S.C. trashes Constitution and 10th Amendment, forces Florida to accept unwanted foreign nationals.

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See: Supreme Court Rejects Florida Attempt To Ban Undocumented Immigrants From Entering

There is nothing in our federal Constitution by which the States and people therein, have surrender their original power to protect their borders and reject unwanted foreign nationals.


What may come as a surprise to many is, nowhere in the text of our constitution is the word “immigration” to be found! As a matter of fact, a review of historical documentation with regard to immigration confirms the limited power delegated to our federal government by our constitution is to set a uniform rule for “naturalization” of foreign nationals who have already immigrated to one of the United States and wish to become a citizen of the United States.

So, just what was the specific intention for our framers and those who ratified our constitution to delegate a power to Congress to establish a “. . . uniform Rule of Naturalization . . . ”[Article 1, Section 8, Clause, 4]? And, exactly what does the power encompass?



According to our very own Supreme Court, “Its sole object was to prevent one State from forcing upon all the others, and upon the general government, persons as citizens whom they were unwilling to admit as such.” PASSENGER CASES, 48 U. S. 283 (1849). And, the Court’s statement is confirmed by the following documentation!


REPRESENTATIVE SHERMAN, who attended the Constitutional Convention which framed our Constitution points to the intentions for which a power over naturalization was granted to Congress. He says:

“that Congress should have the power of naturalization, in order toprevent particular States receiving citizens, and forcing them upon others who would not have received them in any other manner. It was therefore meant to guard against an improper mode of naturalization, rather than foreigners should be received upon easier terms than those adopted by the several States.” see Annals of Congress, Rule of Naturalization, Feb. 3rd, 1790


In addition, REPRESENTATIVE WHITE while debating the Rule of Naturalization notes the narrow limits of what “Naturalization” [the power granted to Congress] means, and he

”doubted whether the constitution authorized Congress to say on what terms aliens or citizens should hold lands in the respective States; the power vested by the Constitution in Congress, respecting the subject now before the House, extend to nothing more than making a uniform rule of naturalization. After a person has once become a citizen, the power of congress ceases to operate upon him; the rights and privileges of citizens in the several States belong to those States; but a citizen of one State is entitled to all the privileges and immunities of the citizens in the several States……all, therefore, that the House have to do on this subject, is to confine themselves to an uniform rule of naturalization and not to a general definition of what constitutes the rights of citizenship in the several States.” see: Rule of Naturalization, Feb. 3rd, 1790, page 1152


And with regard to our nation’s initial immigration law, let us recall what Representative BURKE says during our Nations` first debate on a RULE OF NATURALIZATION, FEB. 3RD, 1790

Mr. BURKE thought it of importance to fill the country with useful men, such as farmers, mechanics, and manufacturers, and, therefore, would hold out every encouragement to them to emigrate to America. This class he would receive on liberal terms; and he was satisfied there would be room enough for them, and for their posterity, for five hundred years to come. There was another class of men, whom he did not think useful, and he did not care what impediments were thrown in their way; such as your European merchants, and factors of merchants, who come with a view of remaining so long as will enable them to acquire a fortune, and then they will leave the country, and carry off all their property with them. These people injure us more than they do us good, and, except in this last sentiment, I can compare them to nothing but leeches. They stick to us until they get their fill of our best blood, and then they fall off and leave us. I look upon the privilege of an American citizen to be an honorable one, and it ought not to be thrown away upon such people. There is another class also that I would interdict, that is, the convicts and criminals which they pour out of British jails. I wish sincerely some mode could be adopted to prevent the importation of such; but that, perhaps, is not in our power; the introduction of them ought to be considered as a high misdemeanor.



And finally, REPRESENTATIVE STONEconcluded that the laws and constitutions of the States, and the constitution of the United States; would trace out the steps by which they should acquire certain degrees of citizenship [page 1156]. Congress may point out a uniform rule of naturalization; but cannot say what shall be the effect of that naturalization, as it respects the particular States. Congress cannot say that foreigners, naturalized, under a general law, shall be entitled to privileges which the States withhold from native citizens. See: Rule of Naturalization, Feb. 3rd, 1790, pages 1156 1157


Also note the Tenth Amendment reserves to the states and people therein, all powers not delegated to Congress by the terms of our Constitution.

CONCLUSION:


Naturalization involves the process by which a foreign national, who is already in our country, is granted citizenship. Immigration, on the other hand involves a foreign national traveling to and entering the United States . . . two very distinct activities!

Once again our Supreme Court engaged in judicial tyranny by ignoring the text of our Constitution and its documented legislative intent, which gives context to its text.

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." - Joseph Story
 
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See: Supreme Court Rejects Florida Attempt To Ban Undocumented Immigrants From Entering

There is nothing in our federal Constitution by which the States and people therein, have surrender their original power to protect their borders and reject unwanted foreign nationals.


