Sarkozy Understands the Concept of American Exceptionalism

[red states rule]

Libs are having a difficult time accepting France elected a conservative who likes Pres Bush and respects America - the exact opposite of most liberals

 

[Shogun]

Hillary is a power hungry liberal who wants the government to oversee evey aspect of your life. Even who gets drivers licenses


um, hasn't it ALWAYS been true that the government decides who gets drivers licenses? It's a privilege, not a right, eh?


Personally, I don't have a problem with Sarkozy. he was elected. Good for him and those he represents. It's not like politics in France is static now that a conservative is in office. I'm reminded of all that "mandate" talk directly following our 04 election when I see righties flap their wings in this thread.

I wish him good luck during his term. If France goes left the next time because of Sarkozy's rule then you all can go back to hating France and saying Freedom Fries again.

 

[red states rule]

Hillary is a power hungry liberal who wants the government to oversee evey aspect of your life. Even who gets drivers licenses


um, hasn't it ALWAYS been true that the government decides who gets drivers licenses? It's a privilege, not a right, eh?


Personally, I don't have a problem with Sarkozy. he was elected. Good for him and those he represents. It's not like politics in France is static now that a conservative is in office. I'm reminded of all that "mandate" talk directly following our 04 election when I see righties flap their wings in this thread.

I wish him good luck during his term. If France goes left the next time because of Sarkozy's rule then you all can go back to hating France and saying Freedom Fries again.

States decide who and how gets drivers licenses. Hillary said the Feds will take over when she is President AGAIN

France was doing all it could to undermine the US and they paid a price when the US not buying their products and not traveling to their country

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Perhaps you can quote the question? with a link to the post?

Not only does he get it, but the French people get it, thats why they voted him in.

I have traveled quite extensively, Japan, Philippines, China, Tawain, Korea, Canada, Mexico, and across the states by vehicle several times.

The supposed hatred that others have for America is BS. Its a very small, but vocal (cuz they know they will get media attention) minority.

The questions I am most often asked are,,, why are Americans values becoming so liberal, they think we are stupid for allowing abortion, having such poor public education in the cities, too soft on crime, why does it take so long to execute the death penalty....

another interesting thing for those who complain about the two party system, every country I have been to that has three or more major parties, they ALL have a vast majority who wish they had a two party system like ours

They think we dont understand how good we have it, and should be more grateful and thankful, that we take our prosperity and freedom for granted.

They dont understand how so much evidence is throw out of court just because it supposedly wasnt collected properly.

They dont understand how the judges can so easily overturn the will of the peopel "But didnt the PEOPLE pass that law?", I hear that so often.

They dont understand how we are not allowed to punish our kids to teach them manners etc, and how we allow the teens to run so wild and be so rebellous, in the Philippines its unbelievable how well mannered the kids are in homes and on trips. Partly because they usually have so many people to one household, they basically demand that the kids behave. When they instill this in the kids at a young age, then when they become teens, its not a problem.

These liberal values are a result of the ME GENERATION of the sixties, of which almost everything that generation espoused has proven to be destructive to oneself and our society.

 

[Shogun]

States decide who and how gets drivers licenses. Hillary said the Feds will take over when she is President AGAIN

France was doing all it could to undermine the US and they paid a price when the US not buying their products and not traveling to their country

HAHA!

yea.. france sure was crippled because we named our deep fried potato products FREEDOM fries!

It's not like Sarkozy is the last person to ever take charge in France, dude. I almost guarantee that their next president will be liberal.

The point with licenses is that they are not a right. State, fed.. whatever. If it's not her then it will be a governor that you don't agree with either. But, logic is not the motive so much as shit talking on Hillary, yes?

 

[mattskramer]

Many things made America great. Agriculture grew well on fertile land on which “native Americans lived”. Cheap slave labor cultivated it. Yes, settlers worked hard too.

So France elected a conservative. Other nations choose people with different socio-political ideologies and hold different positions on the socio-economic spectrum. Hugo Chávez, a socialist and critic of American foreign policy, was elected president of Venezuela not long ago. Not long ago we had a liberal president. It looks like his wife stands a chance of becoming elected. France might elect a liberal. It is as if we are riding on a political pendulum. After a few years of liberalism, we opt for conservatives. After a few years of living under conservatives, we vote for liberals.

Feel free to act like a cheerleader for the current French president. His pep-rally and mutual photo-op with Bush does not impress me much one way or the other. (Yawn)

 

[red states rule]

Many things made America great. Agriculture grew well on fertile land on which “native Americans lived”. Cheap slave labor cultivated it. Yes, settlers worked hard too.

So France elected a conservative. Other nations choose people with different socio-political ideologies and hold different positions on the socio-economic spectrum. Hugo Chávez, a socialist and critic of American foreign policy, was elected president of Venezuela not long ago. Not long ago we had a liberal president. It looks like his wife stands a chance of becoming elected. France might elect a liberal. It is as if we are riding on a political pendulum. After a few years of liberalism, we opt for conservatives. After a few years of living under conservatives, we vote for liberals.

Feel free to act like a cheerleader for the current French president. His pep-rally and mutual photo-op with Bush does not impress me much one way or the other. (Yawn)

More from America is the bad guy crowd

Chavez was "elected" much like Saddam - vote for him or die

It is nice to see the Bush haters and the doom and gloomers dismiss the French President as a lap dog like they did Tony Blair

 

[mattskramer]

More from America is the bad guy crowd

Chavez was "elected" much like Saddam - vote for him or die

It is nice to see the Bush haters and the doom and gloomers dismiss the French President as a lap dog like they did Tony Blair

I’m glad that you have not lost your extremism and superlative rhetoric. I did not say that American is bad. I did not say that America is great. All things considered, on the whole, I think that America is good – relatively speaking. I am not blinded by nationalism to the stains on America.

