Secret Service Violates Congressman's Privacy

[Sun Devil 92]

So guy who wasn't good enough to get into the Secret Service is in charge of looking at what the Secret Service does?

That is a scandal.

Your logic is flawed, Chaffetz is a congressman and congress has oversight authority over the departments of the executive, it would be like saying since Congress critter XYZ wasn't qualified for an Astronaut slot he/she can't participate in the oversight NASA, would be an absolutely unworkable situation and a prohibition like that has never even be contemplated or proposed (for good reason).

I think his conflict of interest IS in the public interest. It shows he goes in with a bias.

I think the Secret Service probably does need some serious reforms. I'm just not sure a washout out like Chaffetz is the guy to do it.

Can you provide evidence he did something wrong in his position ?

There is no evidence he did anything wrong in this case, he's the victim the Secret Service is the perpetrator, all the rest is just noise attempting to essentially paint Chaffetz as "asking for it"... lawyers use the same tactic a lot to defend accused rapists, sometimes it works.

If there is no evidence he did anything wrong, then I fail to see the value in bringing up he was "washed out".

First, we don't know why. Maybe he had a bad knee ?

The man is no dummy. I've watched him and while I don't agree with him, his arguments are pretty cogent.

If the S.S. violated his privacy by letting information out, the people involved should pay and possibly do some time.

With our hypersensitive regard for privacy....this seems wrong.

Of course, in reflection......if he did anything wrong....shouldn't he be called on it regardless.

 

[SwimExpert]

What is it complete non sequitur day or something?

Two instances of information being leaked to the press, to the detriment of some individual who is effectively an opponent of the Administration. In both instances, the Administration is accused of purposely leaking the information to exact retribution.

Nope, no similarity there.

 

[NightFox]

So guy who wasn't good enough to get into the Secret Service is in charge of looking at what the Secret Service does?

That is a scandal.

Your logic is flawed, Chaffetz is a congressman and congress has oversight authority over the departments of the executive, it would be like saying since Congress critter XYZ wasn't qualified for an Astronaut slot he/she can't participate in the oversight NASA, would be an absolutely unworkable situation and a prohibition like that has never even be contemplated or proposed (for good reason).

I think his conflict of interest IS in the public interest. It shows he goes in with a bias.

I think the Secret Service probably does need some serious reforms. I'm just not sure a washout out like Chaffetz is the guy to do it.

Can you provide evidence he did something wrong in his position ?

There is no evidence he did anything wrong in this case, he's the victim the Secret Service is the perpetrator, all the rest is just noise attempting to essentially paint Chaffetz as "asking for it"... lawyers use the same tactic a lot to defend accused rapists, sometimes it works.

If there is no evidence he did anything wrong, then I fail to see the value in bringing up he was "washed out".
.

The value of bringing it up is to foment the sort of unsubstantiated, wild speculation that is going on in this very thread, to whit: Chaffetz criticism of the Secret Service was based on animosity toward the Secret Service that he derived because he was turned down for a job by them, in other words deflect from the actual problems that were the focus of Chaffetz's criticism and to publicly embarrass him in an attempt to silence said criticism.

 

[Synthaholic]

Rep Chaffetz applied to work for the Secret Service many years ago and wasnt hired.

And now he has a vendetta against them.

We can't trust any conclusions he comes to about them.

When are Republicans going to stop trying to use the power of the Federal government to settle scores?

 

[NightFox]

What is it complete non sequitur day or something?

Two instances of information being leaked to the press, to the detriment of some individual who is effectively an opponent of the Administration. In both instances, the Administration is accused of purposely leaking the information to exact retribution.

Nope, no similarity there.

So the conclusion that you are attempting to put forward based on this (supremely thin) connection is what ? This Administration has been accused of all sorts of things (just like EVERY Administration has been) doesn't mean that every past accusation applies to every situation that could possibly be seen as similar. In this case I think it's pretty clear that certain people in the Secret Service took Chaffetz criticism personally and set about to embarrass him and there is no evidence that anybody outside the Secret Service had any knowledge of what they were up to.

