connection.”"

While these men often act alone, the F.B.I. says that technology has allowed American terrorists to plug into a global community of terrorists who espouse similarly hateful ideologies. Domestic terrorists are increasingly citing terrorists overseas in their killings. In his manifesto, the suspected El Paso gunman said that he agreed with the gunman who attacked two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. The suspect in New Zealand said in the manifesto he is believed to have written that he had been inspired by Dylann Roof, who murdered nine people at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C.

Mr. Neiwert said people with extremist sympathies were now organizing online and attaching themselves to groups that aren’t as explicit about white supremacist notions.

The conservative magazine National Review published an editorial on Sunday evening calling on Americans and their government to take on “a murderous and resurgent ideology — white supremacy” in much the same way the government has confronted Islamic terrorism.

Being one-sided is not going to start a debate or fix anything therefore you and your ink is the problem

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Oh good lord... what a bunch of stupidity!
No mention of frothing at the mouth media that blast out divisive language every single day, no mention of the race baiters and politicians encouraging attacking people in restaurants etc.
Just look at the 1,000's of videos of people wearing a MAGA hat getting refused service, attacked, ridiculed.
No wonder people are so fucked up right now...

You have a point..no doubt. But..this IS what is going on now..and a majority of the people want this shyte to stop..is it entirely fair? Probably not..but there is a quantitative difference between refusing service or being ridiculed....and killing 22.

My point is that the internet is going to be the battlefield..and they are talking about being proactive..jailing potential actors before they act...and they are talking about using the same means that they use against Islamic terrorists. Besides the obvious irony of that...there is the question of what those who hold such views..will do..when the hunting dogs..are hunting them!

Also note the semantics of the language used.."terrorists"--that is the magic word that erases your rights...allows "aggressive interrogation'--rendition.

Every web site keeps records of every convo...what happens when this site gets the FISA supeana...and they comb all these posts...who ends up in their sights,,Hmmmm?

How many people were shot in Chicago, 40 if I am not mistaken, 7 of which died, but not a peep out of the Lame Stream Media because it doesnt fit the liberal media? Hmmm, more people are dying at the hands of blacks in the US, but as long as it is in the inner cites, the left just doesnt seem to care, but if a White 19 year old Socialist starts blowing people away, then someone must pay for this.

By the way, I thought I heard 7 Mexican Nationals were killed in that store. My Saudi Arabian response to that is...If those Illegals hadn't crossed into the US and stayed in their own country they might be alive today. With illegal actions comes consequences...

***chuckles*** you do make a lot of assumptions..you do not even know if the Mexican nationals were here legally..you do know that thousands cross legally to shop in El Paso, right? i see you are down with the spin about the shooter being a socialist..do you think that dog will hunt?

No matter..and off topic---but...what do you think about the OP? Since you do not mention it at all? Are you ready to be labeled a potential terrorist?

I do know that many people are here in the US abusing our immigration system, this is the only country that doesnt punish those who cross a border. While in Saudi Arabia, if you cross the border illegally your head would be cut off. If you are driving down the road, legally and you get hit by a Saudi, it is 100% your fault, no matter what, because the law over there states "If you weren't there in the first place, the Saudi wouldn't have had the accident". If those Mexicans weren't in the US at the Walmart, they wouldn't of been shot. Actions have consequences..

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The Fed is calling all white supremacists and white nationalist 'domestic terrorists" and intend to use the same means they use against Islamic terrorists. How do you feel about that?

How Many Attacks Will It Take Until the White-Supremacist Threat Is Taken Seriously?

Oh I dont know, how many blacks kill blacks and the threat isnt taken seriously.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I see the attention of the LE community slowly turning to smashing the Alt/right extremists who advocate violence---this is the coming thing..all the signs are there--the new flavor of the month for LEA attention is White Nationalists who advocate violence:

Shootings Renew Debate Over How to Combat Domestic Terrorism


"Law enforcement officials have sounded the alarm for months: Homegrown terrorism, including by white supremacists, is now as big a threat as terrorism from abroad. But the mass shooting in El Paso last weekend, the largest domestic terrorist attack against Hispanics in modern history, has made it glaringly clear how poorly prepared the country is to fight it.

