Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

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Where was he actually standing when he was behaving in a disorderly manner?

In his own house. For the most part. Reports are conflicting. But all seem to agree most of the incident occurred in his home.

lyre

 

[Againsheila]

I was thinking alone those same lines, but in the context of all the screeching by the righties about the "right" to shoot and kill someone to protect their "property" (per the Constitution, so they say). What would have happened if Mr. Gates, being shocked and surprised, had pulled a gun and shot the cop? After all, someone had plundered into his home. Would he have been 'Constitutionally right" to shoot the perceived intruder?

Had the cop been plain clothed and stepped into the home without identifying himself, yes, Gates would have had the right to shoot him. Happy now? Of course, that wouldn't have helped Gates much since from where I sit, it was to his benefit to get arrested. According to people on this board he used to be in staff housing, now he's been downgraded to student housing. We have a black president and his job depends on racism, if there isn't any, then where's his job? Now he's got plans for a PBS documentary, etc. If he hadn't announced that immediately after his arrest, I wouldn't have suspected that he had motive to be arrested. Before the announcement, I just thought he was tired and overreacted after a long trip and having to break into his own house.

BTW, I have a young black man living with me. I've discussed this with him. HE thinks the prof was out of bounds. Of course, he only has my word for what happened, I would like him to research it for himself and then we can discuss it.

That is an ignorant assumption.

So you have a black man living with you. Is he paying you rent? Do you have any other control over him? Assuming one or both of those, and if he has ONLY listened to YOUR warped version, no wonder he agrees. Hello??

Actually, it was worded incorrectly. It is the professors job that depends on racism, not Obama's.

 

[Anguille]

Where was he actually standing when he was behaving in a disorderly manner?

In his own house. For the most part. Reports are conflicting. But all seem to agree most of the incident occurred in his home.

lyre

gawd!

 

[Anguille]

Actually, it was worded incorrectly. It is the professors job that depends on racism, not Obama's.

 

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Why should he apologize? He asked the man to provide i.d. that it was in fact his house. The man refused and started accusations of racism. Of course the officer needs proof it is indeed his house. This case is so fucking stupid and what makes it worse is Obama even taking the time to comment on the case without knowing any of the facts. Way to run with your choke out Mr. President.

[Obama says police acted 'stupidly' in arrest

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama said Wednesday that police acted "stupidly" in the arrest of prominent black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. and that despite racial progress blacks and Hispanics are still singled out unfairly for arrest.
"This still haunts us," Obama said.
Obama called Gates a friend, and said he doesn't know all the facts of the case. Nonetheless, Obama said, anyone would have been angry if treated the way Gates claims police in Cambridge, Mass., treated him. Gates, a Harvard University professor, claims he was arrested in his home after showing ID to police who responded to a report of a possible burglary.
"Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof he was in own home," Obama said during a prime-time news conference that otherwise focused on the health care debate.
Gates' arrest followed a report of a possible burglary. A woman apparently saw Gates force the front door and called police. Police came and demanded that Gates show identification. Gates was arrested shortly afterward for alleged disorderly conduct, a charge that was dropped Tuesday.
"What I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately," Obama said. "That's just a fact."
That disparity is a reminder that "race remains a factor in the society," Obama said.

Obama says police acted 'stupidly' in arrest - Yahoo! News

I'm sorry but this incident is not national news in my opinion. And certainly did not warrant an apology from the black mayor, it was not enough to upset the black governor and not worth the black president commenting that the police acted stupidly for investigating a possible home burglary.

Gov. Deval Patrick, who is black, said he was troubled and upset over the incident. Cambridge Mayor Denise Simmons, who also is black, has said she spoke with Gates and apologized on behalf of the city, and a statement from the city called the July 16 incident "regrettable and unfortunate."

Obama 'stupidly' comment disappoints Mass. cop - Yahoo! News

And here we go again with people like you only paying attention to what you WANT to hear. First off, as a WHITE woman, I would have thrown a hissy fit if someone challenged me in my own home. Would I have been arrested for yelling at the police officers? I think not. Once I provided my identification, would I have needed to be dragged kicking and screaming to the POLICE STATION thereafter? You're goddamned right.

