Shooter said to have changed magazines 5 times?

[2aguy]

This isn't confirmed other than a family member of one of the survivors stating it.....any thoughts? It looks like the weapon in question was a .45 Clock 21.....if he was shooting fast and didn't have good control would he have been creating failures to feed properly....and creating moments where an armed citizen could have stopped him?

We are told by some anti gun extremists that limiting magazine capacity would save lives....it didn't here and if it is true he changed magazines several times. The anti gun extremists say that they could have rushed him or fled...did not happen here.

We will have to wait for more details....but from a concealed carry perspective.....what do you think?

 

[cnm]

Nah, probably not.

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About 15 minutes before the end of mass at the Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament an unidentified man stood up from kneeling when his gun snagged on his pants and a gunshot rang out through the church. ​

 

[WinterBorn]

When they said he had a .45, I immediately pictured a 1911 style pistol. The single stack models hold either 7 or 8 rounds. I figured he fired 30 or 35 rounds.

 

[Auld Phart]

When they said he had a .45, I immediately pictured a 1911 style pistol. The single stack models hold either 7 or 8 rounds. I figured he fired 30 or 35 rounds.

.45 Glock is what I read.

 

[BlackFlag]

We are told by some anti gun extremists that limiting magazine capacity would save lives....it didn't here and if it is true he changed magazines several times. The anti gun extremists say that they could have rushed him or fled...did not happen here.

We are also told by some pro gun extremists that fully automatic weapons are safer than semi-automatic ones.

 

[Auld Phart]

When they said he had a .45, I immediately pictured a 1911 style pistol. The single stack models hold either 7 or 8 rounds. I figured he fired 30 or 35 rounds.

.45 Glock is what I read.

Glock makes 4 .45 pistols.
21 has 13 rds
21SF has 13 rds
30 has 10 rds
36 has 6 rds

(Google)

 

[WinterBorn]

We are told by some anti gun extremists that limiting magazine capacity would save lives....it didn't here and if it is true he changed magazines several times. The anti gun extremists say that they could have rushed him or fled...did not happen here.

We are also told by some pro gun extremists that fully automatic weapons are safer than semi-automatic ones.

I have not seen anyone say a fully automatic weapon is safer than a semi-auto.

 

[BlackFlag]

We are told by some anti gun extremists that limiting magazine capacity would save lives....it didn't here and if it is true he changed magazines several times. The anti gun extremists say that they could have rushed him or fled...did not happen here.

We are also told by some pro gun extremists that fully automatic weapons are safer than semi-automatic ones.

I have not seen anyone say a fully automatic weapon is safer than a semi-auto.

2Aguy told me that yesterday. And pretty vehemently too. I was wondering if he'd stand by it.

 

[Mr. H.]

I ignore "no guns" signs on business. It's concealed. As for church... I just don't go.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This isn't confirmed other than a family member of one of the survivors stating it.....any thoughts? It looks like the weapon in question was a .45 Clock 21.....if he was shooting fast and didn't have good control would he have been creating failures to feed properly....and creating moments where an armed citizen could have stopped him?

We are told by some anti gun extremists that limiting magazine capacity would save lives....it didn't here and if it is true he changed magazines several times. The anti gun extremists say that they could have rushed him or fled...did not happen here.

We will have to wait for more details....but from a concealed carry perspective.....what do you think?

Until more information is provided, all this is pointless speculation.

As a fact of law, however, there is no evidence whatsoever that limiting magazine capacity in any manner inhibits the ability of one to defend himself with a semi-automatic handgun:

“No evidence presented here suggests that the general ability of a person to defend him or herself is seriously diminished if magazines are limited to 15 rounds. Despite more than 40 years instructing individuals and law enforcement in defensive firearm use, the Plaintiffs’ expert witness, Massad Ayoob, identified only three anecdotal instances in which individuals engaging in defensive use of firearms fired more than 15 rounds, and not all of these successful defensive actions involved semiautomatic weapons.23 Of the many law enforcement officials called to testify, none were able to identify a single instance in which they were involved where a single civilian fired more than 15 shots in self-defense.”

