Scene: Science Has Spoken So Shut Your Mouth.

[Fort Fun Indiana]

line..........a personal ad hominem attack.

But not ad hominem, because not used in place of argument. In fact, I even argued the truth of what you called ad hominem.

You are learning so much tonight! Heh.. I doubt it.

Show me some scientific evidence of this Elephant having EVOLVED from a different species of animal life

No, jackass. The mountains of evidence that have convinced every person on earth whose mind is not handicapped by iron age mythology has not convinced you. So what would be the point of compiling it and laying it your feet, other than to satiate your childish need for attention? It is not as if you would understand it anyway.. There isn't any point in doing your troll exercise.

 

[Clyde 154]

But not ad hominem, because not used in place of argument. In fact, I even argued the truth of what you called ad hominem.

You are learning so much tonight! Heh.. I doubt it.



No, jackass. The mountains of evidence that have convinced every person on earth whose mind is not handicapped by iron age mythology has not convinced you. So what would be the point of compiling it and laying it your feet, other than to satiate your childish need for attention? It is not as if you would understand it anyway.. There isn't any point in doing your troll exercise.

Again.......first line.........personal ad hominem attack. I think there is a pattern beginning to formulate, one that reacts through EMOTION instead of Logic and Reason. You have to be a LIBERAL (HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS) Logic and Reason is like holding a mirror in front of a vampire. The hisssing and grinding of teeth is priceless. Of course there is no reason for you to address a topic that you are not capable of answering.

 

[RodISHI]

Dangit. I keep just missing the list. Must be a conspiracy.

Just think you don't have to have all those worries that they must have.

 

[JAG]

Eugenics is much older than the Nazis.

Eugenics - HISTORY

Eugenics: Definition, Movement & Meaning | HISTORY

Eugenics is the now-discredited practice of “improving” the human race and reducing the impact of hereditary disease by mating people with desirable traits.

www.history.com

Nov 14, 2017 · Eugenics made its first official appearance in American history through marriage laws. In 1896, Connecticut made it illegal for people with epilepsy or who were “feeble-minded” to marry.

You are correct.
There was, for example, a lot of Eugenics in California before Hitler came to power.
In my OP I was careful to phrase it like this:

JAG Wrote:
"resulting in the world giving birth to hideous Nazism
and Nazism giving birth to the evil racist filthy Nazi Eugenics murder machine."
Thus referring to that particular brand of Eugenics.

Best

JAG

``

 

[surada]

Elephants are EVOLVING? You mean adapting to their environment? And adapting via MUTATION......the taking away of DNA information, losing information instead of gaining any new information. Going from Tusks to Tuskless. You have presented no evidence of EVOLUTION (one species evolving into another species. Regardless of how many tusks an elephant may or may not have......its STILL AN ELEPHANT....deriving from one of two subspecies of elephant depending upon geographical location.....Loxodonta Africana if located in Africa or Elephas Maximus if located in Asia.

There is nothing new under the sun. The scriptures totally agree with the Pasteur model that proves biogenesis to be a fact of science. (Genesis 1:24-25)

You have just demonstrated the scriptures to be more in line with Science than your attempt to tell us that mutation withiin species is a sign of evolution. If man had not been given the capacity to adapt to his surroundings he would have became extinct with his first encounter of the common cold virus. There is no evidence that YOUR ELEPHANT evolved from a FISH.....which is the truth being taught if one takes Evolution to its illogical conclusions.

Life can only be reproduced from preexisting life from within the same species.....its a fact of science proven via Louis Pasteur in the 19th century, yet you insist that an elephant that is missing some dna traits, missing, not added unto but missing the perfect DNA that allows elephants to grow tusks ......is proof of evolution?

If I were going to PARROT some information........I would parrot information that was in line with whatever argument that I was attempting to present. All life is created with DNA that allows for adaptation .......within species. Why do you assume a male has mammary glands that are useless? Its because the DNA is there....but not activated when there is no need once the sex has been established.

