She Simply Can't Put Him Away

[SmokeALib]

"We can't trust American people to make those types of choices...government has to make those choices for people."
Hillary Clinton to Dennis Hastert regarding Americans selecting their own health insurance policies.

 

[NightFox]

You understand that universal healthcare costs france, britain, germany, etc under half of what it does to fund it privately, right?

We spend 17% of GDP on healthcare. All the countries in western Europe spend less than 10% fo GDP and get the same outcomes.

Universal healthcare will not bankrupt anyone, it will just piss rural Americans off because their hospitals will close. The healthcare industry would be cut in half, lol

An Analysis of Senator Bernie Sanders's Tax and Transfer Proposals

"TPC finds the new government benefits would more than offset new taxes for 95% of households but the combined tax and transfer plan would increase federal budget deficits by more than $18 trillion over the next decade."

"If unfunded, the deficit increase would raise interest payments on the national debt by over $3 trillion over the next ten years. The dramatic increase in government borrowing would crowd out private investment, raise interest rates, further increase government borrowing costs,and retard economic growth. In combination with the dramatically higher tax rates, which would reduce incentives to work, save, and invest, the negative macroeconomic effects of the plan could be severe."


"Life is just a fantasy
Can you live this fantasy life?" -- Aldo Nova, Fantasy

 

[Juicin]

You understand that universal healthcare costs france, britain, germany, etc under half of what it does to fund it privately, right?

We spend 17% of GDP on healthcare. All the countries in western Europe spend less than 10% fo GDP and get the same outcomes.

Universal healthcare will not bankrupt anyone, it will just piss rural Americans off because their hospitals will close. The healthcare industry would be cut in half, lol

An Analysis of Senator Bernie Sanders's Tax and Transfer Proposals

"TPC finds the new government benefits would more than offset new taxes for 95% of households but the combined tax and transfer plan would increase federal budget deficits by more than $18 trillion over the next decade."

"If unfunded, the deficit increase would raise interest payments on the national debt by over $3 trillion over the next ten years. The dramatic increase in government borrowing would crowd out private investment, raise interest rates, further increase government borrowing costs,and retard economic growth. In combination with the dramatically higher tax rates, which would reduce incentives to work, save, and invest, the negative macroeconomic effects of the plan could be severe."


"Life is just a fantasy
Can you live this fantasy life?" -- Aldo Nova, Fantasy

Tax isn't GDP herp derp

lol

you'll cut GDP percentage spent on healthcare in half (in a private system)

"BUT TAXES WILL GO UP IF YOU HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!! "

...Jesus fucking christ

 

[NightFox]

You understand that universal healthcare costs france, britain, germany, etc under half of what it does to fund it privately, right?

We spend 17% of GDP on healthcare. All the countries in western Europe spend less than 10% fo GDP and get the same outcomes.

Universal healthcare will not bankrupt anyone, it will just piss rural Americans off because their hospitals will close. The healthcare industry would be cut in half, lol

An Analysis of Senator Bernie Sanders's Tax and Transfer Proposals

"TPC finds the new government benefits would more than offset new taxes for 95% of households but the combined tax and transfer plan would increase federal budget deficits by more than $18 trillion over the next decade."

"If unfunded, the deficit increase would raise interest payments on the national debt by over $3 trillion over the next ten years. The dramatic increase in government borrowing would crowd out private investment, raise interest rates, further increase government borrowing costs,and retard economic growth. In combination with the dramatically higher tax rates, which would reduce incentives to work, save, and invest, the negative macroeconomic effects of the plan could be severe."


"Life is just a fantasy
Can you live this fantasy life?" -- Aldo Nova, Fantasy

Tax isn't GDP herp derp

lol

you'll cut GDP percentage spent on healthcare in half (in a private system)

"BUT TAXES WILL GO UP IF YOU HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!! "

...Jesus fucking christ

Apparently somebody tore out the chapter on the effects of excessive government debt and debt service costs in your copy of Economics for Complete Fucking Morons, perhaps you should ask those nice folks over in Greece if you can borrow their copy.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

If anything, it's ample proof that Bernie Sanders' positions aren't as far out of the mainstream as you RWnuts would have us believe.

And as usual - you're wrong again.
Conservatives see Hillary for what she is - an elitist and a corporatist. Corporatism is the greatest destroyer of the American way of life - ever. And we know that Hillary will keep right on with the greatest trickle down economic policies America has ever seen by Obama. But worse.
I am a staunch conservative when it comes to economic policies. And I would rather have Bernie in the White house than Hillary. He will never pass the crazy stuff - no way no how. But at least he won't continue the corporate/elite takeover of America.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If anything, it's ample proof that Bernie Sanders' positions aren't as far out of the mainstream as you RWnuts would have us believe.