White or black, the actions of the police officer were completely unnecessary. Maybe he was debuting for the next new cop show, like there aren't enough already.

Second, Obama did not OFFER anything on this incident at last night's press conference. He was ASKED about it by one of the reporters, and stated AT THE OUTSET that he did not have all the facts.

when you don't have the facts, it'd a good idea to keep your mouth shut.

isn't that what you're always yapping about? people who offer opinions without *facts*?

try the grape

 

[Againsheila]

There were several officers there. No need to make Gates go back up on the porch. Since he uses a cane all the more reason not to make him go back up steps. There is much in the officer's report that is suspect.

Not the least of which is that Crowley didn't write up the report. Very unusual. I was a part-time dispatcher in college (midnight-8AM, and I could also study), and I can guarantee that even back then, the arresting officer was the one who wrote up the Incident Report, of course...

A lot of things don't jive. I don't believe Gates claim that he never yelled at the cop either. But something is a little fishy about that police report. And the fact that they quickly dropped charges.

He's a Harvard prof who is friends with the POTUS, and you think it's strange that the charges were dropped quickly? Have you heard the saying, "It's not what you know, but who you know?"

The fact is, had he been poor, white or black, he'd still be in jail.

 

[Anguille]

Not the least of which is that Crowley didn't write up the report. Very unusual. I was a part-time dispatcher in college (midnight-8AM, and I could also study), and I can guarantee that even back then, the arresting officer was the one who wrote up the Incident Report, of course...

A lot of things don't jive. I don't believe Gates claim that he never yelled at the cop either. But something is a little fishy about that police report. And the fact that they quickly dropped charges.

He's a Harvard prof who is friends with the POTUS, and you think it's strange that the charges were dropped quickly? Have you heard the saying, "It's not what you know, but who you know?"

The fact is, had he been poor, white or black, he'd still be in jail.

Then you have a very low opinion indeed of the Cambridge Police.

 

[Againsheila]

Actually, it was worded incorrectly. It is the professors job that depends on racism, not Obama's.

Oh come on, the prof is planning a PBS documentary based on the cops racist treatment and you don't think his job depends on racism? Face it, if their wasn't racism, he'd be out of a job. Like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al, they don't want racism to end, they just want to make money off of it.

Again, had he not announced his plans to make the documentary, I wouldn't have thought so...I would have just thought he was having a bad day.

 

[Againsheila]

A lot of things don't jive. I don't believe Gates claim that he never yelled at the cop either. But something is a little fishy about that police report. And the fact that they quickly dropped charges.

He's a Harvard prof who is friends with the POTUS, and you think it's strange that the charges were dropped quickly? Have you heard the saying, "It's not what you know, but who you know?"

The fact is, had he been poor, white or black, he'd still be in jail.

Then you have a very low opinion indeed of the Cambridge Police.

No, I have a very low opinion of rich people that get away with crimes while the rest of us have to pay for ours.

 

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There were several officers there. No need to make Gates go back up on the porch. Since he uses a cane all the more reason not to make him go back up steps. There is much in the officer's report that is suspect.

I am shocked that people exist that are as stupid as you.

What difference does it make if Gates walked, crawled, flew or was beamed onto the porch by Scotty?

I thought you promised us you were going away?

I think you must just be a troll playing stupid for attention because no one could be as clueless as you. You don't arrest a guy on the street and then walk him back up to his front door. The photo shows that Gates was arrested inside or just outside his door.
You claim the photo shows the cops were wearinmg badges and name tags. I only see badges. And it's not even clear if Officer Crowley is in the photo.

just filled my irony quota for the day.
thanks!

 

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Gates showed his ID. There was no question of his identity and that he was in his own home.

