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It's kind of annoying when science denying idiots pollute topics in the science section with their ignorance. I don't want to deal with your stupid shit so I stay out of the religion section. It would be real nice of you all to do similarly with the science section.
Are you claiming that abiogenesis is possible or not?
 

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Nonsense because proteins including the ones mentioned are themselves created by DNA so what you propose is quite backwards and impossible
Precisely! But the true believers on this thread do not grasp the difference between abiogenesis and biochemical engineering.
 

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" Does Nature Include A Facility For Intuition "

* Complexities With Simple Beginnings *


This is just hypothesis. Nothing to do with science except jump to conclusions for evolution.
Instead, we find that there is intelligence behind the complex design in nature and how nature works. Thus, we need a creator who is timeless, spaceless, all-powerful, and intelligent -- God -- instead of regular nature.
NS would be to explain the variations within a species like humans or wolves. What you are referring to is survival of fittest which includes both favorable and unfavorable traits to a change in environment. It is not an immediate nor necessarily a positive change for all.
Is it correct to equate timelessness with eternal ?

A fundamental a priori premise ascribes that constructs of nature be self evident .

For something to be intelligible and form complex systems its subsystems would include a basis for order .

Those theories for monism posit a monad as an identity element , an infinitesimal , an irrational number with a geometry , as a basis for order .

An esoteric allusion for an irrational number is a quality of infinitude as an eternal state of being and becoming through some transition , with all comprised emulating the quality ; progeneration is an example of being and becoming through some transition .


* Implicit Capacity For Projection *
We still have to show amino acids form proteins outside the cell through abiogenesis. Besides that, the odds of forming life is using natural process including self-replicating catalytic amyloids is still virtually nil. Forming life is much more complex than using existing life already to form new life. Many scientists think instead of abiogenesis that panspermia was the method that life arrived on Earth. However, that means our knowledge is even further out into space as we do not know how a meteor, comet, or other space vehicle was able to bring life to Earth.
What you are doing by this piece of news is jumping to conclusions of how evolutionary mechanisms would form life by itself in nature. You still have not shown abiogenesis.
I was impressed with embedded information in amyloid conformer ; because , geometry includes projection that could facilitate the means to introspection .

Amyloid and the origin of life: self-replicating catalytic amyloids as prebiotic informational and protometabolic entities
In the encryption process, environmental information is encoded in the three-dimensional structure of the amyloid conformer [27, 28]. The nucleation-dependent replication system is in-put sensitive, chiroselective, and error correcting.


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Infinitesimal - Wikipedia
In mathematics, infinitesimals are things so small that there is no way to measure them. The insight with exploiting infinitesimals was that entities could still retain certain specific properties, such as angle or slope, even though these entities were quantitatively small.[1] The word infinitesimal comes from a 17th-century Modern Latin coinage infinitesimus, which originally referred to the "infinity-th" item in a sequence. Infinitesimals are a basic ingredient in the procedures of infinitesimal calculus as developed by Leibniz, including the law of continuity and the transcendental law of homogeneity. In common speech, an infinitesimal object is an object that is smaller than any feasible measurement, but not zero in size—or, so small that it cannot be distinguished from zero by any available means. Hence, when used as an adjective, "infinitesimal" means "extremely small". To give it a meaning, it usually must be compared to another infinitesimal object in the same context (as in a derivative). Infinitely many infinitesimals are summed to produce an integral.

Monism - Wikipedia
Monism attributes oneness or singleness (Greek: μόνος) to a concept e.g., existence. Various kinds of monism can be distinguished:

  • Priority monism states that all existing things go back to a source that is distinct from them; e.g., in Neoplatonism everything is derived from The One.[1] In this view only one thing is ontologically basic or prior to everything else.
  • Existence monism posits that, strictly speaking, there exists only a single thing, the Universe, which can only be artificially and arbitrarily divided into many things.[2]
  • Substance monism asserts that a variety of existing things can be explained in terms of a single reality or substance.[3] Substance monism posits that only one kind of stuff exists, although many things may be made up of this stuff, e.g., matter or mind.

* Infinity Numbers Algebraic And Transcendental *

This video is fantastic .



