SCotUS hears case on "ghost guns"

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Case: Garland v. VanDerStok
Text of oral arguments: https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-852_ca7d.pdf

Subject of case: The 2022 ATF interpretation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 with respect to 'ghost gun' kits -- package of parts that allow the creation of an unserialized firearms -- the ATF holds that such kits are, themselves, firearms, and if for sale, must be serialized and then sold like any other firearm, including a background check.

Most people do not understand the issue here -specifically, what a "ghost gun kit" is and how it "works".
I shall explain:

In general, with a 'ghost gun' kit, you get these, or similar, parts:

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You also get a part similar to this:

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What do you have when you put them together?

Nothing.
In fact, you --can't-- put them all together.
And so, unarguably, you do not have a firearm.
But the ATF wants to -call- it a firearm and -regulate- it like a firearm.
Even though you cannot put the parts together, and you cannot shoot anything through it.

This is an obvious case of ATF overreach, and will be struck for the same reasons as the court struck the bump-stock ban --- Congress can, and did, define the terms it used in its legislation and the ATS does not get to change those definitions to suit its purposes.






 
Case: Garland v. VanDerStok
Text of oral arguments: https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-852_ca7d.pdf

Subject of case: The 2022 ATF interpretation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 with respect to 'ghost gun' kits -- package of parts that allow the creation of an unserialized firearms -- the ATF holds that such kits are, themselves, firearms, and if for sale, must be serialized and then sold like any other firearm, including a background check.

Most people do not understand the issue here -specifically, what a "ghost gun kit" is and how it "works".
I shall explain:

In general, with a 'ghost gun' kit, you get these, or similar, parts:

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You also get a part similar to this:

View attachment 1025247

What do you have when you put them together?

Nothing.
In fact, you --can't-- put them all together.
And so, unarguably, you do not have a firearm.
But the ATF wants to -call- it a firearm and -regulate- it like a firearm.
Even though you cannot put the parts together, and you cannot shoot anything through it.

This is an obvious case of ATF overreach, and will be struck for the same reasons as the court struck the bump-stock ban --- Congress can, and did, define the terms it used in its legislation and the ATS does not get to change those definitions to suit its purposes.
is it only about the kits or any gun even if you make it from scratch at home,,
 
thios scares the hell out of me

The Gun Control Act imposesstraightforward but essential requirements.Firearms sellers and manufacturers must marktheir products with serial numbers, maintainsales records, and conduct background checks.The industry has followed those conditionswithout difficulty for more than half a century,and those basic requirements are crucial tosolving gun crimes and keeping guns out of the
 
And correctly so, as there is no other use for any of it.
What uses are there for a non-firearm?
Paperweight?
Mantle ornamentation?
Theatrical prop?

The clear and simple fact it cannot be used to fire a projectile necessitates that it does NOT meet the definition of a firearm as Congress defined it.
 
thios scares the hell out of me
The Gun Control Act imposesstraightforward but essential requirements.Firearms sellers and manufacturers must marktheir products with serial numbers, maintainsales records, and conduct background checks.The industry has followed those conditionswithout difficulty for more than half a century,and those basic requirements are crucial tosolving gun crimes and keeping guns out of the
M'kay...
But these kits aren't firearms.
 
The kits.
I think its more important to focus on the restriction/requirement aspect over is it a full gun or operable,,

there are to many laws that did nothing and we need to focus on repealing laws,,


hopefully this goes the right way,,
 
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