Show me some evidence of a monkey evolving into a man. What? The monkeys that exist in the 21st century were just to stupid to evolve into men? Show me how a Croc has evolved form another life form over the eons of its existence.........show us how the Peltdown man is evidence of the missing link.........or how the Coelacanth evolved from fish with no legs into ones that have legs...oh yeah that theory was debunked when the living fossil Coelacanth was discovered in the 30s........explain all the LIVING FOSSILS that have existed for eons without evolving into a new species......such as the dragon fly which has only gotten smaller but never evolved into a different species.....or how about a tree that has been dated as living long before any dinosaurs, the Gingko tree.........

It was a nice attempt at a deflection away from the fact that Science cannot demonstrate where LIFE CAME FROM or how the Universe was created. But, really...........just HOW THINK DO YOU STUPID PEOPLE TO BE? You are yet to present the Scientific Experiment that falsifies the creation model presented in Genesis. You still insist that everything came from NOTHING? And you charge others with believing in Dogma?

Think it thru.. If you kill off the big bulls with big fine ivory tusks, you change the gene pool. That's how evolution works.

 

[surada]

You are correct.
There was, for example, a lot of Eugenics in California before Hitler came to power.
In my OP I was careful to phrase it like this:

JAG Wrote:
"resulting in the world giving birth to hideous Nazism
and Nazism giving birth to the evil racist filthy Nazi Eugenics murder machine."
Thus referring to that particular brand of Eugenics.

Best

JAG

``

Eugenics have been around in the US since the 1830s.. I posted several links.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Again.......first line.........personal ad hominem attack. I think there is a pattern beginning to formulate, one that reacts through EMOTION instead of Logic and Reason. You have to be a LIBERAL (HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS) Logic and Reason is like holding a mirror in front of a vampire. The hisssing and grinding of teeth is priceless. Of course there is no reason for you to address a topic that you are not capable of answering.

You can throw your little hissy fits all day and all night. You will still know nothing about evolution and would fail a middle school science quiz.

What you surely.will not do is attempt to respond to any of my points. How could you? You know less than nothing about any ofthis.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Think it thru.. If you kill off the big bulls with big fine ivory tusks, you change the gene pool. That's how evolution works.

BUT tHaT iS aDaPtaTiOn, not eVoLuTIoN

I think I will just write his posts for him.

 

[surada]

BUT tHaT iS aDaPtaTiOn, not eVoLuTIoN

I think I will just write his posts for him.

Evolution is adaptation .......

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Evolution is adaptation .......

Yep. But when you believe something to stupid as the Earth only being a few thousand years old, evolution can't really exist. So they come here to soothe themselves, knowing they would be laughed out of the room in any other adult company.

 

[surada]

Yep. But when you believe something to stupid as the Earth only being a few thousand years old, evolution can't really exist. So they come here to soothe themselves, knowing they would be laughed out of the room in any other adult company.

The stories are for children.. Adults have to consider them more deeply.

 

[JustAGuy1]

The stories are for children.. Adults have to consider them more deeply.

Tell us again how you're a "Christian"?

 

[SweetSue92]

Scene: Science Has Spoken So Shut Your Mouth
By JAG
October 23, 2021

Scene:
A high brow cafe near the University of California at Berkeley where political
activist Secular Humanist scientists gather to pontificate, preach, plan, and
plot.

John Citizen Goode, sitting nearby sipping soda and listening to the ongoing
conversation, leans over and says to his friend:
"We're hearing slick Sammy Science's subtle sham shell game being propagated
here. Somebody ought to write a book entitled How Slick Sammy Science Slithers
Hither And Thither To Push on The Public His Personal Political Plans By Craftily
Claiming He Has Science On His Side."

The conversations in the cafe drones on and on . . . . .

"I don't agree with your conclusions on this issue", suddenly said John Citizen Goode.

"Shut your mouth. we have the Science on our side and you don't", screamed Professor
Samuel Slicke Hitla, "you will therefore bow down to our authority."

"I totally agree with that", upspoke Professor Badd Bobby Brainy Himla, "the ends justify
the means, and we're out to save humanity from themselves."

"Yes indeed", replied Professor Madd Muse A. Leanie, "we must save humanity with laws
enforced by police with guns."

"Count me in on that too,", muttered Professor A. Stealthy Staalinn, "the masses are
science-ignorant fools, especially religious people, and they must be controlled by force of
law."

