Secondhand Smoke Threat Confirmed as a Lie

[Viktor]

Lie or not, just don't expect me to sit in a restaurant near someone else who is smoking. I can't stand the stink and it lessens the enjoyment of my meal. As far as I'm concerned, their rights stop at my nose.

Silly statement ^^^^^**

But you do have the right to act silly

ALL RESTAURANTS, BARS AND PUBLIC BUILDINGS IN CALIFORNIA BAN SMOKING ALREADY. i DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT YOYO IS TALKING ABOUT.

 

[novasteve]

Link is here to the abstract

 

[BobPlumb]

If you don't think there should be smoking areas in bars where non smokers don't have to enter should bathrooms be eliminated to prevent people inhaling fart and shit particles?

Having a smoking area in a restaurant is a lot like having a peeing area in a swimming pool.

That said, I am a free market person. If people that own a restaurant want smoking to be allowed, I'll just eat somewhere else ( or order take out if the food is really good).

 

[novasteve]

Dry cleaned clothes give off carcinogenic fumes. Where's the ban on wearing dey cleaned clothes?

 

[Zander]

Makes sense to me. The government doesn't seem to have a clue about most things. For an excellent example of this - just look at the asinine Food Pyramid they pimped on us for 50 years. They recommended we eat lots of grains and pasta - and told us to avoid meat and fats. The exact opposite of what is actually healthy for a human. As a result, Americans got fatter and fatter....thanks Uncle Sam!!

Anyway, I am not condoning (nor condemning!) smoking. It's a bad habit that degrades the health of the smoker and is an addiction. But secondhand smoke? I am not convinced it's the hazard that the authoritarians claim.

Humans lived in caves for thousands of years. We lit fires in those caves to keep warm. We breathed in huge quantities of smoke (and ate dirt too no sinks and running water to wash with). Yet somehow we not only survived, we thrived! Our brains got larger and larger until we became the dominant species on the planet.

Now pussified over-sensitive wimps get even one tiny whiff of cigarette smoke and immediately start to whimper like little sissies? The poor things, they need protection from the smell of smoke? Sorry, I'm not buying it.....

PS- I don't smoke cigarettes, but do occasionally enjoy a cigar.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Lie or not, just don't expect me to sit in a restaurant near someone else who is smoking. I can't stand the stink and it lessens the enjoyment of my meal. As far as I'm concerned, their rights stop at my nose.

Exactly.

Even if it were proven that second hand smoke isn't harmful, it stinks. I quit and I don't want to stink like that ever again.

Smoke if you want to. Its dumb. You know its dumb and I know its dumb but I don't care if you want to be sick and stink.

But I don't go where smokers are you don't get to smoke where I am.

And, I'll fight having to pay your medical bills.

Take responsibility for what you say and do.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Lie or not, just don't expect me to sit in a restaurant near someone else who is smoking. I can't stand the stink and it lessens the enjoyment of my meal. As far as I'm concerned, their rights stop at my nose.

Silly statement ^^^^^**

But you do have the right to act silly

I agree with him.

Why don't you stop hiding behind name calling and say why you think its a silly statement.

(Yes, I know ... The truth is you're a heavy smoker and you want to force others to share your filthy addiction.)

 

[novasteve]

So if people reacted to gays the way you do to smoking it would be okay to ban gays? See what a bigot you ? You ban things you don't approve of.

 

[novasteve]

Lie or not, just don't expect me to sit in a restaurant near someone else who is smoking. I can't stand the stink and it lessens the enjoyment of my meal. As far as I'm concerned, their rights stop at my nose.

Exactly.

Even if it were proven that second hand smoke isn't harmful, it stinks. I quit and I don't want to stink like that ever again.

Smoke if you want to. Its dumb. You know its dumb and I know its dumb but I don't care if you want to be sick and stink.

But I don't go where smokers are you don't get to smoke where I am.

And, I'll fight having to pay your medical bills.

Take responsibility for what you say and do.