What may come as a surprise to many is, nowhere in the text of our constitution is the word “immigration” to be found! As a matter of fact, a review of historical documentation with regard to immigration confirms the limited power delegated to our federal government by our constitution is to set a uniform rule for “naturalization” of foreign nationals who have already immigrated to one of the United States and wish to become a citizen of the United States.

So, just what was the specific intention for our framers and those who ratified our constitution to delegate a power to Congress to establish a “. . . uniform Rule of Naturalization . . . ”[Article 1, Section 8, Clause, 4]? And, exactly what does the power encompass?



According to our very own Supreme Court, “Its sole object was to prevent one State from forcing upon all the others, and upon the general government, persons as citizens whom they were unwilling to admit as such.” PASSENGER CASES, 48 U. S. 283 (1849). And, the Court’s statement is confirmed by the following documentation!


REPRESENTATIVE SHERMAN, who attended the Constitutional Convention which framed our Constitution points to the intentions for which a power over naturalization was granted to Congress. He says:

“that Congress should have the power of naturalization, in order toprevent particular States receiving citizens, and forcing them upon others who would not have received them in any other manner. It was therefore meant to guard against an improper mode of naturalization, rather than foreigners should be received upon easier terms than those adopted by the several States.” see Annals of Congress, Rule of Naturalization, Feb. 3rd, 1790


In addition, REPRESENTATIVE WHITE while debating the Rule of Naturalization notes the narrow limits of what “Naturalization” [the power granted to Congress] means, and he

”doubted whether the constitution authorized Congress to say on what terms aliens or citizens should hold lands in the respective States; the power vested by the Constitution in Congress, respecting the subject now before the House, extend to nothing more than making a uniform rule of naturalization. After a person has once become a citizen, the power of congress ceases to operate upon him; the rights and privileges of citizens in the several States belong to those States; but a citizen of one State is entitled to all the privileges and immunities of the citizens in the several States……all, therefore, that the House have to do on this subject, is to confine themselves to an uniform rule of naturalization and not to a general definition of what constitutes the rights of citizenship in the several States.” see: Rule of Naturalization, Feb. 3rd, 1790, page 1152


And with regard to our nation’s initial immigration law, let us recall what Representative BURKE says during our Nations` first debate on a RULE OF NATURALIZATION, FEB. 3RD, 1790

Mr. BURKE thought it of importance to fill the country with useful men, such as farmers, mechanics, and manufacturers, and, therefore, would hold out every encouragement to them to emigrate to America. This class he would receive on liberal terms; and he was satisfied there would be room enough for them, and for their posterity, for five hundred years to come. There was another class of men, whom he did not think useful, and he did not care what impediments were thrown in their way; such as your European merchants, and factors of merchants, who come with a view of remaining so long as will enable them to acquire a fortune, and then they will leave the country, and carry off all their property with them. These people injure us more than they do us good, and, except in this last sentiment, I can compare them to nothing but leeches. They stick to us until they get their fill of our best blood, and then they fall off and leave us. I look upon the privilege of an American citizen to be an honorable one, and it ought not to be thrown away upon such people. There is another class also that I would interdict, that is, the convicts and criminals which they pour out of British jails. I wish sincerely some mode could be adopted to prevent the importation of such; but that, perhaps, is not in our power; the introduction of them ought to be considered as a high misdemeanor.



And finally, REPRESENTATIVE STONEconcluded that the laws and constitutions of the States, and the constitution of the United States; would trace out the steps by which they should acquire certain degrees of citizenship [page 1156]. Congress may point out a uniform rule of naturalization; but cannot say what shall be the effect of that naturalization, as it respects the particular States. Congress cannot say that foreigners, naturalized, under a general law, shall be entitled to privileges which the States withhold from native citizens. See: Rule of Naturalization, Feb. 3rd, 1790, pages 1156 1157


Also note the Tenth Amendment reserves to the states and people therein, all powers not delegated to Congress by the terms of our Constitution.

CONCLUSION:


Naturalization involves the process by which a foreign national, who is already in our country, is granted citizenship. Immigration, on the other hand involves a foreign national traveling to and entering the United States . . . two very distinct activities!

Once again our Supreme Court engaged in judicial tyranny by ignoring the text of our Constitution and its documented legislative intent, which gives context to its text.

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a dueFL estimate of its privileges." - Joseph Story

SCOTUS interprets the United States Constitution. What South ICarolina did was UNCONSTITUTIONAL, you do understand that?

When they rule for 47 you love it. You do not have to agree with SCOTUS, but YOU do not get to determine what is and/or is Unconstitutional. That is up to SCOTUS.
 
The feds have jurisdiction over immigration. That's how federalism works.

But the feds can delegate its responsibility to the states. I think Florida could get "deputized" by this administration to arrest and hold people over for ICE who are known to be here illegally.
 
The feds have jurisdiction over immigration. That's how federalism works.

But the feds can delegate its responsibility to the states. I think Florida could get "deputized" by this administration to arrest and hold people over for ICE who are known to be here illegally.

No, the Feds are responsible for immigration not the states.
 
The feds have jurisdiction over immigration.