It would behoove you to read all the reports again. You will clearly see ( but then again maybe not) that Gates was asked three times to show ID, the third time he complied. Satisfied the cop was leaving, Gates having already hurled epitaphs and threats proceeded to follow the cop outside where he (Gates) was warned several times about his conduct, warnings he did not heed, therefore the only recourse the officer had was to place the idiot under arrest.

I tried typing slow so as not to confuse you. I hope that helped.

What reports (plural) are you reading? There's only one police report, and I find it a little strange that Sgt. Crowley didn't complete it himself. Instead, it was completed by the backup officer, Figueroa. I thought it was SOP that cops never approached a potentially dangerous situation alone? If Crowley thought there was a B&E in progress, it was pretty dumb for him to proceed solo, especially since the 911 call said there were two black men, not one. But because Crowley WAS alone, until the backup arrived, anything HE says that happened is simply his word against Gates' version of the incident.

there's one by figueroa and one by crowley.

google is your friend

 

[Anguille]

Ya gotta wonder. Does a person get more mad at being called a racist when he really is one or when he really isn't one?

Why wonder that? Obviously most of the idjits here have never had to deal with Boston/Cambridge Irish Cops.

I'd take a Boston cop any day over a Cambridge cop. I see Boston cops get harassed all the time. They never bat an eyelash.

 

[Anguille]

Actually, it was worded incorrectly. It is the professors job that depends on racism, not Obama's.

Oh come on, the prof is planning a PBS documentary based on the cops racist treatment and you don't think his job depends on racism? Face it, if their wasn't racism, he'd be out of a job. Like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al, they don't want racism to end, they just want to make money off of it.

Again, had he not announced his plans to make the documentary, I wouldn't have thought so...I would have just thought he was having a bad day.

Have you ever read any of his books? Seen one of his documentaries?

 

[Anguille]

It would behoove you to read all the reports again. You will clearly see ( but then again maybe not) that Gates was asked three times to show ID, the third time he complied. Satisfied the cop was leaving, Gates having already hurled epitaphs and threats proceeded to follow the cop outside where he (Gates) was warned several times about his conduct, warnings he did not heed, therefore the only recourse the officer had was to place the idiot under arrest.

I tried typing slow so as not to confuse you. I hope that helped.

What reports (plural) are you reading? There's only one police report, and I find it a little strange that Sgt. Crowley didn't complete it himself. Instead, it was completed by the backup officer, Figueroa. I thought it was SOP that cops never approached a potentially dangerous situation alone? If Crowley thought there was a B&E in progress, it was pretty dumb for him to proceed solo, especially since the 911 call said there were two black men, not one. But because Crowley WAS alone, until the backup arrived, anything HE says that happened is simply his word against Gates' version of the incident.

there's one by figueroa and one by crowley.

google is your friend

The arresting officer and his back up?

What about the neighbor in the Herald article you linked to yesterday who said he saw what happened and that Gates should not have been arrested? What about Gates own testimony? I guess that doesn't count because nobody gets arrested unless they are guilty.

 

[Againsheila]

Oh come on, the prof is planning a PBS documentary based on the cops racist treatment and you don't think his job depends on racism? Face it, if their wasn't racism, he'd be out of a job. Like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al, they don't want racism to end, they just want to make money off of it.

Again, had he not announced his plans to make the documentary, I wouldn't have thought so...I would have just thought he was having a bad day.

Have you ever read any of his books? Seen one of his documentaries?

No, and after this first came out, I had planned to, but now, hmpf, forget it. Put 2 and 2 together. According to someone who claims to know him he used to be in staff housing and now has been downgraded to student housing. Obviously he's lost his clout with Harvard. We have a black President, elected by the whites in this country, pretty clear that racism is dying in this country. It's what he makes his living on so what does he do? He gets himself arrested so he can cry racism and do a documentary.

 

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So the cop just let him walk back up on his porch after arresting him?

Yes, the man was handcuffed and escorted by police. The reason (if you'd read the reports) are obvious. One officer went inside to retrieve Gates' cane and they could not leave the premises until it was secure.