John Citizen Goode turns and says to his friend:
"If you dare oppose these science-tyrants and their science-bigotry, they will create an evil
name for you. They'll label you a Science Denier and then use that to do their best to destroy
you, to ruin your reputation, to destroy your influence, even to get you fired from your job if they
can. When you stop and think about it, we have Science Nazis on our trail and they want to hurt
and destroy us because we dare to oppose THEM.

John Citizen Goode, still taking to his friend, concludes the scene . . . . .
"All evil dictators who desire to be your Lord and Master, claim to have Science on their side. Their
message to you is, we know the truth and you don't, so we need to control you because we know
so much more than you do ~ and its in your long term best interest if you obey us for we have the
Science on our side and you don't. Adolph Hitler was able to recruit more followers among educated
Germans by claiming that Science was on his side. Hitler had highly educated scientists with earned
degrees from reputable universities telling the world that Hitler had the Science on his side.
And enough of the world's gullible bowed down to Hitler's scientists and to his other
We-Have-The-Truth-And-You-Don't-Experts ~ resulting in the world giving birth to hideous Nazism
and Nazism giving birth to the evil racist filthy Nazi Eugenics murder machine. John Cornwell wrote
a book on that entitled Hitler's Scientists."

[]

Thoughts?


``

If the Son sets you free

You shall be free indeed

John 8:36

They don't own us

They can't master us, at least not our minds and souls and spirits

And it makes them enraged

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If the Son sets you free

You shall be free indeed

John 8:36

They don't own us

They can't master us, at least not our minds and souls and spirits

And it makes them enraged

And you think that gives you license to be anti-intellectual and anti-science, and just to make up anything you like instead.

Hey, knock yourself out. Just don't whine, when you are rightfully laughed out of any serious company.

 

[Clyde 154]

Think it thru.. If you kill off the big bulls with big fine ivory tusks, you change the gene pool. That's how evolution works.

Again..........evolution is not represented with changes WITHIN SPECIES, all life has the ability to adapt to their surroundings. Have you read the Theory of Evolution as taught by Darwin? Repeat the same circular logic over and over and it becomes truth?

Darwinian cultists teach Darwinism as truth in our schools. The basic tenet of Darwinian Evolution is stated with no ambiguity whatsoever. "Darwin's theory of evolution is the widely held belief that all life on earth is related and descended from a common ancestor. (in other words ALL LIFE began as a simple organism and evolved outside species.......from DEAD MATTER); The birds, the bananas, the fish and the flowers, all related. Darwin's general theory presumes the development of life from non life and stresses a purely naturalistic decent with modifications."

Now you are attempting to suggest that losing part of a DNA signature as was the case by necessity when an elephant lost the ability to grow tusks when previous generations was complete with tusks........within the same species is the same theory as Darwinism? Really?

Prove me wrong.........demonstrate the fossils remains of an animal (outside of species) that evolved into an example of biological life called, AN ELEPHANT. What was the elephant before mutation caused it to evolve from its lower lifeform?\

Regardless of how many tusks, teeth, legs, ears, etc., an elephant has........ITS STILL AN ELEPHANT. Just like a dog, a wolf, a coyote, etc. are of the same species, they may have adapted in different ways to their surroundings, but still all are examples of Canis. The same for all the different types of Bovine....Cows, Yak, water buffalo...etc. That is not DAWIANIAN EVOLUTION.


Pasteur clearly proved that Biogenesis is a FACT of SCIENCE. Life can only be reproduced (within species) by preexisting life (within species).

Darwin is suggesting that MUTATION adds onto an existing strain of DNA with NEW INFORMATION.......and you are presenting the OPPOSITE and claim that is an example of DARWINIAN EVOLUTION? Again really? Darwin's Theory Of Evolution

There is a difference between Vertical and Horizonal evolution. Horizonal evolution (within species) is a fact of science (all life can make small changes in order to adapt to their surroundings or fight off disease, or man would have became extinct with the first disease he encountered, or the first severe weather event he encountered (different skin colors, yet all men share the same LIfe's Blood signature, and ALL MEN are of the same species, and there is no evidence that man evolved from fish as suggested by Darwin).....Vertical Evolution (decent from outside species)...i.e., Darwinian Evolution is always falsified by Science whenever put to the test of the Scientific Method to determine Facts of Science.