The United States spent nearly 20 years intensely focused on threats from Islamic extremists. The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, rerouted the machinery of government to fight against threats of violence from the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan. But those attacks have waned in recent years, replaced by violence from white supremacists — an increasingly internet-driven phenomenon of lone wolves, not groups, that will prove immensely difficult to combat.
On Monday, President Trump pledged to give federal law enforcement authorities “whatever they need” to combat domestic terrorism. The motive for the second attack of the weekend, in Dayton, Ohio, remains unknown. But even before the shootings, which left at least 31 people dead, officials said that preventing attacks from white supremacists and nationalists would require adopting the same type of broad and aggressive approach used to battle international extremism.
“We need to catch them and incarcerate them before they act on their plans,” Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general, said in an email interview. “We need to be proactive by identifying and disrupting potential terrorists before they strike, and we can accomplish that by monitoring terrorist propaganda and communications.”

“The top-down hierarchies of the past have been increasingly supplanted by a more democratized and a geographically dispersed set of erratic do-it-yourselfers,” he said. “Now, so-called lone wolves are turbocharged by a fragmented and hate-filled dark web which has become a modern-day, virtual neo-Nazi boot camp available 24-7 anywhere in the world with an internet connection.”"

While these men often act alone, the F.B.I. says that technology has allowed American terrorists to plug into a global community of terrorists who espouse similarly hateful ideologies. Domestic terrorists are increasingly citing terrorists overseas in their killings. In his manifesto, the suspected El Paso gunman said that he agreed with the gunman who attacked two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. The suspect in New Zealand said in the manifesto he is believed to have written that he had been inspired by Dylann Roof, who murdered nine people at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C.

Mr. Neiwert said people with extremist sympathies were now organizing online and attaching themselves to groups that aren’t as explicit about white supremacist notions.

The conservative magazine National Review published an editorial on Sunday evening calling on Americans and their government to take on “a murderous and resurgent ideology — white supremacy” in much the same way the government has confronted Islamic terrorism.

Being one-sided is not going to start a debate or fix anything therefore you and your ink is the problem

One-sided/ Not really in the picture. Just an article..that I find to be a wake-up call. i had some curiosity as well..as to how many here see that the light at the end of the tunnel...is a train!
This is a blame game..and it is the coming thing....and many Pro-gun activists are seeing the White Supremacist issue as a way to take the heat off of them..it's not a gun problem..it's an extremist problem--a Domestic Terrorist problem....is the refrain.

I'm finding that very few are even willing to respond directly to the article..even to try to debunk it. That, in and of itself, is telling.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I see the attention of the LE community slowly turning to smashing the Alt/right extremists who advocate violence---this is the coming thing..all the signs are there--the new flavor of the month for LEA attention is White Nationalists who advocate violence:

Shootings Renew Debate Over How to Combat Domestic Terrorism


"Law enforcement officials have sounded the alarm for months: Homegrown terrorism, including by white supremacists, is now as big a threat as terrorism from abroad. But the mass shooting in El Paso last weekend, the largest domestic terrorist attack against Hispanics in modern history, has made it glaringly clear how poorly prepared the country is to fight it.

The United States spent nearly 20 years intensely focused on threats from Islamic extremists. The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, rerouted the machinery of government to fight against threats of violence from the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan. But those attacks have waned in recent years, replaced by violence from white supremacists — an increasingly internet-driven phenomenon of lone wolves, not groups, that will prove immensely difficult to combat.
On Monday, President Trump pledged to give federal law enforcement authorities “whatever they need” to combat domestic terrorism. The motive for the second attack of the weekend, in Dayton, Ohio, remains unknown. But even before the shootings, which left at least 31 people dead, officials said that preventing attacks from white supremacists and nationalists would require adopting the same type of broad and aggressive approach used to battle international extremism.
“We need to catch them and incarcerate them before they act on their plans,” Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general, said in an email interview. “We need to be proactive by identifying and disrupting potential terrorists before they strike, and we can accomplish that by monitoring terrorist propaganda and communications.”