It is my understanding that Chavez was elected just as the French president was elected. Do you have information from an unbiased source to the contrary? It seems like when a socialist is elected, there are claims from conservatives that the election was not fair, that there were threats and intimidations. Yet, it also seems like when a conservative is elected, there is not the slightest suspicion from other conservatives that there were threats and intimidations.

Sarkozy was elected, and Chavez was elected. In American, Bush Sr. was elected. Then Clinton was elected. Then Bush Jr. was later elected.

I do not hate Bush. That is another of your erroneous extremist comments. I think that he is a poor to mediocre president. Basically, I’m just not that impressed that France elected a conservative. France will likely elect a liberal in a few years. A few years after that, it will probably elect a conservative.

 

[Shogun]

it's funny that RSR will throw shit on any election that results in a lefty....


but has no problem disregarding the result of palestinian elections....





Indeed, I'm sure cuba ONLY sticks with communism because castro personally holds a gun up to each and every cuban's head...

 

[red states rule]

it's funny that RSR will throw shit on any election that results in a lefty....


but has no problem disregarding the result of palestinian elections....





Indeed, I'm sure cuba ONLY sticks with communism because castro personally holds a gun up to each and every cuban's head...

Dictators like Castro, Saddam, and Chavez did just that.

Libs always seem to want to coddle up to them - why I don't know

 

[Shogun]

oh, you mean like how your ponies did with the PALESTINE election that didn't result in your choice?

Funny, you rail on lefties for rigging elections but don't bat an eye when Hammas wins in palestine and your side shoots every arrow in the quiver to MANIPULATE the results of their election...

indeed, your consistency is profound. PROFOUND, dude.

 

[red states rule]

oh, you mean like how your ponies did with the PALESTINE election that didn't result in your choice?

Funny, you rail on lefties for rigging elections but don't bat an eye when Hammas wins in palestine and your side shoots every arrow in the quiver to MANIPULATE the results of their election...

indeed, your consistency is profound. PROFOUND, dude.

So you like the idea of a terrorist group being elected into power?

Or do you consider them "freedom fighters" and not terrorists?

Where did I say libs rig elections?

 

[mattskramer]

So you like the idea of a terrorist group being elected into power?

Or do you consider them "freedom fighters" and not terrorists?

Where did I say libs rig elections?

So is it that we should not bring democracy to people. Let us not promote free elections. Do we like the leader of Iraq? Perhaps we should go back and tell Iraqis what leader they are to have. We only support free elections for other nations when they elect whom we want elected. That sounds like a good foreign policy.

 

[red states rule]

So is it that we should not bring democracy to people. Let us not promote free elections. Do we like the leader of Iraq? Perhaps we should go back and tell Iraqis what leader they are to have. We only support free elections for other nations when they elect whom we want elected. That sounds like a good foreign policy.

Well sine the left have supported terrorist groups in the past - I am not surpried you are now

As far as free elections - whenever Dems lose one in the US they run to a Federal Judge to toss out the vote

Or they whine how the election was stolen or how the people were to stupid to understnad the issue

 

[midcan5]

Excellent post Jillian.

Exceptionalism can come to mean 'I can do what I like.' It is a dangerous idea. Hubris and a failure to understand others has led to Iraq and too many other stupid ventures.

The idea that French conservatism is similar to right wingnut wackiness in America is a stretch at best. France is a secular society with powerful unions.

LuvRPgrl wrote,

"The questions I am most often asked are,,, why are Americans values becoming so liberal, they think we are stupid for allowing abortion, having such poor public education in the cities, too soft on crime, why does it take so long to execute the death penalty...."

You can't be serious! We have traveled much and those questions are so far from reality. Are you talking about fellow religious or some other minority?

 

[Shogun]

So you like the idea of a terrorist group being elected into power?
Or do you consider them "freedom fighters" and not terrorists?
Where did I say libs rig elections?

hey, if bastards like warmonging neocons can win an election then so too can hamas. Your ability to label people is less important that showing people the usefulness of DEMOCRACY over violence. Unfortunately, you seem to think your own shit don't stink so of COURSE you can shrug off collateral damage as different than casualties from terrorism. Meanwhile, masses of people walk away from DEMOCRACY while your side manipulates their elections..

....AND you sit here bitching about lefties manipulating election, no less.

I'm sure you see the irony even if you dont want to acknowledge it.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Dictators like Castro, Saddam, and Chavez did just that.

Libs always seem to want to coddle up to them - why I don't know

You know....because the core of a liberal is the same as that of a socialist/communist/totalitarian.

 

[Shogun]

Well sine the left have supported terrorist groups in the past - I am not surpried you are now

As far as free elections - whenever Dems lose one in the US they run to a Federal Judge to toss out the vote

Or they whine how the election was stolen or how the people were to stupid to understnad the issue

blah blah blah...

i wouldnt point any fingers at "terrorists" if I were you mr oliver north.


hey, maybe that whole "dems claimed phantom WMDs, not US" line will work this year.. I'm looking forward to the laugh fest when your kind try to squeeze out from under the last two terms of your MANDATE!

 

[Shogun]

You know....because the core of a liberal is the same as that of a socialist/communist/totalitarian.

much like the core of conservatism shares quite a bit with Mussolini, Hitler and SHARIA IRAN?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

much like the core of conservatism shares quite a bit with Mussolini, Hitler and SHARIA IRAN?

Absolutely not. Conservative Americans have their core firmly in the U.S. Constitution. Mussolini, Hitler, and Sharia Iran are all totalitarian types.