And as usual - you're wrong again.
Conservatives see Hillary for what she is - an elitist and a corporatist. Corporatism is the greatest destroyer of the American way of life - ever. And we know that Hillary will keep right on with the greatest trickle down economic policies America has ever seen by Obama. But worse.
I am a staunch conservative when it comes to economic policies. And I would rather have Bernie in the White house than Hillary. He will never pass the crazy stuff - no way no how. But at least he won't continue the corporate/elite takeover of America.

lol you called me wrong and then agreed with me.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[

lol you think Americans after a term of Bernie are going to elect Paul fucking Ryan

No way Ryan would get elected after ole Bernie, since after a term of President Bernie there wouldn't be anybody crazy enough to loan us the money to actually conduct an election.

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." -- Margaret Thatcher

Margaret Thatcher was a brain dead housewife and led a pissant nation.

Paul Ryan has a worse education than you probably.

These are the people you look to for your macro economic policy?

Ever heard of the Fed? We loan trillions upon trillions out with no effect on inflation. The debt doesn't matter.

Edit - Milton Friedman supported universal income

Uh-Huh.... somewhere in American there's a matchbook missing a back cover.

President Bernie's first State of the Union Address

"My fellow Americans I have some good news and I have some bad news"

"The good news is, we've passed my Single Payer Healthcare program and all your healthcare will now be FREE, we've also passed my comprehensive Education Program and all your post High School education will now be FREE!"

"The bad news is; we no longer have an economy so all your meals will now be FREE as well."

There are prosperous countries all over the world with universal healthcare and post-HS education much less costly than it is in the US.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

If anything, it's ample proof that Bernie Sanders' positions aren't as far out of the mainstream as you RWnuts would have us believe.

And as usual - you're wrong again.
Conservatives see Hillary for what she is - an elitist and a corporatist. Corporatism is the greatest destroyer of the American way of life - ever. And we know that Hillary will keep right on with the greatest trickle down economic policies America has ever seen by Obama. But worse.
I am a staunch conservative when it comes to economic policies. And I would rather have Bernie in the White house than Hillary. He will never pass the crazy stuff - no way no how. But at least he won't continue the corporate/elite takeover of America.

lol you called me wrong and then agreed with me.

uh...no.
Your post says that R'Wingers have been saying Bernies positions are out of mainstream...I am saying...that at least the man is not a Corporatist like Hillary...which matters more than anything else right now/
His fringe policies he would never get enacted, not even close. But at least he will not allow the White House to continue to come closer and closer to the corruption of the House and Senate.

 

[Juicin]

You understand that universal healthcare costs france, britain, germany, etc under half of what it does to fund it privately, right?

We spend 17% of GDP on healthcare. All the countries in western Europe spend less than 10% fo GDP and get the same outcomes.

Universal healthcare will not bankrupt anyone, it will just piss rural Americans off because their hospitals will close. The healthcare industry would be cut in half, lol

An Analysis of Senator Bernie Sanders's Tax and Transfer Proposals

"TPC finds the new government benefits would more than offset new taxes for 95% of households but the combined tax and transfer plan would increase federal budget deficits by more than $18 trillion over the next decade."

"If unfunded, the deficit increase would raise interest payments on the national debt by over $3 trillion over the next ten years. The dramatic increase in government borrowing would crowd out private investment, raise interest rates, further increase government borrowing costs,and retard economic growth. In combination with the dramatically higher tax rates, which would reduce incentives to work, save, and invest, the negative macroeconomic effects of the plan could be severe."


"Life is just a fantasy
Can you live this fantasy life?" -- Aldo Nova, Fantasy

Tax isn't GDP herp derp

lol

you'll cut GDP percentage spent on healthcare in half (in a private system)

"BUT TAXES WILL GO UP IF YOU HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!! "

...Jesus fucking christ

Apparently somebody tore out the chapter on the effects of excessive government debt and debt service costs in your copy of Economics for Complete Fucking Morons, perhaps you should ask those nice folks over in Greece if you can borrow their copy.

We spend 17% of GDP on healthcare. That's about 3 trillion dollars this year

We could cut it down to 1.5 trillion

There is no math where that's a loss. There is nothing inherently that would decrease GDP if we nationalized the whole economy at this moment and everything was 100% taxed.

You're slow

Americans would have 9,000* extra dollars in their pocket to tax, and only half of that would need to go to healthcare

 

[NYcarbineer]

If anything, it's ample proof that Bernie Sanders' positions aren't as far out of the mainstream as you RWnuts would have us believe.