“The top-down hierarchies of the past have been increasingly supplanted by a more democratized and a geographically dispersed set of erratic do-it-yourselfers,” he said. “Now, so-called lone wolves are turbocharged by a fragmented and hate-filled dark web which has become a modern-day, virtual neo-Nazi boot camp available 24-7 anywhere in the world with an internet connection.”"

While these men often act alone, the F.B.I. says that technology has allowed American terrorists to plug into a global community of terrorists who espouse similarly hateful ideologies. Domestic terrorists are increasingly citing terrorists overseas in their killings. In his manifesto, the suspected El Paso gunman said that he agreed with the gunman who attacked two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. The suspect in New Zealand said in the manifesto he is believed to have written that he had been inspired by Dylann Roof, who murdered nine people at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C.

Mr. Neiwert said people with extremist sympathies were now organizing online and attaching themselves to groups that aren’t as explicit about white supremacist notions.

The conservative magazine National Review published an editorial on Sunday evening calling on Americans and their government to take on “a murderous and resurgent ideology — white supremacy” in much the same way the government has confronted Islamic terrorism.

Being one-sided is not going to start a debate or fix anything therefore you and your ink is the problem

One-sided/ Not really in the picture. Just an article..that I find to be a wake-up call. i had some curiosity as well..as to how many here see that the light at the end of the tunnel...is a train!
This is a blame game..and it is the coming thing....and many Pro-gun activists are seeing the White Supremacist issue as a way to take the heat off of them..it's not a gun problem..it's an extremist problem--a Domestic Terrorist problem....is the refrain.

I'm finding that very few are even willing to respond directly to the article..even to try to debunk it. That, in and of itself, is telling.

Yes you gave a one-side argument which means you don't want a solution.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I see the attention of the LE community slowly turning to smashing the Alt/right extremists who advocate violence---this is the coming thing..all the signs are there--the new flavor of the month for LEA attention is White Nationalists who advocate violence:

Shootings Renew Debate Over How to Combat Domestic Terrorism


"Law enforcement officials have sounded the alarm for months: Homegrown terrorism, including by white supremacists, is now as big a threat as terrorism from abroad. But the mass shooting in El Paso last weekend, the largest domestic terrorist attack against Hispanics in modern history, has made it glaringly clear how poorly prepared the country is to fight it.

The United States spent nearly 20 years intensely focused on threats from Islamic extremists. The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, rerouted the machinery of government to fight against threats of violence from the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan. But those attacks have waned in recent years, replaced by violence from white supremacists — an increasingly internet-driven phenomenon of lone wolves, not groups, that will prove immensely difficult to combat.
On Monday, President Trump pledged to give federal law enforcement authorities “whatever they need” to combat domestic terrorism. The motive for the second attack of the weekend, in Dayton, Ohio, remains unknown. But even before the shootings, which left at least 31 people dead, officials said that preventing attacks from white supremacists and nationalists would require adopting the same type of broad and aggressive approach used to battle international extremism.
“We need to catch them and incarcerate them before they act on their plans,” Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general, said in an email interview. “We need to be proactive by identifying and disrupting potential terrorists before they strike, and we can accomplish that by monitoring terrorist propaganda and communications.”

“The top-down hierarchies of the past have been increasingly supplanted by a more democratized and a geographically dispersed set of erratic do-it-yourselfers,” he said. “Now, so-called lone wolves are turbocharged by a fragmented and hate-filled dark web which has become a modern-day, virtual neo-Nazi boot camp available 24-7 anywhere in the world with an internet connection.”"

While these men often act alone, the F.B.I. says that technology has allowed American terrorists to plug into a global community of terrorists who espouse similarly hateful ideologies. Domestic terrorists are increasingly citing terrorists overseas in their killings. In his manifesto, the suspected El Paso gunman said that he agreed with the gunman who attacked two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. The suspect in New Zealand said in the manifesto he is believed to have written that he had been inspired by Dylann Roof, who murdered nine people at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C.

Mr. Neiwert said people with extremist sympathies were now organizing online and attaching themselves to groups that aren’t as explicit about white supremacist notions.

The conservative magazine National Review published an editorial on Sunday evening calling on Americans and their government to take on “a murderous and resurgent ideology — white supremacy” in much the same way the government has confronted Islamic terrorism.