 

[The Rabbi]

Rep Chaffetz applied to work for the Secret Service many years ago and wasnt hired.

And now he has a vendetta against them.

We can't trust any conclusions he comes to about them.

When are Republicans going to stop trying to use the power of the Federal government to settle scores?

They released confidential information about him. Even if he had a vendetta against them, which he doesnt, that is still a crime.
What part of that did you miss?

 

[Synthaholic]

Rep Chaffetz applied to work for the Secret Service many years ago and wasnt hired.

And now he has a vendetta against them.

We can't trust any conclusions he comes to about them.

When are Republicans going to stop trying to use the power of the Federal government to settle scores?

They released confidential information about him. Even if he had a vendetta against them, which he doesnt, that is still a crime.
What part of that did you miss?

I agree that was wrong. But Chaffetz should recuse himself from anything having to do with them.

 

[SwimExpert]

So the conclusion that you are attempting to put forward based on this (supremely thin) connection is what ?

All I said is that this is definitely worse than that one.

 

[The Rabbi]

Rep Chaffetz applied to work for the Secret Service many years ago and wasnt hired.

And now he has a vendetta against them.

We can't trust any conclusions he comes to about them.

When are Republicans going to stop trying to use the power of the Federal government to settle scores?

They released confidential information about him. Even if he had a vendetta against them, which he doesnt, that is still a crime.
What part of that did you miss?

I agree that was wrong. But Chaffetz should recuse himself from anything having to do with them.

Why? There is no precedent for such a thing.

 

[NightFox]

So the conclusion that you are attempting to put forward based on this (supremely thin) connection is what ?

All I said is that this is definitely worse than that one.

Mmmkkayy.... opinion noted, thanks for sharing.

 

[Timmy]

Guess HILLARY was right to tell that secrete service agent to **** off.

Why doesn't congress just investigate?

 

[JoeB131]

So you think civilian control of the military is a bad idea as well?

If they were all guys who washed out in Basic Training, and were holding a grudge, then, yeah, I'd be a bit concerned about that.

 

[Dad2three]

The Plame affair (also known as the CIA leak scandal and Plamegate) was a political scandal that revolved around journalist Robert Novak's public identification of Valerie Plame as a covert Central Intelligence Agency officer in 2003.
<snip more irrelevant bullshit>.......

What is it complete non sequitur day or something? Nobody ever tells me about these hallmark holidays.......

Oh right the Klown who wants to be "moderate" wants to forget what happened under 8 years of Dubya/Cheney's reign of error. Shocking

Hint the OP's link to "this administration"???

ZOMG! Bush lied us into 9/11!!!! ZOMG!! Bush was the worst ever!!!
How about addressing the crimes of this administration, asshole? Why arent you up in arms over the violation of Chaffets' privacy? Because if they can do that to a sitting congressman they can do it to you and me.

Sorry I forgot EVERYTHING before Obama is off base in right wing "reality"...lol

 

[Dad2three]

The Plame affair (also known as the CIA leak scandal and Plamegate) was a political scandal that revolved around journalist Robert Novak's public identification of Valerie Plame as a covert Central Intelligence Agency officer in 2003.
<snip more irrelevant bullshit>.......

What is it complete non sequitur day or something? Nobody ever tells me about these hallmark holidays.......

Oh right the Klown who wants to be "moderate" wants to forget what happened under 8 years of Dubya/Cheney's reign of error. Shocking

Interesting, I've never been accused of being "moderate" before... nice of change of pace I suppose. What's even more interesting is the fact that apparently believe you can substitute vitriol for an actual argument (hint: won't work only serves to make you look silly).

Hint the OP's link to "this administration"???

