Sarkozy Understands the Concept of American Exceptionalism

[jillian]

much like the core of conservatism shares quite a bit with Mussolini, Hitler and SHARIA IRAN?

You know very well that isn't true conservatism. That's the perverted version of it espoused by radical right-wingers.

 

[Shogun]

which I am reminded of every time you get on a soap box about gays, interracial dating in the 80s, minority issues etc etc...




if you want to bring up the radical left on the political spectrum then don't forget that YOU have more in common with how iran achieves it's conformity than the left does.... IN fact, when amadenijad claimed that there were no gays in iran I could almost hear Americas conservatives collectively wag their tails.

 

[Foxfyre]

Kudos to LuvRPgrl for her/his? post. Genuine appreciation for Americans has also been my experience each time I have traveled outside this country, even in areas where we were advised to stay out of certain neighborhoods and/or watch our backs. America is a favorite vacation destination (or dream) for many. Based on the tens of millions who visit America, apply for citizenship and/or green cards every year, not withstanding the many millions who are sneaking in univited, it is reasonably safe to assume that neither Americans nor our government is so disrespected, despised, or scorned as the leftists (here and elsewhere) would like to believe.

I'm further guessing that given a reasonable chance to do so, billions would come here to stay in a heartbeat even if George W. Bush is in the White House.

The French President has been much appreciated in his recent visit, and he will be remembered and spoken of fondly. Perhaps he was tired of Americans viewing France with disfavor? Who knows. But a good deed is a good deed and a decent sentiment is a decent sentiment regardless of its motives.

 

[midcan5]

Genuine appreciation for Americans has also been my experience each time I have traveled outside this country, even in areas where we were advised to stay out of certain neighborhoods and/or watch our backs.

Do they ask the questions LuvRPgrl mentioned like why America isn't executing those people faster? I doubt it, especially since must advanced countries have outlawed capital punishment.

 

[Diuretic]

Libs are having a difficult time accepting France elected a conservative who likes Pres Bush and respects America - the exact opposite of most liberals

I don't particularly care one way or the other RSR. I like France, I like the French (outside of Paris at least) and while I don't understand their politics I know that the nation that gave us the concepts of "left" and "right" is more politically subtle than the cartoonish notions that appear to be predominant in US politics.

 

[Diuretic]

Not only does he get it, but the French people get it, thats why they voted him in.

I have traveled quite extensively, Japan, Philippines, China, Tawain, Korea, Canada, Mexico, and across the states by vehicle several times.

The supposed hatred that others have for America is BS. Its a very small, but vocal (cuz they know they will get media attention) minority.

The questions I am most often asked are,,, why are Americans values becoming so liberal, they think we are stupid for allowing abortion, having such poor public education in the cities, too soft on crime, why does it take so long to execute the death penalty....

another interesting thing for those who complain about the two party system, every country I have been to that has three or more major parties, they ALL have a vast majority who wish they had a two party system like ours

They think we dont understand how good we have it, and should be more grateful and thankful, that we take our prosperity and freedom for granted.

They dont understand how so much evidence is throw out of court just because it supposedly wasnt collected properly.

They dont understand how the judges can so easily overturn the will of the peopel "But didnt the PEOPLE pass that law?", I hear that so often.

They dont understand how we are not allowed to punish our kids to teach them manners etc, and how we allow the teens to run so wild and be so rebellous, in the Philippines its unbelievable how well mannered the kids are in homes and on trips. Partly because they usually have so many people to one household, they basically demand that the kids behave. When they instill this in the kids at a young age, then when they become teens, its not a problem.

These liberal values are a result of the ME GENERATION of the sixties, of which almost everything that generation espoused has proven to be destructive to oneself and our society.

A question. Since this thread is about American exceptionalism, do you believe that those characteristics are only found in American society?

 

[Diuretic]

HAHA!

yea.. france sure was crippled because we named our deep fried potato products FREEDOM fries!

It's not like Sarkozy is the last person to ever take charge in France, dude. I almost guarantee that their next president will be liberal.

The point with licenses is that they are not a right. State, fed.. whatever. If it's not her then it will be a governor that you don't agree with either. But, logic is not the motive so much as shit talking on Hillary, yes?

Their next president may be a socialist, not a "liberal".

 

[Diuretic]

More from America is the bad guy crowd

Chavez was "elected" much like Saddam - vote for him or die

It is nice to see the Bush haters and the doom and gloomers dismiss the French President as a lap dog like they did Tony Blair

Can you prove "vote for him or die"?

Sarkozy isn't a lap-dog, he's smarter than that.

 

[Diuretic]

You know....because the core of a liberal is the same as that of a socialist/communist/totalitarian.

No it isn't so no need to sweat it, you're perfectly safe. If Clinton is elected president she will still look after the super-rich and piss over the poor. Status quo.

