Russia's Unreasonable Demands for Peace Deal!

[toomuchtime_]

Russia has already reduced the Ukraine's 34 million population to about half and that by only destroying a small per centage of Ukraine's territory.

Russia appears to be bent on reducing it still further, and that would make the remainder compliant to Russia's advance.

The people of the Ukraine know very well that they can ask for peace and Russia will grant it to them. No puppet Russian government will ever be necessary.

Only America stands in the way of peace now.

You may be the only person in the world who believes this. On the other hand, maybe you don't believe it either.

 

[Donald H]

Anybody who believes that BS that a Ukrainian defeat is a mortal blow to the US is brain dead from too much Fentanyl.

We would've been better off leaving it a European problem & can still back away, reverse course on sanctions & maybe stave off the rest of the world crashing our dollar global reserve status if they see some sanity from us for a change

Not a mortal blow as such, but undoubtedly putting America up against the combined power of the China/Russia alliance.

And to introduce another factor that Americans have ignored: Russia's huge natural resources that America wants and desperately needs.

Think of the Ukraine and its people of expendable dead ducks that were used as America's method.

And so will it work?

NO! It was a huge miscalculation by America and that is due to partly arrogance as well as ignorance on Russia's national resolve to defend mother Russia.

 

[Donald H]

All Americans need to read Krichton's #18. He covers all the bases.

For my position, just read this: I disagree with practically everything he said. I won't get into the details.

 

[luiza]

Great when a team states it’s aims clearly and then carries them out Which is asking America to accept total defeat and walk away from its proxy war with Russia. No progress toward a peace deal for the Ukraine is possible as long as Russia stays committed to their agenda, as it's stated in this article.

Great to see a team state it’s aims clearly from the outset and then keep to them while repeatedly kicking it’s enemy where it hurts most .

 

[peacefan]

Russia outlines conditions for Ukraine peace deal

The conflict can be settled if Kiev rules out joining NATO and the EU and recognizes “new territorial realities,” Moscow says

www.rt.com

Which is asking America to accept total defeat and walk away from its proxy war with Russia. No progress toward a peace deal for the Ukraine is possible as long as Russia stays committed to their agenda, as it's stated in this article.

Russia warns of 'new dimension' in Ukraine war

Moscow's ambassador to the UK says Western supplies of weapons to Ukraine risk escalating the conflict.

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the G7 recently announced it's unwaivering commitment, "for as long as it takes", to the defence of the old Ukranian borders.
borders that one might say have now become irrealistic and obsolete.

i want to warn once again not to anger the (Middle-)Eastern Alliance members too much.
suffering defeat by attrition or suffering the other side's sudden victory (like the Germans suffered on their way to Moscow in WW2),
is a thing best not repeated too often, and especially not in a string of wars following each other (Afghanistan, Ukraine, Taiwan).

if this happens, the value of the dollar will plummet, as it by then will have been proven that uni-polarity by the Western alliance has failed entirely.
this could be as early as 2035!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Anybody who believes that BS that a Ukrainian defeat is a mortal blow to the US is brain dead from too much Fentanyl.

We would've been better off leaving it a European problem & can still back away, reverse course on sanctions & maybe stave off the rest of the world crashing our dollar global reserve status if they see some sanity from us for a change

For such sanity to happen, we would have to reelect Trump.

 

[Silver Cat]

Try to understand that this war is a 'life or death' struggle for both America and Russia.

It is life or death for Russia, but not for America. It is absolutely indifferent for the safety of the USA were exactly lays the border between Russia and NATO - on Dniepr, on Vltava or on Elba.

Russia is going to align with China, the Brics, and 3/4's of the world's countries.
America must defeat Russia and this is the last opportunity.

No. Right now the USA have no opportunity to defeat Russia military. First of all, we need to buy a capability to win both offensive and defensive nuclear wars against both Russia and China simultaneously. We have plenty of fat to be melted into muscles (both literally and metaphorically).

 

[Ringo]

If NATO arms the AFU, but itself "does not participate", then if the Russian Federation arms someone, some private citizens with something fiercely mass-destroying, and they hit conditional Poland or no less conditional Britain, then it is "not participating" too? That's how it works now, right?

 

[ESay]

If NATO arms the AFU, but itself "does not participate", then if the Russian Federation arms someone, some private citizens with something fiercely mass-destroying, and they hit conditional Poland or no less conditional Britain, then it is "not participating" too? That's how it works now, right?