Still doesn't explain why you believe that story has anything to do with the Secret Service attempting to silence Chaffetz by leaking confidential information, don't you think that the problem is with the Secret Service and that it should be addressed post haste? Or do you honestly believe that attempting to apply moral equivalency to this situation is going to fix the clear and undeniable problems with the organization that is entrusted with protecting the President?

Vitriol? You "think" Rabbi's doing that? Wow


Yep, worst thing EVER to have the SS go after a wingnutter like Chaffetz right? Worse even than Ronnie trading arms for hostages with IRAN!

 

[RodISHI]

So guy who wasn't good enough to get into the Secret Service is in charge of looking at what the Secret Service does?

That is a scandal.

Your logic is flawed, Chaffetz is a congressman and congress has oversight authority over the departments of the executive, it would be like saying since Congress critter XYZ wasn't qualified for an Astronaut slot he/she can't participate in the oversight NASA, would be an absolutely unworkable situation and a prohibition like that has never even be contemplated or proposed (for good reason).

When you aren't qualified to be hired and then you gain oversight over such a thing, that is an obvious conflict of interest.

So i guess that means EPA should get rid of all the lawyers and policy wonks they have, and hire only scientists and engineers.

Add in there not the same ones that work for those who are they are suppose to be watching and you may have some common sense in that agency.

 

[NightFox]

The Plame affair (also known as the CIA leak scandal and Plamegate) was a political scandal that revolved around journalist Robert Novak's public identification of Valerie Plame as a covert Central Intelligence Agency officer in 2003.
<snip more irrelevant bullshit>.......

What is it complete non sequitur day or something? Nobody ever tells me about these hallmark holidays.......

Oh right the Klown who wants to be "moderate" wants to forget what happened under 8 years of Dubya/Cheney's reign of error. Shocking

Interesting, I've never been accused of being "moderate" before... nice of change of pace I suppose. What's even more interesting is the fact that apparently believe you can substitute vitriol for an actual argument (hint: won't work only serves to make you look silly).

Hint the OP's link to "this administration"???

Still doesn't explain why you believe that story has anything to do with the Secret Service attempting to silence Chaffetz by leaking confidential information, don't you think that the problem is with the Secret Service and that it should be addressed post haste? Or do you honestly believe that attempting to apply moral equivalency to this situation is going to fix the clear and undeniable problems with the organization that is entrusted with protecting the President?

Vitriol? You "think" Rabbi's doing that? Wow

Er..um...I wasn't responding to Rabbi I was responding to you and I don't think you (Dad2three, in case you forget who you are again) were attempting to substitute vitriol for an actual argument I know you were. .

Yep, worst thing EVER to have the SS go after a wingnutter like Chaffetz right? Worse even than Ronnie trading arms for hostages with IRAN!

You failed to respond coherently to anything I posted, color me not surprised.

Tschuss

 

[The Rabbi]

The Plame affair (also known as the CIA leak scandal and Plamegate) was a political scandal that revolved around journalist Robert Novak's public identification of Valerie Plame as a covert Central Intelligence Agency officer in 2003.
<snip more irrelevant bullshit>.......

What is it complete non sequitur day or something? Nobody ever tells me about these hallmark holidays.......

Oh right the Klown who wants to be "moderate" wants to forget what happened under 8 years of Dubya/Cheney's reign of error. Shocking

Interesting, I've never been accused of being "moderate" before... nice of change of pace I suppose. What's even more interesting is the fact that apparently believe you can substitute vitriol for an actual argument (hint: won't work only serves to make you look silly).

Hint the OP's link to "this administration"???

Still doesn't explain why you believe that story has anything to do with the Secret Service attempting to silence Chaffetz by leaking confidential information, don't you think that the problem is with the Secret Service and that it should be addressed post haste? Or do you honestly believe that attempting to apply moral equivalency to this situation is going to fix the clear and undeniable problems with the organization that is entrusted with protecting the President?

Vitriol? You "think" Rabbi's doing that? Wow

Er..um...I wasn't responding to Rabbi I was responding to you and I don't think you (Dad2three, in case you forget who you are again) were attempting to substitute vitriol for an actual argument I know you were. .