And as usual - you're wrong again.
Conservatives see Hillary for what she is - an elitist and a corporatist. Corporatism is the greatest destroyer of the American way of life - ever. And we know that Hillary will keep right on with the greatest trickle down economic policies America has ever seen by Obama. But worse.
I am a staunch conservative when it comes to economic policies. And I would rather have Bernie in the White house than Hillary. He will never pass the crazy stuff - no way no how. But at least he won't continue the corporate/elite takeover of America.

lol you called me wrong and then agreed with me.

uh...no.
Your post says that R'Wingers have been saying Bernies positions are out of mainstream...I am saying...that at least the man is not a Corporatist like Hillary...which matters more than anything else right now/
His fringe policies he would never get enacted, not even close. But at least he will not allow the White House to continue to come closer and closer to the corruption of the House and Senate.

You know that single payer healthcare gets majority/plurality support in almost all polls, right?

 

[ptbw forever]

She's got two closed primaries coming up. Kentucky and Ore. I think she can lose Ore and still claim the dem mantle, but if she loses both......

The only closed primary that Bernie's won was democrats abroad.

I don't think she will win here(Kentucky)either. We are more like Indiana and West Virginia than Ohio.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

If anything, it's ample proof that Bernie Sanders' positions aren't as far out of the mainstream as you RWnuts would have us believe.

And as usual - you're wrong again.
Conservatives see Hillary for what she is - an elitist and a corporatist. Corporatism is the greatest destroyer of the American way of life - ever. And we know that Hillary will keep right on with the greatest trickle down economic policies America has ever seen by Obama. But worse.
I am a staunch conservative when it comes to economic policies. And I would rather have Bernie in the White house than Hillary. He will never pass the crazy stuff - no way no how. But at least he won't continue the corporate/elite takeover of America.

lol you called me wrong and then agreed with me.

uh...no.
Your post says that R'Wingers have been saying Bernies positions are out of mainstream...I am saying...that at least the man is not a Corporatist like Hillary...which matters more than anything else right now/
His fringe policies he would never get enacted, not even close. But at least he will not allow the White House to continue to come closer and closer to the corruption of the House and Senate.

You know that single payer healthcare gets majority/plurality support in almost all polls, right?

Which has nothing to do with Hillary being a Corporatist.
And not his fringe beliefs I speak of.

 

[ptbw forever]

all democratic primaries are proportional, pledged delegates are split proportionally to the citizen's vote, there are no winner takes all....

She's a couple of million votes ahead of Sanders with the citizen's vote, and it would be very very hard or impossible for Bernie to win the more of the citizen's vote or pledged delegates than Hillary.

When Bernie goes in to the primary with less pledged delegates than Hillary and tries to woo the super delegates to his side EVEN THOUGH MOST of all citizens that voted, voted for Hillary....

THEN Bernie would be doing what the RNC and Cruz, and Kasich were doing in trying to STEAL the vote of the people, away from them...

steal the RNC primary away from Trump...when Trump was getting the plurality of votes from the citizens voting in the primary.

Bernie will be forever known as a scuzzball, scumbag IF he truly tries for this.... just like the RNC were scumbags for trying to do this to Mr. Trump.

It's too bad most democratic primaries aren't open or people might give a shit she got more votes

He wins all the polling and he had no support from the DNC

He's the stronger candidate

And with super delegates he can win, and every day it becomes more likely not less (barring a loss in Cali)

I think Democratic Primaries should all be closed primaries,

having them as opened primaries allows for shenanigans from the opposite side of the aisle.... it's called PARTY RAIDING, Rush L. had a plan of party raiding in a past election called Operation Chaos....

That was in 2008.

 

[Flopper]

Shes facing a 75 year old socialist inside the democrat party and simply cannot finish him. She simply cannot muster enough democrat votes to beat an "outsider" in her own party. What WAS a weeks long beating has now become a MONTHS long beating.

Will she get the nomination? That's the part where it gets a little tricky. You see a Democrat "super delegate" is NOT required to vote for her on the first ballot. When the gavel comes down at the very opening of the convention the super delegates are released.

Bernie expects a floor fight and has every reason to call for one after MONTHS of Clinton defeats. And those "guaranteed" states democrats keep running their yap about? You know the ones they have PRE-counted as hers? Well there is a problem there. Ohio Trump is ahead by a few points and West Virginia? SUN BURN red.

Seems some idiot got behind a podium and PROMISED to put ALL the coal miners out of work. That hands down was dumber than anything ever said by Biden/Quayle or Obama has ever said. And well most of our local democrats here are well stuck on stupid. The DNC wants a winner NOT a woman.