Oh sweet jeezus--which FOX reporter came up with that beaut?? Surely you've watched enough cop shows to know they PUT THE PERP IN THE CAR AND SECURE THAT, then return to the building if necessary. (And cop cars don't have door handles in the back.)

not when the perp is disabled and needs a cane to walk, asshat.

 

[Anguille]

Oh come on, the prof is planning a PBS documentary based on the cops racist treatment and you don't think his job depends on racism? Face it, if their wasn't racism, he'd be out of a job. Like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al, they don't want racism to end, they just want to make money off of it.

Again, had he not announced his plans to make the documentary, I wouldn't have thought so...I would have just thought he was having a bad day.

Have you ever read any of his books? Seen one of his documentaries?

No, and after this first came out, I had planned to, but now, hmpf, forget it. Put 2 and 2 together. According to someone who claims to know him he used to be in staff housing and now has been downgraded to student housing. Obviously he's lost his clout with Harvard. We have a black President, elected by the whites in this country, pretty clear that racism is dying in this country. It's what he makes his living on so what does he do? He gets himself arrested so he can cry racism and do a documentary.

Assuming that is true about having been moved from staff housing to student housing (which I don't think is true since Gates is not a student), his move probably had more to do with his recent divorce than his job.

Go on calling lumping him in with Jackson and Sharpton. I'm sure you lump any black who doesn't yezzum you that way.

 

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Yes, the man was handcuffed and escorted by police. The reason (if you'd read the reports) are obvious. One officer went inside to retrieve Gates' cane and they could not leave the premises until it was secure.

There were several officers there. No need to make Gates go back up on the porch. Since he uses a cane all the more reason not to make him go back up steps. There is much in the officer's report that is suspect.

Not the least of which is that Crowley didn't write up the report. Very unusual. I was a part-time dispatcher in college (midnight-8AM, and I could also study), and I can guarantee that even back then, the arresting officer was the one who wrote up the Incident Report, of course...

duh
Henry Louis Gates, Jr. Police Report - July 23, 2009

enjoy

 

[Anguille]

Yes, the man was handcuffed and escorted by police. The reason (if you'd read the reports) are obvious. One officer went inside to retrieve Gates' cane and they could not leave the premises until it was secure.

Oh sweet jeezus--which FOX reporter came up with that beaut?? Surely you've watched enough cop shows to know they PUT THE PERP IN THE CAR AND SECURE THAT, then return to the building if necessary. (And cop cars don't have door handles in the back.)

not when the perp is disabled and needs a cane to walk, asshat.

asshat, and I mean that in the most respectful way, the cop claims Gates followed him to the car so he arrested him there.

 

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I was thinking alone those same lines, but in the context of all the screeching by the righties about the "right" to shoot and kill someone to protect their "property" (per the Constitution, so they say). What would have happened if Mr. Gates, being shocked and surprised, had pulled a gun and shot the cop? After all, someone had plundered into his home. Would he have been 'Constitutionally right" to shoot the perceived intruder?

Had the cop been plain clothed and stepped into the home without identifying himself, yes, Gates would have had the right to shoot him. Happy now? Of course, that wouldn't have helped Gates much since from where I sit, it was to his benefit to get arrested. According to people on this board he used to be in staff housing, now he's been downgraded to student housing. We have a black president and his job depends on racism, if there isn't any, then where's his job? Now he's got plans for a PBS documentary, etc. If he hadn't announced that immediately after his arrest, I wouldn't have suspected that he had motive to be arrested. Before the announcement, I just thought he was tired and overreacted after a long trip and having to break into his own house.

BTW, I have a young black man living with me. I've discussed this with him. HE thinks the prof was out of bounds. Of course, he only has my word for what happened, I would like him to research it for himself and then we can discuss it.

That is an ignorant assumption.

So you have a black man living with you. Is he paying you rent? Do you have any other control over him? Assuming one or both of those, and if he has ONLY listened to YOUR warped version, no wonder he agrees. Hello??

and here i thought you'd cornered the market.

go figure.