 

[JAG]

I LOVE science. True science. My view is that God LOVES
true science too, for example Math , , ,

My view is that Math originated in the nature of God who
is the Original Mathematician --- just as all the other
disciplines also originated in the nature of God.

God Is The , , , ,
Original Mathematician
Original Physicist
Original Cosmologist
Original Inventor
Original Artist
Original Scientist
Original Oceanographer
Original Philosopher
Original Epistemologist
Original Empiricist
Original Poet
Original Writer
Original Lover {wanting the best for others}
Original Chooser { Volition }
Original Economist
Original Emotion-ist {the full range of All Good Emotions}
Original Planner
Original Creator
Original Designer
Original Technologist
Original Educator
Original Everything Good , , ,

, , and we humans participate in all that up there since we are
made in the image of God , , ,

, , and that above is why human beings, made in the image of God,
have been able to build the modern world and will be able to keep making
progress in Science and Technology for ever and ever, even when the
human race makes the transition from Earthly human history to Eternity.

Humans are made in the image of God and God has , ,
~ An Intellect --- and so do we humans
~ Emotions --- and so do we humans
~ Volition {a Will, the ability to choose -- and so do we humans

God's Human Race Project ends victoriously.

Long live science. True science.

 

[surada]

Again..........evolution is not represented with changes WITHIN SPECIES, all life has the ability to adapt to their surroundings. Have you read the Theory of Evolution as taught by Darwin? Repeat the same circular logic over and over and it becomes truth?

Darwinian cultists teach Darwinism as truth in our schools. The basic tenet of Darwinian Evolution is stated with no ambiguity whatsoever. "Darwin's theory of evolution is the widely held belief that all life on earth is related and descended from a common ancestor. (in other words ALL LIFE began as a simple organism and evolved outside species.......from DEAD MATTER); The birds, the bananas, the fish and the flowers, all related. Darwin's general theory presumes the development of life from non life and stresses a purely naturalistic decent with modifications."

Now you are attempting to suggest that losing part of a DNA signature as was the case by necessity when an elephant lost the ability to grow tusks when previous generations was complete with tusks........within the same species is the same theory as Darwinism? Really?

Prove me wrong.........demonstrate the fossils remains of an animal (outside of species) that evolved into an example of biological life called, AN ELEPHANT. What was the elephant before mutation caused it to evolve from its lower lifeform?\

Regardless of how many tusks, teeth, legs, ears, etc., an elephant has........ITS STILL AN ELEPHANT. Just like a dog, a wolf, a coyote, etc. are of the same species, they may have adapted in different ways to their surroundings, but still all are examples of Canis. The same for all the different types of Bovine....Cows, Yak, water buffalo...etc. That is not DAWIANIAN EVOLUTION.


Pasteur clearly proved that Biogenesis is a FACT of SCIENCE. Life can only be reproduced (within species) by preexisting life (within species).

Darwin is suggesting that MUTATION adds onto an existing strain of DNA with NEW INFORMATION.......and you are presenting the OPPOSITE and claim that is an example of DARWINIAN EVOLUTION? Again really? Darwin's Theory Of Evolution

There is a difference between Vertical and Horizonal evolution. Horizonal evolution (within species) is a fact of science (all life can make small changes in order to adapt to their surroundings or fight off disease, or man would have became extinct with the first disease he encountered, or the first severe weather event he encountered (different skin colors, yet all men share the same LIfe's Blood signature, and ALL MEN are of the same species, and there is no evidence that man evolved from fish as suggested by Darwin).....Vertical Evolution (decent from outside species)...i.e., Darwinian Evolution is always falsified by Science whenever put to the test of the Scientific Method to determine Facts of Science.

Lots of different elephants.. African elephants,Indian, Wooly Mammoths, Mastedons.. also the Borneo Pigmy elephant.

 

[surada]

I LOVE science. True science. My view is that God LOVES
true science too, for example Math , , ,

My view is that Math originated in the nature of God who
is the Original Mathematician --- just as all the other
disciplines also originated in the nature of God.

