Senators call for 12-cent gas-tax increase to replenish highway fund

[zeke]

Brilliant rebuttal.

Hey my "response" was as valid as the bullshit you wrote above; "statists communiosts.........blah blah blah blah.

What insight. What understanding. What a joke you are.

Here's an idea; if you would get a fucking JOB, maybe you wouldn't have to worry so much about not having any money. What you think of that idea?

In your opinion, the way to correct government corruption is for americans to get a second job?


...and you call me a "joke"?

No dummy. I am saying that if you are so poor that you have to worry about the income tax that us middle class citizens have to pay, then you are poor enough to need to get a fucking job.

You want to get rid of corruption in the government? I take it that this is your big concern.
Here's an idea. Elect better quality candidates. What a revelation eh?

But here is a big for sure just for you. You won't be changin' government corruption bitching on a message board. True story. So what you gonna do?

 

[Rotagilla]

No dummy.

Brilliant rebuttal.

I am saying that if you are so poor that you have to worry about the income tax that us middle class citizens have to pay, then you are poor enough to need to get a fucking job.

We aren't talking about who is poorer than whom or who doesn't have a job.
I said that the government seizes too much money from citizens.

You want to get rid of corruption in the government?

Yes.
Who doesn't?

I take it that this is your big concern.

Yes it is a big concern.

Here's an idea. Elect better quality candidates. What a revelation eh?

Oh...you think we can vote our way to an honest government and lower taxes by electing some more politicians? You think one party is really different than the other?
LMAO..you have been fooled, little partisan!

But here is a big for sure just for you. You won't be changin' government corruption bitching on a message board. True story. So what you gonna do?

Did anyone ever say they could change government corruption by "bitching" on a ...blah...blah....?
You're trying to deflect.

Exposing and discussing corruption in government is healthy for any citizens of any nation.

What exactly is your point? To disregard govt corruption if "your" side is doing it?

 

[Andylusion]

Here's an idea. Elect better quality candidates. What a revelation eh?

Oh...you think we can vote our way to an honest government and lower taxes by electing some more politicians? You think one party is really different than the other?
LMAO..you have been fooled, little partisan!

Yes, we can vote our way to an honest government, and lower taxes, by electing better quality politicians. Absolutely we can.

No, I don't think one party is entirely different. Electing good politicians, and electing a party, are two entirely different things.

 

[Andylusion]

The bottom line is this.....

First, it should be left to the states to fund their own roads.

One of the problems that I see coming in the future, is that states are building stuff that they simply have no ability to afford. They are relying on government funds, to build projects that they would never be able to pay for on their own.

As a result, when the money crunch comes.... AND IT WILL COME.... the Federal government will simply not be able to afford the upkeep on these projects. When that happens, it's going to end up being Detroit all over again, except on a state wide level.

So instead, all big road projects should be completely and totally funded at the state level. Thus states will only engage in projects they can actually afford to upkeep themselves.

But let's even put that to the side for a moment. The idea that we need to give even more money to the Federal government for this problem, is absolute fruit bat crazy talk.

Do you people have any idea just how much money our government is collecting?
$3 Trillion dollars. Do you people not realize how insane that is?

To understand just how nutz that is, you have to realize that there are only THREE COUNTRIES in the entire world that have a LARGER GDP, than how much our government collects in taxes.

China, Japan, and Germany, have a larger GDP than how much we collect in taxes.

The entire GDP of France, is only $2.6 Trillion. Russia is only $2 Trillion GDP.

And we can't afford..... some roads..... with more money than the entire country of France, or Russia, or the UK, or Italy makes in a year?

China collects $675 Billion in taxes.
Japan collected $800 Billion in taxes.
Germany collected $1.6 Trillion in taxes.

So the next three largest economies in the world, if you collect all the taxes from all three, is $3 Trillion.... and our government just spent $3.7 Trillion for Fiscal year 2014....

.... but we can't fund a couple of roads?? Really? More money than Japan, Germany and China, and we can't fund a bunch of roads....

Where is the money going? Well we all know where the money is going. To ObamaCare, to Socialist Security, to Mediscare, to Welunfair, Food Stamps, to Green Energy Grants, to 'fighting global climate change', to windmills and solar panels, to political kick backs to supporters of Obama.

We know where the money is going, and all the left cares about is "ya'll need to pay more". Bull crap.

 

[daveman]

A real American, when faced with a small paycheck....would get a second job or start a business. Quit yer whining, patriot. Grab those bootstraps and pull!

The answer to govt corruption is for "real americans" to get another job?