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Golden ratio - Wikipedia
Hyperreal number - Wikipedia

Transcendental number - Wikipedia

Fibonacci number - Wikipedia

Natural logarithm - Wikipedia
By Lindemann–Weierstrass theorem, the natural logarithm of any positive algebraic number other than 1 is a transcendental number.
Timelessness = the eternal now
 

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JULY 12, 2019 - By MATT WILLIAMS
Researchers May Have Found the Missing Piece of Evidence that Explains the Origins of Life
Researchers May Have Found the Missing Piece of Evidence that Explains the Origins of Life - Universe Today

The question of how life first emerged here on Earth is a mystery that continues to elude scientists. Despite everything that scientists have learned from the fossil record and geological history, it is still not known how organic life emerged from inorganic elements (a process known as abiogenesis) billions of years ago.​
One of the more daunting aspects of the mystery has to do with peptides and enzymes, which fall into something of a “chicken and egg” situation. Addressing this, a team of researchers from the University College London (UCL) recently conducted a study that effectively demonstrated that peptides could have formed in conditions analogus to primordial Earth."...."`​

From where, precisely, were these self-replicating catalytic amyloids harvested and from which even more complex organic material were they produced?

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Do you or do you not grasp the distinction between abiogenesis and biochemical engineering?
 

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Scientists Discover a Self-Replicating Protein Structure, And It Could Have Built The First Life on Earth
Mike McRae - 4 Mar 2018 - sciencealert.com
Scientists Discover a Self-Replicating Protein Structure, And It Could Have Built The First Life on Earth

Roughly 4 billion years ago an assortment of complex organic compounds went from being mere carbon soup to replicating biochemistry – the first steps to life on Earth.​
The order of these steps has been a source of debate for decades. Now, a recent discovery about a common protein structure could help tip the balance, bringing us closer to understanding just how we came to be here.​
Researchers from Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule (ETH) in Zürich have demonstrated that short strands of amyloid protein structures can direct the selection of amino acids to build even more amyloids.​
If the word amyloid doesn't sound familiar, they're a protein structure that's increasingly being found all over the place in nature.​
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That's nice. There weren't any proteins until after life developed.
 

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Scientists Discover a Self-Replicating Protein Structure, And It Could Have Built The First Life on Earth
Mike McRae - 4 Mar 2018 - sciencealert.com
Scientists Discover a Self-Replicating Protein Structure, And It Could Have Built The First Life on Earth

Roughly 4 billion years ago an assortment of complex organic compounds went from being mere carbon soup to replicating biochemistry – the first steps to life on Earth.​
The order of these steps has been a source of debate for decades. Now, a recent discovery about a common protein structure could help tip the balance, bringing us closer to understanding just how we came to be here.​
Researchers from Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule (ETH) in Zürich have demonstrated that short strands of amyloid protein structures can direct the selection of amino acids to build even more amyloids.​
If the word amyloid doesn't sound familiar, they're a protein structure that's increasingly being found all over the place in nature.​
[.....]​


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That's nice. There weren't any proteins until after life developed.
That's nice. The article you didn't read is on protein fragments.
 

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Scientists Discover a Self-Replicating Protein Structure, And It Could Have Built The First Life on Earth
Mike McRae - 4 Mar 2018 - sciencealert.com
Scientists Discover a Self-Replicating Protein Structure, And It Could Have Built The First Life on Earth

Roughly 4 billion years ago an assortment of complex organic compounds went from being mere carbon soup to replicating biochemistry – the first steps to life on Earth.​
The order of these steps has been a source of debate for decades. Now, a recent discovery about a common protein structure could help tip the balance, bringing us closer to understanding just how we came to be here.​
Researchers from Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule (ETH) in Zürich have demonstrated that short strands of amyloid protein structures can direct the selection of amino acids to build even more amyloids.​
If the word amyloid doesn't sound familiar, they're a protein structure that's increasingly being found all over the place in nature.​
[.....]​


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That's nice. There weren't any proteins until after life developed.
That's nice. The article you didn't read is on protein fragments.
Again... There weren't any proteins until after life developed, fragments or otherwise.
 