God Is The , , , ,
Original Mathematician
Original Physicist
Original Cosmologist
Original Inventor
Original Artist
Original Scientist
Original Oceanographer
Original Philosopher
Original Epistemologist
Original Empiricist
Original Poet
Original Writer
Original Lover {wanting the best for others}
Original Chooser { Volition }
Original Economist
Original Emotion-ist {the full range of All Good Emotions}
Original Planner
Original Creator
Original Designer
Original Technologist
Original Educator
Original Everything Good , , ,

, , and we humans participate in all that up there since we are
made in the image of God , , ,

, , and that above is why human beings, made in the image of God,
have been able to build the modern world and will be able to keep making
progress in Science and Technology for ever and ever, even when the
human race makes the transition from Earthly human history to Eternity.

Humans are made in the image of God and God has , ,
~ An Intellect --- and so do we humans
~ Emotions --- and so do we humans
~ Volition {a Will, the ability to choose -- and so do we humans

God's Human Race Project ends victoriously.

Long live science. True science.

In Dilmun they kept counting records for trade purposes with Babylon and Sumer.

 

[JAG]

One example of what the OP is about.

Charles "The Enemy" Templeton vs. Billy Graham/And All Billy's Fellow Christians.

Templeton was at one time a widely known evangelist who was associated with
the Billy Graham ministries. Templeton turned against God, and turned to the worship
of his true little banty rooster god names Science, and then tried to turn Billy Graham away
from the Christian faith. Templeton even wrote a book titled:

"Farewell to God: My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith"
(It's on amazon)

"For more than twenty years, Charles Templeton was a major figure in the church in Canada
and the United States. During the 1950s, he and Billy Graham were the two most successful exponents
of mass evangelism in North America. Templeton spoke nightly to stadium crowds of up to thirty thousand people."



JAG

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

Scene: Science Has Spoken So Shut Your Mouth
By JAG
October 23, 2021

Scene:
A high brow cafe near the University of California at Berkeley where political
activist Secular Humanist scientists gather to pontificate, preach, plan, and
plot.

John Citizen Goode, sitting nearby sipping soda and listening to the ongoing
conversation, leans over and says to his friend:
"We're hearing slick Sammy Science's subtle sham shell game being propagated
here. Somebody ought to write a book entitled How Slick Sammy Science Slithers
Hither And Thither To Push on The Public His Personal Political Plans By Craftily
Claiming He Has Science On His Side."

The conversations in the cafe drones on and on . . . . .

"I don't agree with your conclusions on this issue", suddenly said John Citizen Goode.

"Shut your mouth. we have the Science on our side and you don't", screamed Professor
Samuel Slicke Hitla, "you will therefore bow down to our authority."

"I totally agree with that", upspoke Professor Badd Bobby Brainy Himla, "the ends justify
the means, and we're out to save humanity from themselves."

"Yes indeed", replied Professor Madd Muse A. Leanie, "we must save humanity with laws
enforced by police with guns."

"Count me in on that too,", muttered Professor A. Stealthy Staalinn, "the masses are
science-ignorant fools, especially religious people, and they must be controlled by force of
law."

John Citizen Goode turns and says to his friend:
"If you dare oppose these science-tyrants and their science-bigotry, they will create an evil
name for you. They'll label you a Science Denier and then use that to do their best to destroy
you, to ruin your reputation, to destroy your influence, even to get you fired from your job if they
can. When you stop and think about it, we have Science Nazis on our trail and they want to hurt
and destroy us because we dare to oppose THEM.

John Citizen Goode, still taking to his friend, concludes the scene . . . . .
"All evil dictators who desire to be your Lord and Master, claim to have Science on their side. Their
message to you is, we know the truth and you don't, so we need to control you because we know
so much more than you do ~ and its in your long term best interest if you obey us for we have the
Science on our side and you don't. Adolph Hitler was able to recruit more followers among educated
Germans by claiming that Science was on his side. Hitler had highly educated scientists with earned
degrees from reputable universities telling the world that Hitler had the Science on his side.
And enough of the world's gullible bowed down to Hitler's scientists and to his other
We-Have-The-Truth-And-You-Don't-Experts ~ resulting in the world giving birth to hideous Nazism
and Nazism giving birth to the evil racist filthy Nazi Eugenics murder machine. John Cornwell wrote
a book on that entitled Hitler's Scientists."

[]

Thoughts?


``

Where there is science, there will also be death. The Bible speaks of Jesus who is life. One, is apposed to the other.