Being one-sided is not going to start a debate or fix anything therefore you and your ink is the problem

One-sided/ Not really in the picture. Just an article..that I find to be a wake-up call. i had some curiosity as well..as to how many here see that the light at the end of the tunnel...is a train!
This is a blame game..and it is the coming thing....and many Pro-gun activists are seeing the White Supremacist issue as a way to take the heat off of them..it's not a gun problem..it's an extremist problem--a Domestic Terrorist problem....is the refrain.

I'm finding that very few are even willing to respond directly to the article..even to try to debunk it. That, in and of itself, is telling.

Yes you gave a one-side argument which means you don't want a solution.

Damn...like talking to the wall. This IS the solution, how about that/ Simple enough for you? Crushing the Right wing extremists via the same methods we use against Islamic terrorists.
Not my solution..but the one that is coming..you want a two sided-argument...take the other side and present your case.

Personally, I think you got nothing but empty deflections...You have not said one thing about the article itself--are your capable of a cogent opinion?

Did you even read the article..my bet is no.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Oh good lord... what a bunch of stupidity!
No mention of frothing at the mouth media that blast out divisive language every single day, no mention of the race baiters and politicians encouraging attacking people in restaurants etc.
Just look at the 1,000's of videos of people wearing a MAGA hat getting refused service, attacked, ridiculed.
No wonder people are so fucked up right now...

You have a point..no doubt. But..this IS what is going on now..and a majority of the people want this shyte to stop..is it entirely fair? Probably not..but there is a quantitative difference between refusing service or being ridiculed....and killing 22.

My point is that the internet is going to be the battlefield..and they are talking about being proactive..jailing potential actors before they act...and they are talking about using the same means that they use against Islamic terrorists. Besides the obvious irony of that...there is the question of what those who hold such views..will do..when the hunting dogs..are hunting them!

Also note the semantics of the language used.."terrorists"--that is the magic word that erases your rights...allows "aggressive interrogation'--rendition.

Every web site keeps records of every convo...what happens when this site gets the FISA supeana...and they comb all these posts...who ends up in their sights,,Hmmmm?

How many people were shot in Chicago, 40 if I am not mistaken, 7 of which died, but not a peep out of the Lame Stream Media because it doesnt fit the liberal media? Hmmm, more people are dying at the hands of blacks in the US, but as long as it is in the inner cites, the left just doesnt seem to care, but if a White 19 year old Socialist starts blowing people away, then someone must pay for this.

By the way, I thought I heard 7 Mexican Nationals were killed in that store. My Saudi Arabian response to that is...If those Illegals hadn't crossed into the US and stayed in their own country they might be alive today. With illegal actions comes consequences...

***chuckles*** you do make a lot of assumptions..you do not even know if the Mexican nationals were here legally..you do know that thousands cross legally to shop in El Paso, right? i see you are down with the spin about the shooter being a socialist..do you think that dog will hunt?

No matter..and off topic---but...what do you think about the OP? Since you do not mention it at all? Are you ready to be labeled a potential terrorist?

I do know that many people are here in the US abusing our immigration system, this is the only country that doesnt punish those who cross a border. While in Saudi Arabia, if you cross the border illegally your head would be cut off. If you are driving down the road, legally and you get hit by a Saudi, it is 100% your fault, no matter what, because the law over there states "If you weren't there in the first place, the Saudi wouldn't have had the accident". If those Mexicans weren't in the US at the Walmart, they wouldn't of been shot. Actions have consequences..

This is not an immigration thread...are you able to respond to the OP? Do you think that YOU will end up on a FBI watch list? I do.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

'The conservative magazine National Review published an editorial on Sunday evening calling on Americans and their government to take on “a murderous and resurgent ideology — white supremacy” in much the same way the government has confronted Islamic terrorism.'

I see the attention of the LE community slowly turning to smashing the Alt/right extremists who advocate violence---this is the coming thing..all the signs are there--the new flavor of the month for LEA attention is White Nationalists who advocate violence:

Shootings Renew Debate Over How to Combat Domestic Terrorism


"Law enforcement officials have sounded the alarm for months: Homegrown terrorism, including by white supremacists, is now as big a threat as terrorism from abroad. But the mass shooting in El Paso last weekend, the largest domestic terrorist attack against Hispanics in modern history, has made it glaringly clear how poorly prepared the country is to fight it.

