Sharon to discuss nukes as part of broader peaceplan

[dilloduck]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5620254

everyone who believes Israel will give up its' nukes raise thier hand.

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by dilloduck
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5620254

everyone who believes Israel will give up its' nukes raise thier hand.

They might give up two for every one that they keep. If they have say, about a hundred of them (as many suggest), that still leaves them with around 33 right? More than enough to protect themselves once they are attacked (which they will be again some day and we all know it).

 

[dilloduck]

Lets just hope they are low yield and tactical.

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by freeandfun1

They might give up two for every one that they keep. If they have say, about a hundred of them (as many suggest), that still leaves them with around 33 right? More than enough to protect themselves once they are attacked (which they will be again some day and we all know it).

They might do what?

Israel does not admit to having one atomic weapon.

But if Israel is attacked by accident or with evil intent, Israel now has the delivery systems and weapons to destroy any number of countries anywhere in the world.

But Israel doesn't admit to having nuclear weapons of mass destruction.

Like Dilloduck hints, let's hope that no nation or group of nations attacks Israel.

Think of it. 5 +/- million Israeli's can defeat any attack from anywhere in the world.

Maybe the United States will give up its nuclear deterent or maybe Islam will give up their belief in Muhammad. Or maybe Israel will eliminate that nuclear deterent that it does not admit having.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by ajwps
Think of it. 5 +/- million Israeli's can defeat any attack from anywhere in the world.

correction: Israel has the ability to retaliate against any attack from anywhere in the world.

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
correction: Israel has the ability to retaliate against any attack from anywhere in the world.

Correction noted........

Israel has the ability to both retaliate and defeat any attack from anywhere on the globe. As Israel and the US now has very sophisticated anti-missile weapons which can prevent enemy attacks.

http://www.defense-update.com/features/du-2-04/SHORAD-netcentric.htm

and soon

http://www.defense-update.com/news/MTHEL.htm

 

[dmp]

I hope Israel has nukes, and I would not cry much if they used them.

(shrug).

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by -=d=-
I hope Israel has nukes, and I would not cry much if they used them.

(shrug).

I would. There is too many young iranians hoping for governmental change in their country that would die if Israel launched.

 

[dilloduck]

Although there is constant denial (mostly for legal reasons) there is PLENTY evidence that Israel has nukes and other WMDs.There is also evidence that they have been working on an ethno-bomb that would kill only arabs due to genetics. If they used any of the above it would obviously kill millions af arabs and bring the wrath of the world down on them . Would the US choose to stand with Israel in a situation like this? Huge stakes involved.

 

[dmp]

why does anyone CARE if Israel has Nukes or not? They are not a country to be feared...unless you try to start shit. *cough*PLO*cough*

 

[dilloduck]

Because they can blackmail people by threatening to use em.

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth

I would. There is too many young iranians hoping for governmental change in their country that would die if Israel launched.

Yes there are a lot of young Iranians hoping against hope that the west they see on their TVs and hear on their radios will take hold and the old Mullah guard will disappear.

But, as in any country attacking another, no quarter can be taken when you or your countrymen are being threatened with annihilation.

George Bush attacked a perceived Iraqi threat to the security of the citizens of the United States. Many innocent ordinary Iraqi citizens were killed and they didn't ask to be collateral damage.

Unfortunately that is current level of civilized mankind and many Iranians would die if Israel was threatened or attacked.

 

[Zhukov]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
There are too many young Iranians hoping for governmental change in their country who would die if Israel launched.

Isn't it their fault if they do nothing to prevent their country launching an attack against Israel?

If they don't agree with the policies of their country, it is their responsibility to change those policies, or die trying if they feel strongly enough about it.

If Iran launches an attack against Israel, the Israelis cannot be blamed for all the Iranians who are killed in response who didn't approve of the behavior of the mullahs. Like us though, I'm sure if possible, they will try to minimize innocent casualties.

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by dilloduck

Although there is constant denial (mostly for legal reasons) there is PLENTY evidence that Israel has nukes and other WMDs.There is also evidence that they have been working on an ethno-bomb that would kill only arabs due to genetics. If they used any of the above it would obviously kill millions af arabs and bring the wrath of the world down on them . Would the US choose to stand with Israel in a situation like this? Huge stakes involved.

Actually the Israel ethno-bomb, the equivalent of the Arab ethno-child suicide bombers, are being designed to kill everyone in the world not of the Jewish faith.

You actually admit that Israel has the advanced technology to pick the genetic marker in an Arab which would be used to selectively attack that isolated genome with special bacteria or toxins.

This level of technology at this point in history would be the equivalent of sipping all the water out of the entire Atlantic ocean with a straw.

What are the chances that the world would be upset if every Muslim in the world would be destroyed as you say an bring the world down on Israel. That would be exactly what the primitive Hebrews want at this time.

Do you think the nations of the world would beathe a large sigh of relief if the threat of Islam to destroy mankind or make an Islamic 14th century Muhammad's time would suddently dissappear? Would the world thank Israel or condemn Israel for saving the nations from their own destruction?

The Jews try to give away their country in exchange for peace but no, you think that want to kill all the Arabs by genetics.

Your ability to reason is amazing.

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by dilloduck
Because they can blackmail people by threatening to use em.

whatever... :-/

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by dilloduck

Because they can blackmail people by threatening to use em.

Is that the same as the mutual blackmail between the United States and Russia during the Cold War?

Where do keep your thinking cap?

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by Zhukov
Isn't it their fault if they do nothing to prevent their country launching an attack against Israel?

If they don't agree with the policies of their country, it is their responsibility to change those policies, or die trying if they feel strongly enough about it.

If Iran launches an attack against Israel, the Israelis cannot be blamed for all the Iranians who are killed in response who didn't approve of the behavior of the mullahs. Like us though, I'm sure if possible, they will try to minimize innocent casualties.

thank you for muting the 'iraqi liberation' reason.

 

[Zhukov]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
thank you for muting the 'iraqi liberation' reason.

First, it is true, the Iraqis should have taken care of Saddam themselves.

Second, we pre-emptively attacked them. We did not attack them after they had attacked us, as was the premise for the comment about Iran.

Third, I fully support Israel attacking Iran's nuclear infrastructure right now to prevent any sort of devastating exchange further down the road, which would likely result in the deaths of more innocents.


'Iraqi liberation' is a positive outcome of the war. It was never stressed as the reason for the war.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by Zhukov
First, it is true, the Iraqis should have taken care of Saddam themselves.

yes it is.

Second, we pre-emptively attacked them. We did not attack them after they had attacked us, as was the premise for the comment about Iran.

true

Third, I fully support Israel attacking Iran's nuclear infrastructure right now to prevent any sort of devastating exchange further down the road, which would likely result in the deaths of more innocents.

why shouldn't we do it? They are as much of a threat to us as they are Israel, just like the premise for Iraq, right?

'Iraqi liberation' is a positive outcome of the war. It was never stressed as the reason for the war.

here, I will disagree with you. Iraqi Liberation was one of the reasons that was given when there were objections to the idea of WMD's being passed off to terrorists and it was a continued reason up until hussein was overthrown. Only now is it used as a 'positive outcome' and trumpeted by the pundits as a reason for the regime change.

 

[dilloduck]

Originally posted by ajwps
Is that the same as the mutual blackmail between the United States and Russia during the Cold War?

Where do keep your thinking cap?

CONGRATULATIONS AJ-------u win a kewpie doll------( they can also blackmail the US by saying if you don't do_______, then we will nuke ________. Just like N Korea sorta.