Statists/communists think the answer to every problem is for the govt to seize more money from working citizens....to "redistribute".

Hell no, that ain't the answer. The answer is for you, The T and daveman to do a march on Washington. Really. That is the answer. You all go kick some corrupt government ass. OK?

Can't. We've all got jobs. Could you march for us?

 

[Rotagilla]

Here's an idea. Elect better quality candidates. What a revelation eh?

Oh...you think we can vote our way to an honest government and lower taxes by electing some more politicians? You think one party is really different than the other?
LMAO..you have been fooled, little partisan!

Yes, we can vote our way to an honest government, and lower taxes, by electing better quality politicians. Absolutely we can.

No, I don't think one party is entirely different. Electing good politicians, and electing a party, are two entirely different things.

Right...it hasn't worked yet..maybe if we try it just one more time.....


The day after the Constitution was signed some slick lawyers were parsing over every single word looking for loopholes and ways to evade....

now after over 200 years of the government being infiltrated warped, and manipulated by "special interests" and lawyers evading and distorting the constitution, we're left with what we have today.

All three branches are corrupt beyond salvation.

Time to re set.

 

[Andylusion]

Oh...you think we can vote our way to an honest government and lower taxes by electing some more politicians? You think one party is really different than the other?
LMAO..you have been fooled, little partisan!

Yes, we can vote our way to an honest government, and lower taxes, by electing better quality politicians. Absolutely we can.

No, I don't think one party is entirely different. Electing good politicians, and electing a party, are two entirely different things.

Right...it hasn't worked yet..maybe if we try it just one more time.....


The day after the Constitution was signed some slick lawyers were parsing over every single word looking for loopholes and ways to evade....

now after over 200 years of the government being infiltrated warped, and manipulated by "special interests" and lawyers evading and distorting the constitution, we're left with what we have today.

All three branches are corrupt beyond salvation.

Time to re set.

No, you just don't know history. Back in the 1700s, there were special interests then too, and there were politicians making money off them.

As long as the politicians is willing to work the system, as long as he has no problem taking money, there will be people willing to give that money.

There has never been a time in American history, or Human history, in which government wasn't influenced by money.

There is nothing special about today's government, except that we the public, have chosen to elect people who are corrupt before they ever get to the government.

Ted Kennedy, Barny Frank, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Hilliary Clinton. All of these people have been OPENLY corrupt, and we keep electing them back into office. That's all there is to it.

There is no law you can pass, and if you demand a revolution, the revolutionaries in all historical cases, have been more corrupt than before the revolution.

The solution really is, to vote for better quality politicians.

You say that hasn't worked? No... we haven't tried it. You have try something, before you can say it doesn't work.

 

[Rotagilla]

No, you just don't know history. Back in the 1700s, there were special interests then too, and there were politicians making money off them.

I know a little history, thanks.

Yes, there was corruption in the 1700's. No one denies that. There has always been corruption and there always will be. That's how humans operate. Humans are flawed creatures.
I'll venture the extent and effects weren't nearly as broad as now, but that's no excuse.

As long as the politicians is willing to work the system, as long as he has no problem taking money, there will be people willing to give that money.

That can be modulated, though.
In china if a government employee is caught breaking the law they march him outside and..."term limit"...him on the spot.

A little extreme but it sends a message.

I propose a simple law where any govt official who is convicted of corruption AUTOMATICALLY receives TWICE the sentence a regular citizen would receive.

There has never been a time in American history, or Human history, in which government wasn't influenced by money.

Yes. That doesn't mean it should be allowed when exposed.

There is nothing special about today's government, except that we the public, have chosen to elect people who are corrupt before they ever get to the government.

Yes...but the difference is that the effects of their corruption tend to be more widespread because it affects 300 million people, national and international corporations, banks and foreign governments.

All fires start from a single spark.

Ted Kennedy, Barny Frank, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Hilliary Clinton. All of these people have been OPENLY corrupt, and we keep electing them back into office. That's all there is to it.

We get the government we deserve.

There is no law you can pass, and if you demand a revolution, the revolutionaries in all historical cases, have been more corrupt than before the revolution.

Humans are flawed creatures. There will always be some degree of corruption in anything they do...We can only strive to correct and eliminate past mistakes.

...but the inevitable course of every form of government ever practiced is birth in blood and revolution and death by revolution.

Once the seed of corruption takes root in government and overwhelms the entire process, it has to be weeded out, though...and at this point in history all three branches are irredeemably corrupt.

The solution really is, to vote for better quality politicians.

I maintain that at this point, the government has been thoroughly infiltrated and corrupted and is run entirely by special interests ...to the detriment of the citizens.