The United States spent nearly 20 years intensely focused on threats from Islamic extremists. The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, rerouted the machinery of government to fight against threats of violence from the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan. But those attacks have waned in recent years, replaced by violence from white supremacists — an increasingly internet-driven phenomenon of lone wolves, not groups, that will prove immensely difficult to combat.
On Monday, President Trump pledged to give federal law enforcement authorities “whatever they need” to combat domestic terrorism. The motive for the second attack of the weekend, in Dayton, Ohio, remains unknown. But even before the shootings, which left at least 31 people dead, officials said that preventing attacks from white supremacists and nationalists would require adopting the same type of broad and aggressive approach used to battle international extremism.
“We need to catch them and incarcerate them before they act on their plans,” Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general, said in an email interview. “We need to be proactive by identifying and disrupting potential terrorists before they strike, and we can accomplish that by monitoring terrorist propaganda and communications.”

“The top-down hierarchies of the past have been increasingly supplanted by a more democratized and a geographically dispersed set of erratic do-it-yourselfers,” he said. “Now, so-called lone wolves are turbocharged by a fragmented and hate-filled dark web which has become a modern-day, virtual neo-Nazi boot camp available 24-7 anywhere in the world with an internet connection.”"

While these men often act alone, the F.B.I. says that technology has allowed American terrorists to plug into a global community of terrorists who espouse similarly hateful ideologies. Domestic terrorists are increasingly citing terrorists overseas in their killings. In his manifesto, the suspected El Paso gunman said that he agreed with the gunman who attacked two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. The suspect in New Zealand said in the manifesto he is believed to have written that he had been inspired by Dylann Roof, who murdered nine people at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C.

Mr. Neiwert said people with extremist sympathies were now organizing online and attaching themselves to groups that aren’t as explicit about white supremacist notions.

The conservative magazine National Review published an editorial on Sunday evening calling on Americans and their government to take on “a murderous and resurgent ideology — white supremacy” in much the same way the government has confronted Islamic terrorism.

Most conservatives are not going to denounce white supremacists.

While supremacists have the right to vote, and they overwhelmingly vote Republican.

 

[Godboy]

I see the attention of the LE community slowly turning to smashing the Alt/right extremists who advocate violence---this is the coming thing..all the signs are there--the new flavor of the month for LEA attention is White Nationalists who advocate violence:

Shootings Renew Debate Over How to Combat Domestic Terrorism


"Law enforcement officials have sounded the alarm for months: Homegrown terrorism, including by white supremacists, is now as big a threat as terrorism from abroad. But the mass shooting in El Paso last weekend, the largest domestic terrorist attack against Hispanics in modern history, has made it glaringly clear how poorly prepared the country is to fight it.

The United States spent nearly 20 years intensely focused on threats from Islamic extremists. The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, rerouted the machinery of government to fight against threats of violence from the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan. But those attacks have waned in recent years, replaced by violence from white supremacists — an increasingly internet-driven phenomenon of lone wolves, not groups, that will prove immensely difficult to combat.
On Monday, President Trump pledged to give federal law enforcement authorities “whatever they need” to combat domestic terrorism. The motive for the second attack of the weekend, in Dayton, Ohio, remains unknown. But even before the shootings, which left at least 31 people dead, officials said that preventing attacks from white supremacists and nationalists would require adopting the same type of broad and aggressive approach used to battle international extremism.
“We need to catch them and incarcerate them before they act on their plans,” Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general, said in an email interview. “We need to be proactive by identifying and disrupting potential terrorists before they strike, and we can accomplish that by monitoring terrorist propaganda and communications.”

“The top-down hierarchies of the past have been increasingly supplanted by a more democratized and a geographically dispersed set of erratic do-it-yourselfers,” he said. “Now, so-called lone wolves are turbocharged by a fragmented and hate-filled dark web which has become a modern-day, virtual neo-Nazi boot camp available 24-7 anywhere in the world with an internet connection.”"