By the terms of our Constitution, Congress is granted power "To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization . . . "

What wording are you referring to confirming your assertion?
 
I don't get it, wasn't FL flying illegals to other states? :dunno:
See:

SB 4-C: Immigration
GENERAL BILL by Gruters ; (CO-INTRODUCERS) Fine

Immigration; Providing criminal penalties for adult unauthorized aliens who knowingly enter or attempt to enter this state after entering the United States by eluding or avoiding examination or inspection by immigration officers; providing enhanced criminal penalties for second or subsequent convictions; specifying that such aliens are not eligible for any civil citation or other prearrest or postarrest diversion program; providing criminal penalties for an adult unauthorized alien who, after having been denied admission, excluded, deported, or removed or having departed the United States during the time an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding, thereafter enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in this state, etc.

The court blocked enforcement of the above, allowing criminal aliens to enter Florida in violation of Florida's law.
 
No, the Feds are responsible for immigration not the states.
And they can partially delegate that responsibility if the state is willing to accept it. Things like sharing state and local fingerprint information, holding people released from jail for ICE, and 287(g) agreements.
 

My question was with reference to the terms of our Constitution. I find no wording in the federal Constitution by which the States have relinquished their original power to reject an influx of unwanted foreign nationals.

What was the legislative intent of the States delegating a power to Congress to establish a “. . . uniform Rule of Naturalization . . . ”? See HERE for the answer.
 
My question was with reference to the terms of our Constitution. I find no wording in the federal Constitution by which the States have relinquished their original power to reject an influx of unwanted foreign nationals.

What was the legislative intent of the States delegating a power to Congress to establish a “. . . uniform Rule of Naturalization . . . ”? See HERE for the answer.
The feds control both immigration and naturalization. Individual states do not have the authority to prevent people from entering their state from an adjoining state, any more than they have the power to grant citizenship in their own states or coin their own money. You cannot become a citizen of Florida, because Florida is part of the United States and gave up that power when it joined the union.

And Florida cannot set up immigration controls at their state lines with GA, MS or AL for the same reason. The US is a single sovereign country, not a collection of 50 individual countries.
 
And Florida cannot set up immigration controls at their state lines with GA, MS or AL for the same reason.
:rolleyes:

What wording in Florida's SB 4-C are you referring to by which Florida is setting ". . . up immigration controls at their state lines . . . "?

Did you even read Florida's SB 4-C

I can’t imagine a legitimate argument as to why SB 4-C would not be upheld as being within Florida’s lawful Tenth Amendment reserved policing powers which advance the general welfare of the State of Florida.
 
LAUGHatLEFTISTS
:rolleyes:

What wording in Florida's SB 4-C are you referring to by which Florida is setting ". . . up immigration controls at their state lines . . . "?

Did you even read Florida's SB 4-C

I can’t imagine a legitimate argument as to why SB 4-C would not be upheld as being within Florida’s lawful Tenth Amendment reserved policing powers which advance the general welfare of the State of Florida.
It was a hypothetical example of what would be needed to properly enforce SB4. Florida doesn't have the power to ban illegals from energetic the state.
 
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LAUGHatLEFTISTS

It was a hypothetical example of what would be needed to properly enforce SB4. Florida doesn't have the power to ban illegals from energetic the state.
Your unsubstantiated opinion is noted.

Have you read Florida’s 22 page NOTICE OF SUPPLEMENTAL AUTHORITY? I can’t imagine a legitimate argument as to why SB 4-C would not be upheld as being within Florida’s lawful Tenth Amendment reserved policing powers which advance the general welfare of the State of Florida.

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." - Joseph Story
 
Your unsubstantiated opinion is noted.

Have you read Florida’s 22 page NOTICE OF SUPPLEMENTAL AUTHORITY? I can’t imagine a legitimate argument as to why SB 4-C would not be upheld as being within Florida’s lawful Tenth Amendment reserved policing powers which advance the general welfare of the State of Florida.

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." - Joseph Story
you don't need to imagine. Read the decision of the district Judge. I'm sure it explains exactly why it is unconstitutional.

The fact that the SC agreed without comment and without dissent doesn't get any more clear than that.
 
you don't need to imagine. Read the decision of the district Judge. I'm sure it explains exactly why it is unconstitutional.

The fact that the SC agreed without comment and without dissent doesn't get any more clear than that.
Did you read what I wrote. Do you understand the meaning of "legitimate".

What makes a district judge's decision legitimate is when it is in harmony with the text of our Constitution, and the documented legislative intent under which it was adopted, which gives context to its text.

JWK


The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it.
_____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASSOCIATION v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)
 
What wording in Florida's SB 4-C are you referring to by which Florida is setting ". . . up immigration controls at their state lines . . . "?

Did you even read Florida's SB 4-C

I can’t imagine a legitimate argument as to why SB 4-C would not be upheld as being within Florida’s lawful Tenth Amendment reserved policing powers which advance the general welfare of the State of Florida.
The 10 nor the 110th preservers any state right to regulate immigration. That is a federal reserve of power.:rolleyes:
 
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