 

[Diuretic]

Absolutely not. Conservative Americans have their core firmly in the U.S. Constitution. Mussolini, Hitler, and Sharia Iran are all totalitarian types.

Firmly in the 18th Century?

 

[mattskramer]

Well sine the left have supported terrorist groups in the past - I am not surpried you are now

As far as free elections - whenever Dems lose one in the US they run to a Federal Judge to toss out the vote

Or they whine how the election was stolen or how the people were to stupid to understnad the issue

No. I don’t support terrorist groups. I think that I practically posed a good question. If you support democracy for another nation and that nation has a free election, but that election results in a socialist coming to power, can you say that you support socialism?

 

[LuvRPgrl]

No. I don’t support terrorist groups. I think that I practically posed a good question. If you support democracy for another nation and that nation has a free election, but that election results in a socialist coming to power, can you say that you support socialism?

Thats a stupid question/example. A person can be a socialist and support democracy as well.

 

[red states rule]

Can you prove "vote for him or die"?

Sarkozy isn't a lap-dog, he's smarter than that.

Saddam had his Secret Police at the polling stations inspecting the ballots

Now Hugo has his thugs shooting portesters. I wonder where all the libs are now who had thier pictures taken with him

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Thats a stupid question/example. A person can be a socialist and support democracy as well.

But, are you truly free in a democracy without capitalism? I think not. Under socialism the means of production are communal and the individual becomes a serf to the state.

Individuals flourish under capitalism supported by democracy. Capitalism is the moral superior to socialism/collectivism. Socialism rewards laziness while capitalism rewards hard work.

As Sarkozy said "… America did not say, "Come, and everything will be given to you." Rather, she said, "Come, and the only limits to what you will be able to achieve will be those of your own courage, your boldness, and your talent." "

 

[Shogun]

shooting protestors?

got a link?


Hey, you could always label him Hamas and decide to invalidate his effort in democracy!

 

[red states rule]

shooting protestors?

got a link?


Hey, you could always label him Hamas and decide to invalidate his effort in democracy!

I saw it last night on the news. Hugo's thugs were firing into the crowd of protestors

Again, where is Cindy Shehan, Danny Glover, and the other libs who had photo ops with him?

 

[Shogun]

welcome to the internet. if you saw it last night then Im sure you can find a link from an unbiased source...



Indeed, where were you when palestine used their democratic effort to CHOOSE hamas?

 

[red states rule]

welcome to the internet. if you saw it last night then Im sure you can find a link from an unbiased source...



Indeed, where were you when palestine used their democratic effort to CHOOSE hamas?

Four shot in Venezuela student protestArticle from: Agence France-PresseFont size: Decrease Increase Email article: Email Print article: Print From correspondents in Caracas

November 08, 2007 12:41pm
FOUR people were wounded when an armed group fired on students after a protest in Caracas in new violence linked to changes that would boost President Hugo Chavez's powers.

The shooting took place on a university campus as the students returned from a protest against the December 2 referendum over the constitutional changes the leftist President is seeking.

A government official initially said one person was killed, but university authorities later denied there was any fatality and said four students were taken to hospital with gunshot wounds.

Authorities said it was unclear who the attackers were, but opposition members have in the past accused pro-Chavez militants of being behind similar incidents in the deeply polarized South American country.

Thousands of protesters, most of them students, earlier in the day marched to the Supreme Court building in Caracas, where they filed a document calling for postponement of the referendum.

The changes sought by Mr Chavez would lift presidential term limits and increase his mandate to seven years from six, as well as implement "economic socialism" and give the President the power to suspend media rights during a state of emergency.

The national assembly, which is packed with Chavez supporters, earlier this month approved the proposal to change 69 of the constitution's 350 articles.

The President would be able to create new administrative regions and name vice presidents to govern them. He would also enjoy broader decision-making powers regarding military affairs, the national reserves and monetary policy.

The protesters said Venezuelans have not been sufficiently informed about what the changes entailed.

Supreme Court President Luisa Estela de Morales met a delegation of protesters and said the court would consider the petition.

A similar demonstration on Monday ended in clashes that left more than 50 people injured as police arrested 35 protesters
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22723649-5005961,00.html

 

[Shogun]

Ohhh ok... so, pro-supporters automatically take their directives from those they support, eh?

in THAT case I wonder who THESE guys voted for...




pretending that violent protestors who support chaves has ANYTHING to do with hugo himself is a joke, dude.

 

[red states rule]

Ohhh ok... so, pro-supporters automatically take their directives from those they support, eh?

in THAT case I wonder who THESE guys voted for...




pretending that violent protestors who support chaves has ANYTHING to do with hugo himself is a joke, dude.

Shogun, the ones I names all went TO Hugo, and said what a great guy he was

Many libs, like Sean Penn, said he was a wonderful guy