Senate GOP leader faces pushback after Senate Proposes Hundreds of Billions More in Medicaid Cuts than House Plan

[Zincwarrior]

Senate members are pushing back on proposals to cut Medicaid by hundreds of billions more than even the House Plan. Some Senators are worried this will close dozens of rural hospitals. I am sure they will be fine.

Senate GOP leader faces pushback after members blindsided by Trump bill​

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5355927-thune-senate-medita-cuts/

Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) is facing strong pushback from members of the GOP conference over the Finance Committee’s piece of President Trump’s tax and spending bill, which largely ignores GOP senators’ concerns about Medicaid cuts and the quick phaseout of clean-energy tax credits.

Senate Republicans who raised red flags over Medicaid spending cuts the House passed say they were blindsided by the Senate’s version of the bill, which would cut Medicaid by several hundred billion dollars beyond what the House proposed.


They are warning that the Finance Committee’s language will cause dozens of rural hospitals to close in their home states, require lower-income Americans to pay more for medical procedures and shift costs onto the states.

“I had no idea that they were going to completely scrap the House framework like this. This totally caught me by surprise. And I’ve talked to other senators, and that’s what I’ve heard consistently from everybody I’ve talked to,” said Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), who has repeatedly warned about the impact of Medicaid cuts on his constituents and rural hospitals.

“No one was expecting this entirely new framework,” he said.

 

[Darkwind]

Why are rural hospitals not being funded by the State?

 

[1srelluc]

There must be a lot of congress-critter rice bowls in jeopardy.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Why are rural hospitals not being funded by the State?

Because the red states are MAGA states and not actually concerned about rural areas?

 

[pknopp]

Less funding for health care and more for wars. Psychopaths, all of them.

 

[Darkwind]

Less funding for health care and more for wars. Psychopaths, all of them.

Nothing said about funding for wars. That is on the democrats anyway, always wanting to fund wars like the Russia/Ukraine war.

 

[22lcidw]

Because the red states are MAGA states and not actually concerned about rural areas?

So, the rural hospitals are as busy as the city and inner-city hospitals. The police, fire and medical services that deliver patients to hospitals will prove it all out. We know where the money goes. The real dollars.

 

[1srelluc]

"Mah Rural Hospitals" is the gope's equivalent of cutting fire and police that the dems use all the time when cuts are proposed.

 

[buckeye]

I'm fine with medicaid cuts. It's such a poorly run program. There was a time when I qualified for Medicaid but refused it because it was so incredibly stupid that I qualified.

Obamacare changed eligibility to income without consideration of assets.

 

[Zincwarrior]

So, you're just a liar. But I knew that.

Now, how about you go away and think about why rural hospitals should be funded by an all powerful central government instead of the state in which they reside?

Should take you about 200 years with your IQ.

You didn't make any statements, just insults.
You can answer your own question. Why do MAGA states not fund rural hospitals?

 

[Crepitus]

There must be a lot of congress-critter rice bowls in jeopardy.

If you kill off their constituents they are out of a job.

 

[Seymour Flops]

City dwellers live in cities that are often dirty, crowded, dangerous and run by Democrats, if that last is not redundant.

They live in those poor conditions because the city is where the jobs are and business districts, along with services like fire, ambulance, police, and hospitals.

Rural dwellers choose to live in areas that are cleaner, less crowded, and less dangerous. They accept that they will have limited employment, shopping, fire and police, and longer drives to city hospitals when needed.

Can anyone from either party explain why the hard-working city dwellers, who often only see clean and safe rural areas on vacations, should be forced to subsidize city-like medical services for rural folk?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Can anyone from either party explain why the hard-working city dwellers, who often only see clean and safe rural areas on vacations, should be forced to subsidize city-like medical services for rural folk?

Are you arguing states should not support rural hospitals, or that cities should ban residents from other counties?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Senate members are pushing back on proposals to cut Medicaid by hundreds of billions more than even the House Plan. Some Senators are worried this will close dozens of rural hospitals. I am sure they will be fine.

Senate GOP leader faces pushback after members blindsided by Trump bill​

Republicans are incapable of sound, responsible governance.

 

[Darkwind]

You didn't make any statements, just insults.
You can answer your own question. Why do MAGA states not fund rural hospitals?

I'm not surprised you couldn't do it.


Answer simply, as it is the only way you can answer.

WHY is the Federal Government funding Rural Hospitals? That is the responsibility of the States.

I don't want to pay for a rural hospital in Maine when I live in Pennsyvlania.

So, why?

 

[Darkwind]

Republicans are incapable of sound, responsible governance.

Funding rural hospitals by an all powerful centralized government is NOT responsible governance. Idiot.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Are you arguing states should not support rural hospitals,

I'm asking if there is a cogent argument that city dwellers should support, i.e. pay for, hospital services for rural dwellers.

I take it from your question that you believe that states (taxpayers) should pay for hospitals for people who choose to live in lightly populated areas? Why should those taxpayers pay for the pleasant country lifestyle of others?

How is that a better idea than those in lighly populated areas simply moving closer to the hospitals?

or that cities should ban residents from other counties?

I have no idea how you could take that from anything I said since I joined this forum.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I'm not surprised you couldn't do it.


Answer simply, as it is the only way you can answer.

WHY is the Federal Government funding Rural Hospitals? That is the responsibility of the States.

I don't want to pay for a rural hospital in Maine when I live in Pennsyvlania.

So, why?

Because the representatives of the people - Congress - decided it would be a good thing.
And now answer your own question. Why are states even now allowing rural hospitals to fail?

I'm asking if there is a cogent argument that city dwellers should support hospital services for rural dwellers.

So you are arguing states should not support rural hospitals? Thats cool I guess. I live in a greater metro with two hospitals within 8 minutes of me (as I realized when the wife broke her wrist), and rural hospitals have no benefit to me.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Because the representatives of the people - Congress - decided it would be a good thing.

If that is truly your standard, then you must love the Big Beautiful Bill, and will also love the version that the House and Senate send to Trump.

And now answer your own question. Why are states even now allowing rural hospitals to fail?

If they are failing now, then this bill will not be responsible for any failure.

So you are arguing states should not support rural hospitals?

Again, I'm asking if you have an argument that taxpayers should fund hospitals that fail due to lack of patients who use them?

Thats cool I guess. I live in a greater metro with two hospitals within 8 minutes of me (as I realized when the wife broke her wrist), and rural hospitals have no benefit to me.

No, they would not. Nor anyone, other than the people who choose to live near it.

Do you think that these rural hospitals should be subsidized enough that they can hire the best oncologists, cardiologists, neurologists, psychiatrists, surgeons, radiologists, along with a host of Physician's Assistants, Nurses, CNA's, cafeteria workers, orderlies, security, and administration so the match the best Big City Hospitals?

We should spend that money even if those highly talented people mainly wait for the rare cases in which a farmer gets his hand caught in the thresher?

It's not your fault that you haven't considered this angle. It seems to be a given for many people that when people choose to live in unlivable areas, it is up to those of us who choose to live in livable areas to pay to make the unlivable livable.

It seems like a crazy idea, but it is widely accepted.

I don't know how that thought process came about, but I suspect it has happened due to multiple scams asking for charity for people who choose to live in the desert, or other unlivable areas, and are surprised that they face hunger.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Again, I'm asking if you have an argument that taxpayers should fund hospitals that fail due to lack of patients who use them?

While I disagree, I recognize that you are at least consistent in your view.