The Clinton team will no doubt start some riots OUTSIDE the RNC convention but I feel it will be nothing compared to the riots INSIDE the DNC convention.
I myself plan on watching because IF Sanders wins I will be watching the death of the Democrat National Party and the birth of the Socialist Democrat Party.

Fury

The Clinton's problem in finishing off Sanders is similar to the problem Trump's adversaries faced. Both Clinton and the Trump adversaries both faced a large segment of the population that are discussed with their party's performance. Trump supporters want to see their party move further to the right and Sander's support want to see their party go further to Left. I think this foretells of even more polarization and political stagnation in Washington.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

[

lol you think Americans after a term of Bernie are going to elect Paul fucking Ryan

No way Ryan would get elected after ole Bernie, since after a term of President Bernie there wouldn't be anybody crazy enough to loan us the money to actually conduct an election.

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." -- Margaret Thatcher

Margaret Thatcher was a brain dead housewife and led a pissant nation.

Paul Ryan has a worse education than you probably.

These are the people you look to for your macro economic policy?

Ever heard of the Fed? We loan trillions upon trillions out with no effect on inflation. The debt doesn't matter.

Edit - Milton Friedman supported universal income

Uh-Huh.... somewhere in American there's a matchbook missing a back cover.

President Bernie's first State of the Union Address

"My fellow Americans I have some good news and I have some bad news"

"The good news is, we've passed my Single Payer Healthcare program and all your healthcare will now be FREE, we've also passed my comprehensive Education Program and all your post High School education will now be FREE!"

"The bad news is; we no longer have an economy so all your meals will now be FREE as well."

There are prosperous countries all over the world with universal healthcare and post-HS education much less costly than it is in the US.

On the subject of post HS education costs. you DO understand that student loans and Pel Grants have led DIRECTLY to the rise in costs right? That's a basic economic principle. As demand for a product rises, so to does the cost of that product.

You want to lower the cost of college, stop with this bullshit "everyone deserves to go to college" and make people earn their own way in. Colleges will then have to fight for students meaning lowering the cost of tuition.

Duh

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Shes facing a 75 year old socialist inside the democrat party and simply cannot finish him. She simply cannot muster enough democrat votes to beat an "outsider" in her own party. What WAS a weeks long beating has now become a MONTHS long beating.

Will she get the nomination? That's the part where it gets a little tricky. You see a Democrat "super delegate" is NOT required to vote for her on the first ballot. When the gavel comes down at the very opening of the convention the super delegates are released.

Bernie expects a floor fight and has every reason to call for one after MONTHS of Clinton defeats. And those "guaranteed" states democrats keep running their yap about? You know the ones they have PRE-counted as hers? Well there is a problem there. Ohio Trump is ahead by a few points and West Virginia? SUN BURN red.

Seems some idiot got behind a podium and PROMISED to put ALL the coal miners out of work. That hands down was dumber than anything ever said by Biden/Quayle or Obama has ever said. And well most of our local democrats here are well stuck on stupid. The DNC wants a winner NOT a woman.

The Clinton team will no doubt start some riots OUTSIDE the RNC convention but I feel it will be nothing compared to the riots INSIDE the DNC convention.
I myself plan on watching because IF Sanders wins I will be watching the death of the Democrat National Party and the birth of the Socialist Democrat Party.

Fury

The Clinton's problem in finishing off Sanders is similar to the problem Trump's adversaries faced. Both Clinton and the Trump adversaries both faced a large segment of the population that are discussed with their party's performance. Trump supporters want to see their party move further to the right and Sander's support want to see their party go further to Left. I think this foretells of even more polarization and political stagnation in Washington.

You are completely wrong about Trump supporters. They don't want the party to move right, if anything they are sick of the traditional right wing bullshit on things like abortion and gay marriage getting in the way of real issues being solved.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Hillary Clinton is the Democratic Party's biggest mistake since John Kerry.

Only the Republican's even bigger mistake will probably save her and the party.

I don't think it will, and yes I actually agree they are both mistakes, but I think Hillary's past is going to end up costing her.

Actually, I believe the DoJ receives a recommendation to indict and Joe Biden ends up being the nominee, but that's another thread LOL

 

[Siete]

demand is far greater today than it was 30 years ago.

Now you need a degree to get a job at basically any entry level.

everyone needs one = price increase

 

[Flopper]

Shes facing a 75 year old socialist inside the democrat party and simply cannot finish him. She simply cannot muster enough democrat votes to beat an "outsider" in her own party. What WAS a weeks long beating has now become a MONTHS long beating.