If you think it's okay to not want to pay the medical bills of smokers due to the risks of their behavior(ignore the high taxes they pay tgT allegedly go to these costs) you would think it's okay to not want to pay the costs of gay men and the health costs if their lifestyles too? Obamacare doesn't allow gays to be charged more for insurance despite them costing more to cover meaning the cost of their lifestyle is passed onto others.

 

[Viktor]

Lie or not, just don't expect me to sit in a restaurant near someone else who is smoking. I can't stand the stink and it lessens the enjoyment of my meal. As far as I'm concerned, their rights stop at my nose.

Exactly.

Even if it were proven that second hand smoke isn't harmful, it stinks. I quit and I don't want to stink like that ever again.

Smoke if you want to. Its dumb. You know its dumb and I know its dumb but I don't care if you want to be sick and stink.

But I don't go where smokers are you don't get to smoke where I am.

And, I'll fight having to pay your medical bills.

Take responsibility for what you say and do.

Under Obamacare you will be paying the bills of smokers, alcoholics,
drug abusers, sex offenders and sky divers.Welcome to America.

 

[novasteve]

Lie or not, just don't expect me to sit in a restaurant near someone else who is smoking. I can't stand the stink and it lessens the enjoyment of my meal. As far as I'm concerned, their rights stop at my nose.

Exactly.

Even if it were proven that second hand smoke isn't harmful, it stinks. I quit and I don't want to stink like that ever again.

Smoke if you want to. Its dumb. You know its dumb and I know its dumb but I don't care if you want to be sick and stink.

But I don't go where smokers are you don't get to smoke where I am.

And, I'll fight having to pay your medical bills.

Take responsibility for what you say and do.

Under Obamacare you will be paying the bills of smokers, alcoholics,
drug abusers, sex offenders and sky divers.Welcome to America.

Smokers can be charged higher rates in addition to the taxes they already pay on cigarettes which already more than cover the cost of smoking related illnesses.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Lie or not, just don't expect me to sit in a restaurant near someone else who is smoking. I can't stand the stink and it lessens the enjoyment of my meal. As far as I'm concerned, their rights stop at my nose.

Exactly.

Even if it were proven that second hand smoke isn't harmful, it stinks. I quit and I don't want to stink like that ever again.

Smoke if you want to. Its dumb. You know its dumb and I know its dumb but I don't care if you want to be sick and stink.

But I don't go where smokers are you don't get to smoke where I am.

And, I'll fight having to pay your medical bills.

Take responsibility for what you say and do.

Under Obamacare you will be paying the bills of smokers, alcoholics,
drug abusers, sex offenders and sky divers.Welcome to America.

Under Reagan's socialist EMTALA, we pay a lot more.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Exactly.

Even if it were proven that second hand smoke isn't harmful, it stinks. I quit and I don't want to stink like that ever again.

Smoke if you want to. Its dumb. You know its dumb and I know its dumb but I don't care if you want to be sick and stink.

But I don't go where smokers are you don't get to smoke where I am.

And, I'll fight having to pay your medical bills.

Take responsibility for what you say and do.

Under Obamacare you will be paying the bills of smokers, alcoholics,
drug abusers, sex offenders and sky divers.Welcome to America.

Smokers can be charged higher rates in addition to the taxes they already pay on cigarettes which already more than cover the cost of smoking related illnesses.

Really. So you disagree that "Under Obamacare you will be paying the bills of smokers..."

You say that taxes smokers are paying for their lung cancer and other smoking-related illnesses now? I'm glad to know that and I'm sure you wouldn't mind posting a

LINK.

 

[novasteve]

Under Obamacare you will be paying the bills of smokers, alcoholics,
drug abusers, sex offenders and sky divers.Welcome to America.

Smokers can be charged higher rates in addition to the taxes they already pay on cigarettes which already more than cover the cost of smoking related illnesses.

Really. So you disagree that "Under Obamacare you will be paying the bills of smokers..."

You say that taxes smokers are paying for their lung cancer and other smoking-related illnesses now? I'm glad to know that and I'm sure you wouldn't mind posting a

LINK.

What do you think 12 taxes per pack in NYC and Chicago go towards?