Yep, worst thing EVER to have the SS go after a wingnutter like Chaffetz right? Worse even than Ronnie trading arms for hostages with IRAN!

You failed to respond coherently to anything I posted, color me not surprised.

Tschuss

Dad is a drooling idiot. The only thing he is "Dad" to is three turds floating in a toilet. That's why he's on my Iggy list.

 

[Dad2three]

The Plame affair (also known as the CIA leak scandal and Plamegate) was a political scandal that revolved around journalist Robert Novak's public identification of Valerie Plame as a covert Central Intelligence Agency officer in 2003.
<snip more irrelevant bullshit>.......

What is it complete non sequitur day or something? Nobody ever tells me about these hallmark holidays.......

Oh right the Klown who wants to be "moderate" wants to forget what happened under 8 years of Dubya/Cheney's reign of error. Shocking

Interesting, I've never been accused of being "moderate" before... nice of change of pace I suppose. What's even more interesting is the fact that apparently believe you can substitute vitriol for an actual argument (hint: won't work only serves to make you look silly).

Hint the OP's link to "this administration"???

Still doesn't explain why you believe that story has anything to do with the Secret Service attempting to silence Chaffetz by leaking confidential information, don't you think that the problem is with the Secret Service and that it should be addressed post haste? Or do you honestly believe that attempting to apply moral equivalency to this situation is going to fix the clear and undeniable problems with the organization that is entrusted with protecting the President?

Vitriol? You "think" Rabbi's doing that? Wow

Er..um...I wasn't responding to Rabbi I was responding to you and I don't think you (Dad2three, in case you forget who you are again) were attempting to substitute vitriol for an actual argument I know you were. .

Yep, worst thing EVER to have the SS go after a wingnutter like Chaffetz right? Worse even than Ronnie trading arms for hostages with IRAN!

You failed to respond coherently to anything I posted, color me not surprised.

Tschuss

Yep, without distortions, false premises and lies, what WOULD you right wingers EVER have Bubs?

 

[Dad2three]

What is it complete non sequitur day or something? Nobody ever tells me about these hallmark holidays.......

Oh right the Klown who wants to be "moderate" wants to forget what happened under 8 years of Dubya/Cheney's reign of error. Shocking

Interesting, I've never been accused of being "moderate" before... nice of change of pace I suppose. What's even more interesting is the fact that apparently believe you can substitute vitriol for an actual argument (hint: won't work only serves to make you look silly).

Hint the OP's link to "this administration"???

Still doesn't explain why you believe that story has anything to do with the Secret Service attempting to silence Chaffetz by leaking confidential information, don't you think that the problem is with the Secret Service and that it should be addressed post haste? Or do you honestly believe that attempting to apply moral equivalency to this situation is going to fix the clear and undeniable problems with the organization that is entrusted with protecting the President?

Vitriol? You "think" Rabbi's doing that? Wow

Er..um...I wasn't responding to Rabbi I was responding to you and I don't think you (Dad2three, in case you forget who you are again) were attempting to substitute vitriol for an actual argument I know you were. .

Yep, worst thing EVER to have the SS go after a wingnutter like Chaffetz right? Worse even than Ronnie trading arms for hostages with IRAN!

You failed to respond coherently to anything I posted, color me not surprised.

Tschuss

Dad is a drooling idiot. The only thing he is "Dad" to is three turds floating in a toilet. That's why he's on my Iggy list.

lol, From a Klown who "believes" in the Randian myth. Good riddance...

 

[martybegan]

So you think civilian control of the military is a bad idea as well?

If they were all guys who washed out in Basic Training, and were holding a grudge, then, yeah, I'd be a bit concerned about that.

You don't get to make that call, and more importantly, the guys in uniform don't get to make that either. Civilian control of the military is paramount, even when the current guy in control is an inept moron.