Santorum takes double digit lead over Romney

[theunbubba]

He has no chance against Obama. Independents won't vote for a religious nut.

I really don't know why the rethugs are even bothering with a nomination.

We don't know why you bother to breathe. Obama should be doing that for you shouldn't he?

 

[JoeB131]

And what do you propose instead of that "Evil Capitalism"?

HOw about what we had in the 1950's? You know, under that raging Communist, Dwight Eisenhower?

Mostly unionized workforce, wealthy paying their taxes, and a government that kept a sharp eye on Wall Street and industry?

You know, Republicans used to get it. Ike understood it. So did Nixon. He started the EPA and OSHA, hated by the Plutocratic Right today. Even Reagan was a union president.

The wealthy still get to make their money, they just don't get to make it screwing over everyone else. What a concept!

 

[JoeB131]

Not only are you mind-boggingly ignorant, your anti-capitalist drivel rivals the most ardent hardcore left wing radical.

Guy, I work in Corporate America. The notion that we need a businessman because they are like super brilliant is laughable.

The thing is, guy, you don't get to call yourself a "Captialist" anymore when you go hat in hand to the Government and ask for a bailout.

We're all socialists now.

 

[JoeB131]

I am betting the economy tanks.

The deal cut with Greece today was utter fantasy; a pretend loan with money they dont have to people they know will not pay it back and wouldnt couldnt anyway.

It was just blowing smoke to encourage more suckers to buy the bag and hold it till everything comes crashing down.

Maybe. But it won't trickle over to our economy for quite a while. There are a few things I think would be more devastating, such as if Israel and Iran mix it up.

 

[dblack]

The economy will be better in 2014 than it is now, and it will be better in 2016 than it will be in 2014. Thus whoever wins the Presidency - Republican or Democrat - will likely benefit from that. And either will take credit for it even though it will largely have nothing to do with politics.

Meh, not so much.

The economy was actually better in 2006 than it was in 2004, but bush took a drubbing over Iraq and other issues.

The Economy was awesome in 2000, but Bush beat Gore anyway. And Gore was a groomed successor.

The GOP will lose this year because the establishment foisted a candidate on them they didn't want, and when the rank and file objected, they systematically destroyed anyone they liked. The best hope I have for this year is that Romney doesn't do too much damage down ballot.

2014 will be a good year because the districts will be settled in the House and all those Dems like Al Franken who came in with Obama in 2008 will be up again in the Senate.

The GOP does have bigger problems. It needs to get right with working folks, and it needs to appeal to Hispanics, who are a natural constituency, but not for the Party of Wall Street.

Exactly. And it's becoming more and more clear, with every election, that "the establishment" doesn't belong to a political party.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I am betting the economy tanks.

The deal cut with Greece today was utter fantasy; a pretend loan with money they dont have to people they know will not pay it back and wouldnt couldnt anyway.

It was just blowing smoke to encourage more suckers to buy the bag and hold it till everything comes crashing down.

Maybe. But it won't trickle over to our economy for quite a while. There are a few things I think would be more devastating, such as if Israel and Iran mix it up.

I suspect you are wrong on how quick it will hit us Joe.

Our own major banks are hugely exposed to the European disaster. JP Morgan has more than $79 TRILLION and BoA has over $75 TRILLIOn exposed inh dirivitive contracts that obligate those two to pay out with Crdit Default Swap contracts.

If Europe tanks, our financial industry will follow within hours if not minutes. And without credit availble, the rest of our private sector starts to choke really quick.

 

[Toro]

Not only are you mind-boggingly ignorant, your anti-capitalist drivel rivals the most ardent hardcore left wing radical.

Guy, I work in Corporate America. The notion that we need a businessman because they are like super brilliant is laughable.

The thing is, guy, you don't get to call yourself a "Captialist" anymore when you go hat in hand to the Government and ask for a bailout.

We're all socialists now.

Your standard line is to deflect when you've been called out. You said capitalism is evil. "Evil." That has jack shit to do with a businessman being President or bank bailouts or where you work. Serial killers are evil. Genocidal tyrants are evil. Capitalism isn't evil. But bigotry and saying business owners should be beaten for laying off workers are evil.

 

[theunbubba]

Not only are you mind-boggingly ignorant, your anti-capitalist drivel rivals the most ardent hardcore left wing radical.

Guy, I work in Corporate America. The notion that we need a businessman because they are like super brilliant is laughable.

The thing is, guy, you don't get to call yourself a "Captialist" anymore when you go hat in hand to the Government and ask for a bailout.

We're all socialists now.

No we aren't. And fewer will be by the end of this year. By the end of 2016 very few will be.

Socialism is the deprivation of the need for individual achievment to supplantation by the state.
It destroys the individual will to achieve and replaces it with Jimmy Carters malaise.
I will fight this with my last breath.

 

[JoeB131]

Your standard line is to deflect when you've been called out. You said capitalism is evil. "Evil." That has jack shit to do with a businessman being President or bank bailouts or where you work. Serial killers are evil. Genocidal tyrants are evil. Capitalism isn't evil. But bigotry and saying business owners should be beaten for laying off workers are evil.

