Did I say implode? No. Quit trying to frame this as some sort of dramatic "implosion" or blowing-up of a society
.although I suppose I could refer to the decline of marriage in Norway as a sort of "implosion" of marriage
lol
I'm saying that adopting gay marriage would CHANGE society and not necessarily for the better. Who the hell cares that there is a "wide range of cultural traditions" regarding marriage? Doesn't mean we have to adopt them. Why should we in America abandon OUR cultural traditions and standards for marriage and family which have historically worked very well for us? Why open ourselves to the many problems associated with this change? And all for just only 2% of the population? Ridiculous.
Ill totally agree that society may CHANGE much like society CHANGED when we let women and blacks vote. There were people that thought such allowances would devestate American society then too. Im not comparing you with those people because im sure we can both agree that, looking at it from this side, letting blacks and women vote was the RIGHT thing to do. This is why I keep bringing up colonial America. What you see as the norm NOW certainly was not the norm THEN. Our society has changed because it will ALWAYS change. cultures are simply not static.
It seems to me that "not necessarily for the better" is an opinion. An opinon that is easily cancelled out by a gay American who would say quite the opposite. Sure, we are now waiting for the demographics to decide how to vote on this issue. Hell, it took 100 years for the emancipation proc to REALLY kick in. I am asking for specific examples of a society gone bad due to homosexuality because the tradition of marraige in ANY culture is not what glues that society together. It's just not. Humans didn't start to gather into civilization because of marriage practices. They gathered because of commerce and our culture will survive if we allow gays to get hitched. Now, of course, as a society we will change but that's going to happen regardelss of how much some of us fight against it. Again, culture is NEVER static. Even the Amish make modern allowances sometimes.
Why should we abandon them? For the same reason we had to abandon slavery which, ill remind you, was working out pretty damn well for America at the time too. for the same reason we let women vote even if it worked out pretty damn well for white landowning men if they didn't. for the same reason we let blacks into colleges in the south even though segregation was working pretty damn good for some. I garentee that you and your wife did not follow the same traditions as colonial Americans in your courtship down to your marriage. That, alone, should say something about the nature of an ever evolving culture where the idea of "traditionsl marriage" is relative to your own timeframe. AND, let me just say at this point... the hisotry of our marriage has not altogether been simply "what works best" for us. MANY women who enjoy their autonomy today will not have to remain in an abusive man dominated relationship for the sake of "tradition". The whole nature of the family unit is a foreign beast now to what it once was. Do you apprentice one son out to another in order to learn a trade as ole Ben Franklin lived? Times change. Culture changes. A lot of the time for the best.
These are reasons why I am proud of America. These are reasons why we may drag our feet letting gays get married but, eventually, they will get to much like EVENTUALLY the emancipation proc grew some teeth.
I guess, Im just looking for facts to support the claim that letting gays get married will be so detrimental to our society that it will stop functioning. Change will happen but wont keep us from trucking on down the ever evolving cultural superhighway. We can all have our opinons about the issue of the day; be it gay mrriage, women voting, or black liberty. Opinions also change.
If traditional marriage works for you then ******* A. I wish you the best of happiness in your traditional nuclear marriage. I guess it is just my opinion that liberty is what makes America great. Unfounded opinoins be damned when IM making a decision that huge and I can extend the same personal privacy to others. Do you think exposing a kid to the concept of gay marriage will rock their world? Try getting used to breaking the news of a stillbirth, a farming accident, a bansaw to the chest like poor Johnny Cash's brother. Allowing others to enjoy the same liberty you enjoy, especially when there is no evidence provided so far to suggest otherwise, is the AMERICAN way. No one wants to rob you of the traditions YOU want to observe. Hell, no one wants to drag heteros, kicking and screaming, into a church to get married to a guy. No one is even trying to FORCE the religioous community into performing a service they hold morally wrong. Let the church's refuse to acknowledge what they want. Shit, what does the GOVERNMENT care when soem catholic breaks a rule and gets excommunicated? It doesn't. the same consideration should be held by the government to fairly observe marraige between gays and non-gays as equal in whatever role the GOVERNMENT plays.
Any of that make sense?