No politician or political party can fix it.

You say that hasn't worked? No... we haven't tried it. You have try something, before you can say it doesn't work.

Sure we did. It worked for about 200 years..the normal lifespan of any type of government before it gets "replaced".

On one hand you say everyone is corrupt...on the other hand you say we can fix government by electing "different" politicians...who are, by your definition, also corrupt.


"This system" can't be fixed by using "this system". The game is rigged. The two party system is defunct.

 

[driveby]

Until Rightwingers pressure House Republicans to eliminate Wall Street speculation on energy prices, they should STFU about the price of gas.

You tell 'em comrade! Because there was no Wall Street speculation going on when gas was $1.89 per gallon......

 

[natstew]

The Interstate highway system was developed to move military assets around and keep the Industrial war machine (that FDR created) moving.

Eisenhower got the idea from Germany's highway system. Hitler built it to rapidly move his military forces around and it also put the German people to work, ending the worst depression in World History in Germany. Eisenhower didn't see it as a way to keep the War Industry moving, but to be able to move a smaller military around, avoiding a larger military that required large military forces pre-placed around the Country.

The Interstate Highway System is the greatest thing to come out of the 20th century. The Department that runs and maintains the Interstate Highway system has become a money eating monster whose primary concern is self survival and growth. there's plenty of money there, it's corruption at it's worst that's the problem with the U.S. Highway Department.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Until Rightwingers pressure House Republicans to eliminate Wall Street speculation on energy prices, they should STFU about the price of gas.

It's not the energy speculation that's making gas expensive it's the taxes.

The government makes more on a gallon of gas than the oil companies do.

 

[peach174]

Oh...you think we can vote our way to an honest government and lower taxes by electing some more politicians? You think one party is really different than the other?
LMAO..you have been fooled, little partisan!

Yes, we can vote our way to an honest government, and lower taxes, by electing better quality politicians. Absolutely we can.

No, I don't think one party is entirely different. Electing good politicians, and electing a party, are two entirely different things.

Right...it hasn't worked yet..maybe if we try it just one more time.....


The day after the Constitution was signed some slick lawyers were parsing over every single word looking for loopholes and ways to evade....

now after over 200 years of the government being infiltrated warped, and manipulated by "special interests" and lawyers evading and distorting the constitution, we're left with what we have today.

All three branches are corrupt beyond salvation.

Time to re set.

The difference was that the Politicians upheld the Constitution from the 1700's until the 1900's.
When Progressives took over, politicians have never upheld the Constitution saying that they can do anything they want because of the general welfare clause and it is up to the Courts to challenge their policies.
The minute that politicians proclaimed the opposite of the meaning of our constitutional beliefs of individual first, society second and changed that to society first and individual second is the minute they got their power over the rights of the individual states and we the people.

 

[Wildman]

In 2013, about 134.51 billion gallons (or 3.20 billion barrels) of gasoline were consumed in the United States, a daily average of about 368.51 million gallons.

12 cent increase per gallon works out to be around $18,000,000,000.00 + or - a few million $$$$$ per year, how many years would this fiasco be in effect ? i predict a very long time as long as those "law makers" get their cut.

sooooo, in one year the feds would collect enough money to resurface every fucking road in America, and in the WDC area they might even resurface the roads with GOLD !!

the above would be true if there were no "scams", "under the table", "grease the palms", "pay offs", etc.

 

[Andylusion]

No, you just don't know history. Back in the 1700s, there were special interests then too, and there were politicians making money off them.

I know a little history, thanks.

Yes, there was corruption in the 1700's. No one denies that. There has always been corruption and there always will be. That's how humans operate. Humans are flawed creatures.
I'll venture the extent and effects weren't nearly as broad as now, but that's no excuse.

That's a subjective statement, just as saying how broad corruption is now, is a subjective statement.

I don't think corrupt is nearly as bad as some would like us to believe.

The difference is only the dollar amounts, and the only reason the dollars are larger, is because we have elected politicians that have raised more tax money.

Government will always be influenced on where the money goes, that they collect.

The only difference between 1780s, and 2010s, is that the amount of money being confiscated and given out, is larger. That's is.

And the only solution to that problem, is simply to give government less money.

As long as the politicians is willing to work the system, as long as he has no problem taking money, there will be people willing to give that money.

That can be modulated, though.
In china if a government employee is caught breaking the law they march him outside and..."term limit"...him on the spot.

A little extreme but it sends a message.

I propose a simple law where any govt official who is convicted of corruption AUTOMATICALLY receives TWICE the sentence a regular citizen would receive.