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Scientists Discover a Self-Replicating Protein Structure, And It Could Have Built The First Life on Earth
Mike McRae - 4 Mar 2018 - sciencealert.com
Scientists Discover a Self-Replicating Protein Structure, And It Could Have Built The First Life on Earth

Roughly 4 billion years ago an assortment of complex organic compounds went from being mere carbon soup to replicating biochemistry – the first steps to life on Earth.​
The order of these steps has been a source of debate for decades. Now, a recent discovery about a common protein structure could help tip the balance, bringing us closer to understanding just how we came to be here.​
Researchers from Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule (ETH) in Zürich have demonstrated that short strands of amyloid protein structures can direct the selection of amino acids to build even more amyloids.​
If the word amyloid doesn't sound familiar, they're a protein structure that's increasingly being found all over the place in nature.​
[.....]​


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That's nice. There weren't any proteins until after life developed.
That's nice. The article you didn't read is on protein fragments.
Again... There weren't any proteins until after life developed, fragments or otherwise.
False. That's literally the point of the research. But i am sure the scientists involved would get a good laugh out of you telling them that.
 

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If there is an intelligent definition of god, it would be that the earth and cosmos is god, though when H. sapiens anthropomorphizes it, H. sapiens loses it. The ‘hands’ on a clock is the pathology.
 

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Scientists Discover a Self-Replicating Protein Structure, And It Could Have Built The First Life on Earth
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Scientists Discover a Self-Replicating Protein Structure, And It Could Have Built The First Life on Earth

Roughly 4 billion years ago an assortment of complex organic compounds went from being mere carbon soup to replicating biochemistry – the first steps to life on Earth.​
The order of these steps has been a source of debate for decades. Now, a recent discovery about a common protein structure could help tip the balance, bringing us closer to understanding just how we came to be here.​
Researchers from Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule (ETH) in Zürich have demonstrated that short strands of amyloid protein structures can direct the selection of amino acids to build even more amyloids.​
If the word amyloid doesn't sound familiar, they're a protein structure that's increasingly being found all over the place in nature.​
[.....]​


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That's nice. There weren't any proteins until after life developed.
That's nice. The article you didn't read is on protein fragments.
Again... There weren't any proteins until after life developed, fragments or otherwise.
False. That's literally the point of the research. But i am sure the scientists involved would get a good laugh out of you telling them that.
Google proteins; they come in two flavors, animal and plant.
 

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The Miller-Urey experiment shows that amino acids are produced. You start with electricity and volcanic gases.
 
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Creating life from non-living organic precursors cannot be naturally observed, let alone demonstrated/duplicated in the first place. Not now, not ever! Biochemical engineering is not abiogenesis.
Were much closer to demonstrating/duplicating natural abiogenesis than you are with god!
LOFL!
Glad you Porked yourself with YOUR standard.
Like I said. NOT in my league

Time for some more poetry LOSER.
How many mbs LAUGHED You off so far?

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Creating life from non-living organic precursors cannot be naturally observed, let alone demonstrated/duplicated in the first place. Not now, not ever! Biochemical engineering is not abiogenesis.
Were much closer to demonstrating/duplicating natural abiogenesis than you are with god!
LOFL!
Glad you Porked yourself with YOUR standard.
Like I said. NOT in my league

Time for some more poetry LOSER.
How many mbs LAUGHED You off so far?

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You have absolutely no grasp of the realities of the matter.

Abiogenesis is the formation of life from nonliving organic material up from the most fundamental, precursor-molecular level by strictly natural means in raw nature.

By strictly natural means in raw nature!

Abiogenesis is not biochemical engineering. How could we ever demonstrate/duplicate, let alone observe, such a thing in the lab?
 

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Creating life from non-living organic precursors cannot be naturally observed, let alone demonstrated/duplicated in the first place. Not now, not ever! Biochemical engineering is not abiogenesis.
Were much closer to demonstrating/duplicating natural abiogenesis than you are with god!
LOFL!
Glad you Porked yourself with YOUR standard.
Like I said. NOT in my league

Time for some more poetry LOSER.
How many mbs LAUGHED You off so far?

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You have absolutely no grasp of the realities of the matter.

Abiogenesis is the formation of life from nonliving organic material up from the most fundamental, precursor-molecular level by strictly natural means in raw nature.

By strictly natural means in raw nature!

Abiogenesis is not biochemical engineering. How could we ever demonstrate/duplicate, let alone observe, such a thing in the lab?
I know, right?

“Man will never map the human genome”.

“How could we ever demonstrate/duplicate, let alone observe, such a thing in the lab”?
 

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I know, right?

“Man will never map the human genome”.

“How could we ever demonstrate/duplicate, let alone observe, such a thing in the lab”?
It's as if atheists like Hollie are lobotomized zombies or something. . . .