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/2014_0401_coloradogunssuit.pdf

Not only does limiting magazine capacity have nothing to do with “anti gun extremists,” it also comports with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

 

[cnm]

2Aguy told me that yesterday. And pretty vehemently too. I was wondering if he'd stand by it.

Just as a matter of curiosity, is your location adjacent to 'taken all aback'?

 

[BlackFlag]

2Aguy told me that yesterday. And pretty vehemently too. I was wondering if he'd stand by it.

Just as a matter of curiosity, is your location adjacent to 'taken all aback'?

It's closer to "uproriously laughing my ass off!"

 

[2aguy]

We are told by some anti gun extremists that limiting magazine capacity would save lives....it didn't here and if it is true he changed magazines several times. The anti gun extremists say that they could have rushed him or fled...did not happen here.

We are also told by some pro gun extremists that fully automatic weapons are safer than semi-automatic ones.

No, we say they are more prone to malfunction, compared to semi auto rifles, especially with an moron operating it. and again...had someone had a gun of their own..........could have saved lives....

 

[2aguy]

This isn't confirmed other than a family member of one of the survivors stating it.....any thoughts? It looks like the weapon in question was a .45 Clock 21.....if he was shooting fast and didn't have good control would he have been creating failures to feed properly....and creating moments where an armed citizen could have stopped him?

We are told by some anti gun extremists that limiting magazine capacity would save lives....it didn't here and if it is true he changed magazines several times. The anti gun extremists say that they could have rushed him or fled...did not happen here.

We will have to wait for more details....but from a concealed carry perspective.....what do you think?

Until more information is provided, all this is pointless speculation.

As a fact of law, however, there is no evidence whatsoever that limiting magazine capacity in any manner inhibits the ability of one to defend himself with a semi-automatic handgun:

“No evidence presented here suggests that the general ability of a person to defend him or herself is seriously diminished if magazines are limited to 15 rounds. Despite more than 40 years instructing individuals and law enforcement in defensive firearm use, the Plaintiffs’ expert witness, Massad Ayoob, identified only three anecdotal instances in which individuals engaging in defensive use of firearms fired more than 15 rounds, and not all of these successful defensive actions involved semiautomatic weapons.23 Of the many law enforcement officials called to testify, none were able to identify a single instance in which they were involved where a single civilian fired more than 15 shots in self-defense.”

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/2014_0401_coloradogunssuit.pdf

Not only does limiting magazine capacity have nothing to do with “anti gun extremists,” it also comports with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

except the part where all the anti gun extremists push magqzine limits and where the anti gun extremists have passed magazine limit laws like in Califoornia, Colorado and Baltimore.......

 

[cnm]

and again...had someone had a gun of their own..........could have saved lives....

Would he or she have been able to drop it and shoot them-self in time though?

 

[2aguy]

and again...had someone had a gun of their own..........could have saved lives....

Would he or she have been able to drop it and shoot them-self in time though?

Please clarify....

 

[jon_berzerk]

the number of times the pistol was fired indicated he changed mags several times

he had all the time in the world to do so

 

[jon_berzerk]

We are told by some anti gun extremists that limiting magazine capacity would save lives....it didn't here and if it is true he changed magazines several times. The anti gun extremists say that they could have rushed him or fled...did not happen here.

We are also told by some pro gun extremists that fully automatic weapons are safer than semi-automatic ones.

what --LOL

a firearm is only "as safe" as one chooses to be with it

firearms do not have a mind of their own to be safe or not

 

[cnm]

Please clarify....

Man Shoots Himself At Easter Church Service, Tries To Hide Gun On Way Out

Man Shoots Himself ​

 

[Missourian]

I posted this in a different thread...it's Suzanna Hupp describing the Texas Luby's shooting in Killeen, TX...with attention on the shooters actions.