While these men often act alone, the F.B.I. says that technology has allowed American terrorists to plug into a global community of terrorists who espouse similarly hateful ideologies. Domestic terrorists are increasingly citing terrorists overseas in their killings. In his manifesto, the suspected El Paso gunman said that he agreed with the gunman who attacked two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. The suspect in New Zealand said in the manifesto he is believed to have written that he had been inspired by Dylann Roof, who murdered nine people at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C.

Mr. Neiwert said people with extremist sympathies were now organizing online and attaching themselves to groups that aren’t as explicit about white supremacist notions.

The conservative magazine National Review published an editorial on Sunday evening calling on Americans and their government to take on “a murderous and resurgent ideology — white supremacy” in much the same way the government has confronted Islamic terrorism.

Wait, we are calling murderers "terrorists" now? WTF?!

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I see the attention of the LE community slowly turning to smashing the Alt/right extremists who advocate violence---this is the coming thing..all the signs are there--the new flavor of the month for LEA attention is White Nationalists who advocate violence:

Shootings Renew Debate Over How to Combat Domestic Terrorism


"Law enforcement officials have sounded the alarm for months: Homegrown terrorism, including by white supremacists, is now as big a threat as terrorism from abroad. But the mass shooting in El Paso last weekend, the largest domestic terrorist attack against Hispanics in modern history, has made it glaringly clear how poorly prepared the country is to fight it.

The United States spent nearly 20 years intensely focused on threats from Islamic extremists. The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, rerouted the machinery of government to fight against threats of violence from the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan. But those attacks have waned in recent years, replaced by violence from white supremacists — an increasingly internet-driven phenomenon of lone wolves, not groups, that will prove immensely difficult to combat.
On Monday, President Trump pledged to give federal law enforcement authorities “whatever they need” to combat domestic terrorism. The motive for the second attack of the weekend, in Dayton, Ohio, remains unknown. But even before the shootings, which left at least 31 people dead, officials said that preventing attacks from white supremacists and nationalists would require adopting the same type of broad and aggressive approach used to battle international extremism.
“We need to catch them and incarcerate them before they act on their plans,” Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general, said in an email interview. “We need to be proactive by identifying and disrupting potential terrorists before they strike, and we can accomplish that by monitoring terrorist propaganda and communications.”

“The top-down hierarchies of the past have been increasingly supplanted by a more democratized and a geographically dispersed set of erratic do-it-yourselfers,” he said. “Now, so-called lone wolves are turbocharged by a fragmented and hate-filled dark web which has become a modern-day, virtual neo-Nazi boot camp available 24-7 anywhere in the world with an internet connection.”"

While these men often act alone, the F.B.I. says that technology has allowed American terrorists to plug into a global community of terrorists who espouse similarly hateful ideologies. Domestic terrorists are increasingly citing terrorists overseas in their killings. In his manifesto, the suspected El Paso gunman said that he agreed with the gunman who attacked two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. The suspect in New Zealand said in the manifesto he is believed to have written that he had been inspired by Dylann Roof, who murdered nine people at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C.

Mr. Neiwert said people with extremist sympathies were now organizing online and attaching themselves to groups that aren’t as explicit about white supremacist notions.

The conservative magazine National Review published an editorial on Sunday evening calling on Americans and their government to take on “a murderous and resurgent ideology — white supremacy” in much the same way the government has confronted Islamic terrorism.

Wait, we are calling murderers "terrorists" now? WTF?!

Ahhhh..one guy gets it. Yes, that is what is happening...If the govt. thinks there is a White nationalist tie-in..which to them is synonymous with White supremacist....they are calling them terrorists..and planning to use the same tools that they use against Islamic Terror. Note the one quote:

“We need to catch them and incarcerate them before they act on their plans,” Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general, said in an email interview. “We need to be proactive by identifying and disrupting potential terrorists before they strike, and we can accomplish that by monitoring terrorist propaganda and communications.”

Jail them before they act.....

"Terrorist propaganda and communications.." That...could well be defined as this site.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Any opinion that could be perceived as critical to the government could be seen as "terrorism" according to
some definitions.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Any opinion that could be perceived as critical to the government could be seen as "terrorism" according to
some definitions.