You're not merely comparing apples to oranges, but elephants to mosquitoes. The human genome exists! Mapping it was a matter of technological development.

What don't you understand about abiogenesis being the formation of life from nonliving organic material up from the most fundamental, precursor-molecular level by strictly natural means in raw nature?

Prebiotic organic precursors are pristinely segregated and manipulatively combined by intelligence in laboratories. That's not abiogenesis, you 'tard.
 

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Well self replication and the different possibilities that can go wrong or right would be the only logical reason for life to begin. If you could replicate the same thing over and over again then it would be kind of boring. Things in the process have to go wrong to make it interesting. Still it doesn't matter as people still need a reason to not kill one another.
 

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Google proteins; they come in two flavors, animal and plant.
Google research protein fragments being constructed by other chemicals as precursors of life. You know, since you are in a thread about that topic.
 
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Creating life from non-living organic precursors cannot be naturally observed, let alone demonstrated/duplicated in the first place. Not now, not ever! Biochemical engineering is not abiogenesis.
Were much closer to demonstrating/duplicating natural abiogenesis than you are with god!
LOFL!
Glad you Porked yourself with YOUR standard.
Like I said. NOT in my league

Time for some more poetry LOSER.
How many mbs LAUGHED You off so far?

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You have absolutely no grasp of the realities of the matter.

Abiogenesis is the formation of life from nonliving organic material up from the most fundamental, precursor-molecular level by strictly natural means in raw nature.

By strictly natural means in raw nature!

Abiogenesis is not biochemical engineering. How could we ever demonstrate/duplicate, let alone observe, such a thing in the lab?
To help replicate Several Billion years of chemical combinations and conditions... any extant combos are fair to use.
The infinite amount of conditions over that period and every thinkable condition/combination is fair to try.
Especially those that we are all made up of and ingest to live.

And there are many molecular tendencies. As simple as bonding (O2) or the formation of Crystals, etc, etc.
And there similarly are naturally occurring more complex molecules that have tendencies to organize in certain ways in the presence of others and other conditions. Erath 3.5 Bil yrs ago (first known life) was very different than today.

To reproduce early earth conditions which no longer exist, it's perfectly fair to do so in a lab.
And that's what Miller-Urey did, and did successfully.

Wiki: The classic 1952 Miller–Urey experiment and similar research demonstrated that most amino acids, the chemical constituents of the proteins used in all living organisms, can be synthesized from inorganic compounds under conditions intended to replicate those of the early Earth. Scientists have proposed various external sources of energy that may have triggered these reactions, including lightning and radiation. Other approaches ("metabolism-first" hypotheses) focus on understanding how catalysis in chemical systems on the early Earth might have provided the precursor molecules necessary for self-replication.[20]

This is well more coherent (and justified by the fossil record) than an Impossible/Laughable singular Genesis creation event, or a blundering trial-and-error 3 billion year (ID-not/Engineered-not) version of that goofy myth.

And let's be clear, you are a [specific religion] nut trying to justify scientifically any god, to be able to hold onto yours.
Of course, you have NO evidence, no one ever has, and your are going nowhere with your wittle philosophical clap trap version of God of the Gaps/the GodDidIt Fallacy. (aka Argument from Ignorance)

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I know, right?

“Man will never map the human genome”.

“How could we ever demonstrate/duplicate, let alone observe, such a thing in the lab”?
It's as if atheists like Hollie are lobotomized zombies or something. . . .

You're not merely comparing apples to oranges, but elephants to mosquitoes. The human genome exists! Mapping it was a matter of technological development.

What don't you understand about abiogenesis being the formation of life from nonliving organic material up from the most fundamental, precursor-molecular level by strictly natural means in raw nature?

Prebiotic organic precursors are pristinely segregated and manipulatively combined by intelligence in laboratories. That's not abiogenesis, you 'tard.
What exactly is ''raw nature''? Your melodrama is really childish. There is no obvious, known mechanism that would prevent abiogenesis by natural means, and natural occurring phenomenon are the only phenomenon that humankind has any history of.

How would abiogenesis occur by other than natural means?

I understand you will insist on supernatural means performed by supernatural gods but you have made no case for any of your supernatural gods who would have performed supernatural phenomenon.

So, I would suggest that before you insist others are to accept supernatural creation, you first make a case for a supernatural creator.

So do that. Make your case for a supernatural creator. Show us the magic.
 

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