Will she get the nomination? That's the part where it gets a little tricky. You see a Democrat "super delegate" is NOT required to vote for her on the first ballot. When the gavel comes down at the very opening of the convention the super delegates are released.

Bernie expects a floor fight and has every reason to call for one after MONTHS of Clinton defeats. And those "guaranteed" states democrats keep running their yap about? You know the ones they have PRE-counted as hers? Well there is a problem there. Ohio Trump is ahead by a few points and West Virginia? SUN BURN red.

Seems some idiot got behind a podium and PROMISED to put ALL the coal miners out of work. That hands down was dumber than anything ever said by Biden/Quayle or Obama has ever said. And well most of our local democrats here are well stuck on stupid. The DNC wants a winner NOT a woman.

The Clinton team will no doubt start some riots OUTSIDE the RNC convention but I feel it will be nothing compared to the riots INSIDE the DNC convention.
I myself plan on watching because IF Sanders wins I will be watching the death of the Democrat National Party and the birth of the Socialist Democrat Party.

Fury

The Clinton's problem in finishing off Sanders is similar to the problem Trump's adversaries faced. Both Clinton and the Trump adversaries both faced a large segment of the population that are discussed with their party's performance. Trump supporters want to see their party move further to the right and Sander's support want to see their party go further to Left. I think this foretells of even more polarization and political stagnation in Washington.

You are completely wrong about Trump supporters. They don't want the party to move right, if anything they are sick of the traditional right wing bullshit on things like abortion and gay marriage getting in the way of real issues being solved.

Tired of Bullshit, yes. However, Trump supporters are certainly conservative. They aggressively support getting tough on immigration policy, repealing Obamacare, oppose gun control, increased military spending, abolishing federal aid to education. Being that his supporters are 60% blue collar republicans, I can't imagine they support abortion rights or the LGBT issues.

The one thing Trump supporters don't seem to be is fiscal conservatives.

 

[NightFox]

You understand that universal healthcare costs france, britain, germany, etc under half of what it does to fund it privately, right?

We spend 17% of GDP on healthcare. All the countries in western Europe spend less than 10% fo GDP and get the same outcomes.

Universal healthcare will not bankrupt anyone, it will just piss rural Americans off because their hospitals will close. The healthcare industry would be cut in half, lol

An Analysis of Senator Bernie Sanders's Tax and Transfer Proposals

"TPC finds the new government benefits would more than offset new taxes for 95% of households but the combined tax and transfer plan would increase federal budget deficits by more than $18 trillion over the next decade."

"If unfunded, the deficit increase would raise interest payments on the national debt by over $3 trillion over the next ten years. The dramatic increase in government borrowing would crowd out private investment, raise interest rates, further increase government borrowing costs,and retard economic growth. In combination with the dramatically higher tax rates, which would reduce incentives to work, save, and invest, the negative macroeconomic effects of the plan could be severe."


"Life is just a fantasy
Can you live this fantasy life?" -- Aldo Nova, Fantasy

Tax isn't GDP herp derp

lol

you'll cut GDP percentage spent on healthcare in half (in a private system)

"BUT TAXES WILL GO UP IF YOU HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!! "

...Jesus fucking christ

Apparently somebody tore out the chapter on the effects of excessive government debt and debt service costs in your copy of Economics for Complete Fucking Morons, perhaps you should ask those nice folks over in Greece if you can borrow their copy.

We spend 17% of GDP on healthcare. That's about 3 trillion dollars this year

We could cut it down to 1.5 trillion

There is no math where that's a loss. There is nothing inherently that would decrease GDP if we nationalized the whole economy at this moment and everything was 100% taxed.

You're slow

Americans would have 9,000* extra dollars in their pocket to tax, and only half of that would need to go to healthcare

Yeah professor if you would have bothered to read the TPC report that I linked, you would already know that Bernie's single payer healthcare "plan" would increase public and private health care spending by $5.5 TRILLION over 10 years (and Federal spending on acute health care services would increase by $29 TRILLION over 10 years) and even assuming interest rates stay at the current rate (a completely unrealistic assumption) there is still an $18 TRILLION hole over 10 years and that's not fully accounting for the effects of all Bernie's proposed tax increases on economic growth.

You dreamy eyed socialists just don't seem to get the fact THERE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH, nor do you appear to be capable of understanding anything relative to how economies actually work and that institutional, culture, tradition and demographic differences between countries rule out perfect portability from country to country at a policy level.

I appreciate the fact that you won't be happy until you complete your goal of completely destroying the U.S. Economy by trying to turn the United States into France, might I suggest that instead of creating untold economic misery here in the U.S., if You, Bernie and all the other clueless BernieBots want to live in a French Economy you just pack your shit and move there.