If you are taking food out of my family's mouth, I have every right to beat you. Maybe next time you'll think twice about doing it.

Of course, Capitalism is evil. It's based on the notion of robbing people. When the poor steal, it's called crime, and when the rich steal, it's called "profits".

And to paraphrase Michael Corleone, "We are all part of the hypocrisy". I have to put the screws to my vendors to keep my bosses from moving our lines to China. And then I have to prove that some flawed spreadsheet they've come up with is based on bullshit numbers when they claim we haven't saved money.

The problem is, of course, as I've said, it's all self defeating. There's plenty of money to be made if you have a solid middle class. Consumer demand creates jobs, not investment.

 

[JoeB131]

Not only are you mind-boggingly ignorant, your anti-capitalist drivel rivals the most ardent hardcore left wing radical.

Guy, I work in Corporate America. The notion that we need a businessman because they are like super brilliant is laughable.

The thing is, guy, you don't get to call yourself a "Captialist" anymore when you go hat in hand to the Government and ask for a bailout.

We're all socialists now.

No we aren't. And fewer will be by the end of this year. By the end of 2016 very few will be.

Socialism is the deprivation of the need for individual achievment to supplantation by the state.
It destroys the individual will to achieve and replaces it with Jimmy Carters malaise.
I will fight this with my last breath.

Well, hey, you have a good time with that.

But the fact is, our corporate system socializes risk and capitalizes benefits. That's why we are in the mess we are in. Take an unnecessary risk with your investor's money, the government will bail you out if you fail because you are "Too big to fail", but if you succeed, you make obscene amounts of money and can insist on a tax cut.

Just did my taxes and found out I'm paying a higher percentage than Mitt Romney. That's depressing.

 

[Toro]

Your standard line is to deflect when you've been called out. You said capitalism is evil. "Evil." That has jack shit to do with a businessman being President or bank bailouts or where you work. Serial killers are evil. Genocidal tyrants are evil. Capitalism isn't evil. But bigotry and saying business owners should be beaten for laying off workers are evil.

If you are taking food out of my family's mouth, I have every right to beat you. Maybe next time you'll think twice about doing it.

Of course, Capitalism is evil. It's based on the notion of robbing people. When the poor steal, it's called crime, and when the rich steal, it's called "profits".

And to paraphrase Michael Corleone, "We are all part of the hypocrisy". I have to put the screws to my vendors to keep my bosses from moving our lines to China. And then I have to prove that some flawed spreadsheet they've come up with is based on bullshit numbers when they claim we haven't saved money.

The problem is, of course, as I've said, it's all self defeating. There's plenty of money to be made if you have a solid middle class. Consumer demand creates jobs, not investment.

No you do not have the right to beat people if someone takes food off your table. You might in Somalia but not in America. You should go try to beat up Mitt Romney and exercise your "right" and see what happens.

The idea that capitalism is theft is one deeply held by communists. Not even socialists believe that.

So congratulations. You're a bigoted thug who sympathizes with communist ideals. And oh yeah, and you're a Republican. Supposedly.



Outstanding.

 

[JoeB131]

You want to put labels on things, you can.

If I'm the one doing the work, and someone else is getting the benefits, that's theft. And that's the case whether it's investors or the government through taxation.

The investor doesn't produce one thing. He just profits from the transaction between the laborer and the consumer. Now in a macro-economic sense, that might have to be the way to do it, until we come up with something better.

The fact is, the labor movement succeded in creating a middle class because they were willing to beat the capitalist into a pulp if he didn't behave.

We need to go back to that, and we probably will. Sooner than you think.

 

[Toro]

You want to put labels on things, you can.

If I'm the one doing the work, and someone else is getting the benefits, that's theft. And that's the case whether it's investors or the government through taxation.

The investor doesn't produce one thing. He just profits from the transaction between the laborer and the consumer. Now in a macro-economic sense, that might have to be the way to do it, until we come up with something better.

The fact is, the labor movement succeded in creating a middle class because they were willing to beat the capitalist into a pulp if he didn't behave.

We need to go back to that, and we probably will. Sooner than you think.

The label for that is "Marxist." Actually, I think it's called "Anarcho-Communism." It certainly isn't Republican. But I'm sure the Republican party is grateful for your vote. It's utterly stunning that you think you are a Republican.

 

[jillian]

You want to put labels on things, you can.

If I'm the one doing the work, and someone else is getting the benefits, that's theft. And that's the case whether it's investors or the government through taxation.

The investor doesn't produce one thing. He just profits from the transaction between the laborer and the consumer. Now in a macro-economic sense, that might have to be the way to do it, until we come up with something better.

The fact is, the labor movement succeded in creating a middle class because they were willing to beat the capitalist into a pulp if he didn't behave.

We need to go back to that, and we probably will. Sooner than you think.