I suppose...but in general...opinions that advocate violence..usually coupled with an ideology of some sort--are what we are talking about here.

 

[aaronleland]

You can only imagine the stuff Timothy McVeigh would be tweeting or facebooking while parking a Ryder truck in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.

@therealterrynichols Having a blast in OKC LOL GTG BBL Will be posting a pic of my lunch soon
#GOVTPIGS #OKC #WINKWINK

 

[beautress]

I have a solution for minor bad stuff:

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[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

I see the attention of the LE community slowly turning to smashing the Alt/right extremists who advocate violence---this is the coming thing..all the signs are there--the new flavor of the month for LEA attention is White Nationalists who advocate violence:

Shootings Renew Debate Over How to Combat Domestic Terrorism


"Law enforcement officials have sounded the alarm for months: Homegrown terrorism, including by white supremacists, is now as big a threat as terrorism from abroad. But the mass shooting in El Paso last weekend, the largest domestic terrorist attack against Hispanics in modern history, has made it glaringly clear how poorly prepared the country is to fight it.

The United States spent nearly 20 years intensely focused on threats from Islamic extremists. The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, rerouted the machinery of government to fight against threats of violence from the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan. But those attacks have waned in recent years, replaced by violence from white supremacists — an increasingly internet-driven phenomenon of lone wolves, not groups, that will prove immensely difficult to combat.
On Monday, President Trump pledged to give federal law enforcement authorities “whatever they need” to combat domestic terrorism. The motive for the second attack of the weekend, in Dayton, Ohio, remains unknown. But even before the shootings, which left at least 31 people dead, officials said that preventing attacks from white supremacists and nationalists would require adopting the same type of broad and aggressive approach used to battle international extremism.
“We need to catch them and incarcerate them before they act on their plans,” Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general, said in an email interview. “We need to be proactive by identifying and disrupting potential terrorists before they strike, and we can accomplish that by monitoring terrorist propaganda and communications.”

“The top-down hierarchies of the past have been increasingly supplanted by a more democratized and a geographically dispersed set of erratic do-it-yourselfers,” he said. “Now, so-called lone wolves are turbocharged by a fragmented and hate-filled dark web which has become a modern-day, virtual neo-Nazi boot camp available 24-7 anywhere in the world with an internet connection.”"

While these men often act alone, the F.B.I. says that technology has allowed American terrorists to plug into a global community of terrorists who espouse similarly hateful ideologies. Domestic terrorists are increasingly citing terrorists overseas in their killings. In his manifesto, the suspected El Paso gunman said that he agreed with the gunman who attacked two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. The suspect in New Zealand said in the manifesto he is believed to have written that he had been inspired by Dylann Roof, who murdered nine people at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C.

Mr. Neiwert said people with extremist sympathies were now organizing online and attaching themselves to groups that aren’t as explicit about white supremacist notions.

The conservative magazine National Review published an editorial on Sunday evening calling on Americans and their government to take on “a murderous and resurgent ideology — white supremacy” in much the same way the government has confronted Islamic terrorism.

Murderers including racist mass shooters are criminals and the Democratic Party demands that convicted felons be allowed to vote, because they know that criminals vote Democrat.
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Uh...OK..nice trollish post....but anything cogent to say about the lists you might be on? This is not a thread ab out felons voting either? LOL..do yo EVER post on topic..and without a meme?

That one is a partisan crop duster.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Every web site keeps records of every convo...what happens when this site gets the FISA supeana...and they comb all these posts...who ends up in their sights,,Hmmmm?

You can only imagine the stuff Timothy McVeigh would be tweeting or facebooking while parking a Ryder truck in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. Of course, social media wasn't even around until 2004. Thus, it goes to show you...we would be screaming about Timothy's "manifesto" and how why the Federal government didn't do a Universal background check on him years before.

My point?

No matter what....these folks are going to get guns - whether they care about the background checks or not. Because they don't.