No, Igor. NATO is arming the defending side.

 

[Ringo]

No, Igor. NATO is arming the defending side.

Really? Support a nazi coup, spend 8 years training and arming a nazi army that killed its citizens, and then help the "defending" side? Don't be so obviously hypocritical, practice your acting skills.

 

[Silver Cat]

No, Igor. NATO is arming the defending side.

Actually, the Russians are fighting for the defending side, too. I mean, it was Kievan Junta, who attacked self-proclaimed Donbass republics, wasn't it?

 

[ESay]

Really? Support a nazi coup, spend 8 years training and arming a nazi army that killed its citizens, and then help the "defending" side? Don't be so obviously hypocritical, practice your acting skills.

Yes, Igor, a defending side. After your country using some excuses started a war for land grab.

 

[ESay]

Actually, the Russians are fighting for the defending side, too. I mean, it was Kievan Junta, who attacked self-proclaimed Donbass republics, wasn't it?

No, it was the Ukrainian government that began fighting Russia supported separatists.

 

[para bellum]

New peace plan.

5 new people's republics are created. Bryansk, Kursk, Bilhorod, Rostov, and Voronezh. These would be neutral states and their constitutions would not allow them to have armies. They could not join any military alliances, or have any nuclear weapons or military bases on their land. A UN peacekeeping mission would provide for their security.

This would prevent any further NATO expansion towards Russian borders and satisfy all of Russia's security concerns.

 

[Donald H]

It is life or death for Russia, but not for America. It is absolutely indifferent for the safety of the USA were exactly lays the border between Russia and NATO - on Dniepr, on Vltava or on Elba.

No, no, you misunderstand. It's life or death for either Russia or America in that America's last bid is to prevent the China/Russia/Brics alliance, that is due to steal global hegemony from America. America has strived toward the destruction of Russia for many years, but now it's become critical.
I wouldn't suggest that America made its move too soon, on account of America knowing that Russia was in the process of preparing for America's war against them.

And now, regardless of the propaganda war, Russia has likely become the world's mightiest.

No. Right now the USA have no opportunity to defeat Russia military. First of all, we need to buy a capability to win both offensive and defensive nuclear wars against both Russia and China simultaneously. We have plenty of fat to be melted into muscles (both literally and metaphorically).

I don't get your point on nuclear war because there are no winners, but I wouldn't rule out the use of a tactical nuclear weapon being used. Just as likely by Israel now as the current combatants. Because: Iran is becoming an active participant in America's war against Russia.

And yes, America may have the ability to develop a fighting force, but for what purpose?

 

[Ringo]

No, it was the Ukrainian government that began fighting Russia supported separatists.

The Ukrainian government that came to power through an armed coup? I thought that after January 6, the U.S. was negative about attempts to seize power? Or was it?

 

[Ringo]

Yes, Igor, a defending side. After your country using some excuses started a war for land grab.

O.K. Cosmo, how do you feel about the existence of Israel? Its modern borders came about as a result of attack, aggression, you might say, to use your terminology. In 1967, Israel attacked the Arab states, that were preparing to attack Israel and grab some lands.

 

[ESay]

The Ukrainian government that came to power through an armed coup? I thought that after January 6, the U.S. was negative about attempts to seize power? Or was it?

Yeah, your puppet turned out to be a coward who fled the country after being threatened by a couple of hundreds of protesters while having in his disposal the police, the army, interior troops and special services.

What a pity. Of course, to somehow downgrade this disgrace you should call that 'an armed coup'.

 

[ESay]

O.K. Cosmo, how do you feel about the existence of Israel? Its modern borders came about as a result of attack, aggression, you might say, to use your terminology. In 1967, Israel attacked the Arab states, that were preparing to attack Israel and grab some lands.

I am okay with Israel, thanks. At least they didn't make a laughing stock out of their Army.

 

[Ringo]

Yeah, your puppet turned out to be a coward who fled the country after being threatened by a couple of hundreds of protesters while having in his disposal the police, the army, interior troops and special services.
What a pity. Of course, to somehow downgrade this disgrace you should call that 'an armed coup'.

You hypocritical weirdo, if that filthy coward, Yanukovych, whom you, due to your complete lack of education about events in Ukraine, call a pro-russian puppet, had dared to use arms against the pro-nazi thugs, you would be the first to squeal like a castrated piglet about the "atrocities of the Yanukovych regime".