Which would do absolutely nothing. Nothing at all. Remember Bill Clinton? He was caught selling high tech weapons technology to China? What happened? Nothing.

Al Gore, caught calling companies from inside the Office of the VP, recorded on tape, shaking down companies for money.

What happened? Nothing.

It doesn't matter what law you put in place, when you elect politicians who are corrupt, are not willing to enforce the law on other politicians.

Nothing will happen with your law.

The problem is, you are assuming that the public is against corruption. The public is not against corruption, unless it's someone they don't like. They liked Clinton, so all the corruption in the world doesn't matter. All the laws don't matter. Nothing mattered.

Yes. That doesn't mean it should be allowed when exposed.

I agree. But you have to have politicians willing to stop it. If you don't, then no law is going to make a difference.

Yes...but the difference is that the effects of their corruption tend to be more widespread because it affects 300 million people, national and international corporations, banks and foreign governments.

That's debatable. It certainly hasn't affected me.

Once the seed of corruption takes root in government and overwhelms the entire process, it has to be weeded out, though...and at this point in history all three branches are irredeemably corrupt.

Again, very debatable. If we push good politicians who have moral and ethical bonds, it can be changed.

The problem is, the public is corrupt. This is why I'll always argue against a revolution approach, because anyone from this culture will be twice as corrupt as the politicians are. You intend to replace imps of satan, with satan himself. That's not a winning plan.

I maintain that at this point, the government has been thoroughly infiltrated and corrupted and is run entirely by special interests ...to the detriment of the citizens.

No politician or political party can fix it.

The only alternative is worse.

You say that hasn't worked? No... we haven't tried it. You have try something, before you can say it doesn't work.

Sure we did. It worked for about 200 years..the normal lifespan of any type of government before it gets "replaced".

On one hand you say everyone is corrupt...on the other hand you say we can fix government by electing "different" politicians...who are, by your definition, also corrupt.

Not all of them. I can think of about a dozen off hand, that I would suggest or not corrupt.

But that involves us voting for them, and not for the corrupt ones.

You seem to be painting all the politicians with a broad brush.

Here's the problem with that logic. If you say we can't vote for good politicians because there are none, and instead we have to replace government......

Who do you think we're going to replace government with? Other politicians, which you just said were all corrupt.

What happens when you replace bad politician(S), with a single bad politician?

Right now, all the politicians in government are limited by each other. When you overthrow that system, what happens to whomever takes over? He has no constraints at all, and you end up with, Castro, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, and so on.

You think there was no corruption before the French revolution? Of course there was. But how much corruption was there after the revolution? Tons. Whatever amount there was before, was multiplied many times after the revolution. Things were dramatically worse.

 

[Rotagilla]

No, you just don't know history. Back in the 1700s, there were special interests then too, and there were politicians making money off them.

I know a little history, thanks.

Yes, there was corruption in the 1700's. No one denies that. There has always been corruption and there always will be. That's how humans operate. Humans are flawed creatures.
I'll venture the extent and effects weren't nearly as broad as now, but that's no excuse.

That's a subjective statement, just as saying how broad corruption is now, is a subjective statement.

I don't think corrupt is nearly as bad as some would like us to believe.

The difference is only the dollar amounts, and the only reason the dollars are larger, is because we have elected politicians that have raised more tax money.

Government will always be influenced on where the money goes, that they collect.

The only difference between 1780s, and 2010s, is that the amount of money being confiscated and given out, is larger. That's is.

And the only solution to that problem, is simply to give government less money.



Which would do absolutely nothing. Nothing at all. Remember Bill Clinton? He was caught selling high tech weapons technology to China? What happened? Nothing.

Al Gore, caught calling companies from inside the Office of the VP, recorded on tape, shaking down companies for money.

What happened? Nothing.

It doesn't matter what law you put in place, when you elect politicians who are corrupt, are not willing to enforce the law on other politicians.

Nothing will happen with your law.

The problem is, you are assuming that the public is against corruption. The public is not against corruption, unless it's someone they don't like. They liked Clinton, so all the corruption in the world doesn't matter. All the laws don't matter. Nothing mattered.



I agree. But you have to have politicians willing to stop it. If you don't, then no law is going to make a difference.



That's debatable. It certainly hasn't affected me.



Again, very debatable. If we push good politicians who have moral and ethical bonds, it can be changed.

The problem is, the public is corrupt. This is why I'll always argue against a revolution approach, because anyone from this culture will be twice as corrupt as the politicians are. You intend to replace imps of satan, with satan himself. That's not a winning plan.