 

[Agit8r]

I'm sure all the misanthropes can feel better about giving their "loved"-ones asthma and emphysema now

 

[novasteve]

I'm sure all the misanthropes can feel better about giving their "loved"-ones asthma and emphysema now

Guess we need to ban cars and trucks then

 

[Vox]

No, they did not. Did you actually read the study?

or just the blog?

Did you?

However,[ among women who had never smoked[/B], exposure to passive smoking[/] overall, and to most categories of passive smoking, [SIdid not statistically significantly increase lung cancer risk.[/SIZE] The only category of exposure that showed a trend toward increased risk was living in the same house with a smoker for 30 years or more.

It is preposterous for us to worry about second hand smoke but to ignore the fact that we have 200,000,000 vehicles in this country that[COLOR *spew more poison into the air in one hour than a smoker spews into the air in a year.*[/COLOR]


* completely made up statistic alert![

you obviously did not read the study

did you check who PAID for it?

yes, the tobacco industry paid for a cohort epidemiological "study" which can be manipulated any way you want it.

But even in it the DIRECT relationship with second hand smoking IN THE HOUSE and cancer was present.


Let us look closer to who conducted the analysis and WHO PAID for it.

Eureka LOL - the tobacco industry paid for the "study"


Paper
Environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality in a prospective study of Californians, 1960-98
James E Enstrom, researcher ([email protected])1,
Geoffrey C Kabat, associate professor2,
Davey Smith, Editorial



In recent years JEE has received funds originating from the tobacco industry for his tobacco related epidemiological research because it has been impossible for him to obtain equivalent funds from other sources. GCK never received funds originating from the tobacco industry until last year, when he conducted an epidemiological review for a law firm which has several tobacco companies as clients.

Ladies and gentleman - do we need to say MORE

the ones who pay - request the music.


Especially in a so-called "epidemiological cohort study" where biased conclusions are at every corner as the interpretation bias and selection bias are the base of the moving the "study" to any direction the tobacco industry paid for

 

[Vox]

My nana has emphesema from passive smoking. My pop died from lung cancer. My uncle died a few weeks ago after two lung transplants which he needed because smokes had damaged his body.

Don't ever say that passive smoking is a lie.

It is not a lie.

this so-called "study" is a LIE, or, I would rather say sensationalization of the results by the media is a LIE

Paid for by tobacco industry.

 

[Vox]

and even in that study, paid by tobacco industry the results CONFIRMED the increased risks for asthma, COPD and emphysema and lung cancer for second hand smokers:

As expected, there was a strong, positive dose-response relation between active cigarette smoking and deaths from coronary heart disease, lung cancer, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease during 1960-98
As it is generally considered that exposure to environmental tobacco smoke is roughly equivalent to smoking one cigarette per day,4 we extrapolated the relative risk due to exposure to environmental tobacco smoke from the relative risks for smoking 1-9 cigarettes per day. These extrapolated relative risks were about 1.03 for coronary heart disease and about 1.20 for lung cancer and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Based on these findings, exposure to environmental tobacco smoke could not plausibly cause a 30% increase in risk of coronary heart disease in this cohort, although a 20% increase in risk of lung cancer and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease could not be ruled out.

 

[Vox]

Lie or not, just don't expect me to sit in a restaurant near someone else who is smoking. I can't stand the stink and it lessens the enjoyment of my meal. As far as I'm concerned, their rights stop at my nose.

Exactly.

Even if it were proven that second hand smoke isn't harmful, it stinks. I quit and I don't want to stink like that ever again.

Smoke if you want to. Its dumb. You know its dumb and I know its dumb but I don't care if you want to be sick and stink.

But I don't go where smokers are you don't get to smoke where I am.

And, I'll fight having to pay your medical bills.

Take responsibility for what you say and do.

It WAS not proven to be harmless

Quite to the contrary - even in the study paid by tobacco industry the researchers could not discard the causation of the COPD and other lung diseases by second hand smoke.

They also proved a strong correlation and causation with a second hand smoke and lung cancer if the smoker spouse smokes in the house - and if he smokes outside - this should not even be discussed ( one of the types of biases in the study)