A bit off topic..but sure..these folks will get guns..if the Feds don't gun them down first. We are rapidly hurtling past background checks or gun control on this issue.
Imagine, if you will, the Federal govt. applying the same tactics they have used against Islamic terrorism...against the extreme Right. Imagine dozens of FBI agents undercover..fomenting plots...just to arrest any who fall into their traps. Imagine ten of thousands on secret watch lists.... Because their internet posts popped a red flag.

That is the territory we are entering.

Entering? I'd say we've been living there at least 10 years.

 

[lennypartiv]

There's no such thing as domestic terrorism.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Oh good lord... what a bunch of stupidity!
No mention of frothing at the mouth media that blast out divisive language every single day, no mention of the race baiters and politicians encouraging attacking people in restaurants etc.
Just look at the 1,000's of videos of people wearing a MAGA hat getting refused service, attacked, ridiculed.
No wonder people are so fucked up right now...

You have a point..no doubt. But..this IS what is going on now..and a majority of the people want this shyte to stop..is it entirely fair? Probably not..but there is a quantitative difference between refusing service or being ridiculed....and killing 22.

My point is that the internet is going to be the battlefield..and they are talking about being proactive..jailing potential actors before they act...and they are talking about using the same means that they use against Islamic terrorists. Besides the obvious irony of that...there is the question of what those who hold such views..will do..when the hunting dogs..are hunting them!

Also note the semantics of the language used.."terrorists"--that is the magic word that erases your rights...allows "aggressive interrogation'--rendition.

Every web site keeps records of every convo...what happens when this site gets the FISA supeana...and they comb all these posts...who ends up in their sights,,Hmmmm?

How many people were shot in Chicago, 40 if I am not mistaken, 7 of which died, but not a peep out of the Lame Stream Media because it doesnt fit the liberal media? Hmmm, more people are dying at the hands of blacks in the US, but as long as it is in the inner cites, the left just doesnt seem to care, but if a White 19 year old Socialist starts blowing people away, then someone must pay for this.

By the way, I thought I heard 7 Mexican Nationals were killed in that store. My Saudi Arabian response to that is...If those Illegals hadn't crossed into the US and stayed in their own country they might be alive today. With illegal actions comes consequences...

So in other words everyone should stay in their own country. Is that what you are saying?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Oh good lord... what a bunch of stupidity!
No mention of frothing at the mouth media that blast out divisive language every single day, no mention of the race baiters and politicians encouraging attacking people in restaurants etc.
Just look at the 1,000's of videos of people wearing a MAGA hat getting refused service, attacked, ridiculed.
No wonder people are so fucked up right now...

You have a point..no doubt. But..this IS what is going on now..and a majority of the people want this shyte to stop..is it entirely fair? Probably not..but there is a quantitative difference between refusing service or being ridiculed....and killing 22.

My point is that the internet is going to be the battlefield..and they are talking about being proactive..jailing potential actors before they act...and they are talking about using the same means that they use against Islamic terrorists. Besides the obvious irony of that...there is the question of what those who hold such views..will do..when the hunting dogs..are hunting them!

Also note the semantics of the language used.."terrorists"--that is the magic word that erases your rights...allows "aggressive interrogation'--rendition.

Every web site keeps records of every convo...what happens when this site gets the FISA supeana...and they comb all these posts...who ends up in their sights,,Hmmmm?

How many people were shot in Chicago, 40 if I am not mistaken, 7 of which died, but not a peep out of the Lame Stream Media because it doesnt fit the liberal media? Hmmm, more people are dying at the hands of blacks in the US, but as long as it is in the inner cites, the left just doesnt seem to care, but if a White 19 year old Socialist starts blowing people away, then someone must pay for this.

By the way, I thought I heard 7 Mexican Nationals were killed in that store. My Saudi Arabian response to that is...If those Illegals hadn't crossed into the US and stayed in their own country they might be alive today. With illegal actions comes consequences...

So in other words everyone should stay in their own country. Is that what you are saying?

No that is not what he was saying, you should work for the media...
He said they shouldn't be here illegally.
If they want to claim asylum - go to a port of entry.
Otherwise stay out.
It sucks that people are born in countries with little/no opportunities... but if they all came here...guess what we would have? A country with little to no opportunities that is grossly overpopulated.