The label for that is "Marxist." Actually, I think it's called "Anarcho-Communism." It certainly isn't Republican. But I'm sure the Republican party is grateful for your vote. It's utterly stunning that you think you are a Republican.

is it communist or anachist to want fair pay for a fair day's work? we can argue about tactics, of course, but i wouldn't say that the basis for the labor movement was anarchist or communist.

it wasn't "republican" either, of course. it was more counter-republican

 

[JimH52]

Santorum blew the debate last night. It will be Romney vs Obama. Newt will make some noise and then fade away back into his lizard shell.

 

[JoeB131]

is it communist or anachist to want fair pay for a fair day's work? we can argue about tactics, of course, but i wouldn't say that the basis for the labor movement was anarchist or communist.

it wasn't "republican" either, of course. it was more counter-republican

But there were Republicans who got it.

Teddy Roosevelt, for one.

So did Warren Harding and Dwight Eisenhower, those raging "Marxists" as Boro would call them.

Ronald Reagan was a president of a union, who fought against a lot of the abuses of the studios.

So I guess when Reagan was putting an end to the "Casting Couch", Toro would have called him a Marxist... or something.

My dad was a union guy. He brought home a good paycheck, was able to raise five kids to be solid citizens, and died too young at 56 from lung cancer.

But not to worry, someone made a profit from the asbestos that they told him was perfectly safe to work with. That should warm the cockled of Toro's heart, if he had one.

He was also one of the last guys who stuck up for Nixon, because Nixon tried to do right by working people. Nixon instituted OSHA and the EPA.

 

[JoeB131]

The label for that is "Marxist." Actually, I think it's called "Anarcho-Communism." It certainly isn't Republican. But I'm sure the Republican party is grateful for your vote. It's utterly stunning that you think you are a Republican.

Actually, it's more like saving people like you from yourselves.

The problem with a economic system based on greed and cheating people is that the greedy are never really satisfied. They can never fill the gaping hole in their soul with money. So they keep cheating people until people get fed up and put a stop to that shit.

Take a look at history. Has any society that was based on just having the very poor and the very rich with nothing in between lasted? Nope. They usually end very badly.

The good news is, the GOP is starting to get this. The Grass roots resistance to the Establishment trying to foist Romney on them, the TEA Party. They get it.

You don't. You'll still force Romney down our throats and then take no responsibility when Obama beats him.

 

[jillian]

is it communist or anachist to want fair pay for a fair day's work? we can argue about tactics, of course, but i wouldn't say that the basis for the labor movement was anarchist or communist.

it wasn't "republican" either, of course. it was more counter-republican

But there were Republicans who got it.

Teddy Roosevelt, for one.

So did Warren Harding and Dwight Eisenhower, those raging "Marxists" as Boro would call them.

Ronald Reagan was a president of a union, who fought against a lot of the abuses of the studios.

So I guess when Reagan was putting an end to the "Casting Couch", Toro would have called him a Marxist... or something.

My dad was a union guy. He brought home a good paycheck, was able to raise five kids to be solid citizens, and died too young at 56 from lung cancer.

But not to worry, someone made a profit from the asbestos that they told him was perfectly safe to work with. That should warm the cockled of Toro's heart, if he had one.

He was also one of the last guys who stuck up for Nixon, because Nixon tried to do right by working people. Nixon instituted OSHA and the EPA.

*that* republican party doesn't exist today any more than the republican party of lincoln exists today.

i'd venture a guess that most people didn't know what asbestos did then.

but nor was there an OSHA to watch out for it.

Nixon was a liberal. He'd never get past the GOP primaries today.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Santorum takes double digit lead over Romney

......And, proceeds to go....

.....DOUBLE "SPAZ"!!!!​

"A devout Catholic, Santorum is best known for conservative positions on religious freedoms, abortion and gay marriage, but Romney took aim at him frequently on Wednesday night as a big spender.

"I'm looking at his historic record - voting for raising the debt ceiling five different times without voting for compensating cuts," Romney said.

"Voting to fund Planned Parenthood, to expand the Department of Education. During his term in the Senate, spending grew by some 80 percent of the federal government," he said. Planned Parenthood provides abortion, birth control and other health services to women."

Clock Ticking Towards Santorum MELTDOWN​

 

[JoeB131]

*that* republican party doesn't exist today any more than the republican party of lincoln exists today.

i'd venture a guess that most people didn't know what asbestos did then.

but nor was there an OSHA to watch out for it.

Nixon was a liberal. He'd never get past the GOP primaries today.

Ironically, the people who insisted on impeaching Nixon, who wasn't that bad of a guy, probably opened the door to the far right GOP we have today.

The companies that produced asbestos knew back to the 1940's that the stuff was carcinogenic. They hid the evidence. That's what makes it more contemptable. The thing is, there's so much of it out there now, people in my father's trade, like my brother, are still encountering the stuff.

I do think there are two GOP's. One is the blue collar, socially conservative GOP that kind of gets it on economic issues. The other is the one of clowns like Boro, who think that it's only a recession when the rich have to limit the number of Polo Ponies they can buy.

And really, every cycle, we have this faction raise it's head, only to get slapped down by the establishment. Buchanan in 1992 and 96, Huckabee in 2008 and Santorum this year.