The only alternative is worse.

You say that hasn't worked? No... we haven't tried it. You have try something, before you can say it doesn't work.

Sure we did. It worked for about 200 years..the normal lifespan of any type of government before it gets "replaced".

On one hand you say everyone is corrupt...on the other hand you say we can fix government by electing "different" politicians...who are, by your definition, also corrupt.

Not all of them. I can think of about a dozen off hand, that I would suggest or not corrupt.

But that involves us voting for them, and not for the corrupt ones.

You seem to be painting all the politicians with a broad brush.

Here's the problem with that logic. If you say we can't vote for good politicians because there are none, and instead we have to replace government......

Who do you think we're going to replace government with? Other politicians, which you just said were all corrupt.

What happens when you replace bad politician(S), with a single bad politician?

Right now, all the politicians in government are limited by each other. When you overthrow that system, what happens to whomever takes over? He has no constraints at all, and you end up with, Castro, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, and so on.

You think there was no corruption before the French revolution? Of course there was. But how much corruption was there after the revolution? Tons. Whatever amount there was before, was multiplied many times after the revolution. Things were dramatically worse.

Ok..Good post.
I still disagree with some of it, but not worth quibbling over.

That's been the basis for every revolution in history....a government eventually becomes overly corrupt and oppressive and gets replaced...Sometimes for the better...sometimes not. So?
It's the historic, natural course of government.

They're all born in blood and revolution and they all die in blood and revolution.

 

[Darkwind]

In 2013, about 134.51 billion gallons (or 3.20 billion barrels) of gasoline were consumed in the United States, a daily average of about 368.51 million gallons.

12 cent increase per gallon works out to be around $18,000,000,000.00 + or - a few million $$$$$ per year, how many years would this fiasco be in effect ? i predict a very long time as long as those "law makers" get their cut.

sooooo, in one year the feds would collect enough money to resurface every fucking road in America, and in the WDC area they might even resurface the roads with GOLD !!

the above would be true if there were no "scams", "under the table", "grease the palms", "pay offs", etc.

I wonder how long this response will be ignored.

 

[natstew]

In 2013, about 134.51 billion gallons (or 3.20 billion barrels) of gasoline were consumed in the United States, a daily average of about 368.51 million gallons.

12 cent increase per gallon works out to be around $18,000,000,000.00 + or - a few million $$$$$ per year, how many years would this fiasco be in effect ? i predict a very long time as long as those "law makers" get their cut.

sooooo, in one year the feds would collect enough money to resurface every fucking road in America, and in the WDC area they might even resurface the roads with GOLD !!

the above would be true if there were no "scams", "under the table", "grease the palms", "pay offs", etc.

I wonder how long this response will be ignored.

It's not being ignored, You got a couple of "Thanks" for it. I agree 100%, with all the taxes collected by the Government, we could all be living in mansions and driving new cars on streets of gold.

 

[natstew]

Government Corruption is like a cancer. It always grows until it destroys it's host.
Revolution is the only treatment. The Guillotine is the surgery and armed battle is the Chemo.

 

[KissMy]

Government will always be influenced on where the money goes, that they collect.

The only difference between 1780s, and 2010s, is that the amount of money being confiscated and given out, is larger. That's is.

And the only solution to that problem, is simply to give government less money.

You're just another of many starve the beast brainwashed idiots.

The solution is to cut government spending, not create economy & job killing inflation by subsidizing political supporters by reducing their taxes while exploding spending as Repubtards do.

Clinton with Democrat Congress & Obama cut government spending, reduced inflation rates, grew jobs & the economy.

Reagan & the Bush's explode spending, raise payroll taxes on workers to subsidize dividend & income tax cuts for Billionaires. This out of control spending explodes deficits & inflation. Raising payroll taxes kills jobs & reduces tax revenue adding to debt & inflation.

You can't drown the government in the bath tub by paying less tax, when it can barrow money & has a printing press. The way to reign in government is to cut deficit spending.

This is how Obama reduced the size & cost of government & Bush exploded the size & cost of government.

BTW: the Phillips Curve, Wage Price Spiral, Starve the Government Beast & Drown Government in the Bath Tub are all Economic Fictions created by cronies to steal wealth form working people & give it to crony entitled people.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Here's a thought, scrap the federal gas tax altogether and the let the states fund their own damn roads. Why does D.C. need to do it?

Senators call for 12-cent gas-tax increase to replenish highway fund*-*Los Angeles Times

Another instance of liberals never thinking ahead with more efficient gas millage and electric cars