Russia threatens Poland for Soviet memorial tear down.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Fuck the Russians.
Dump those monuments in a septic pit.

Toddster, I was hoping you were becoming smarter. Oh, well...

BTW, Israel condemns Polish actions same way:

the people of Russia and Israel suffered the most from the fascism during World War II, and "the cases of desecrating memorials to the soldiers that gave their lives in the fight against fascism are completely inadmissible, to say nothing about legal justification of these criminal actions."
Israel Parliament Adopts Decree on Polish Decision to Demolish Soviet Monuments
----

For example, a telegram from the Polish Patriots’ Union states that Polish citizens fighting on the Soviet side – in the so-called Armia Ludowa, or People’s Army – “have created a bridge that unites two brotherly nations.”

A special address of the pro-Communist Polish forces, dated July 1944, calls for all Poles to join the fight against the Nazi occupiers. “Give a proper welcome to our ally – the Red Army – that has great achievements in fighting the Germans. Help our military and Soviet troops to destroy the German forces,” the document reads.

The Defense Ministry also emphasized the importance of numerous reports by Soviet military officers that described cases of mass executions, torture and looting committed by the Nazis against the Polish civilian population, as well as the barbaric destruction of civilian infrastructure and historical legacy by the Nazi troops.

Poland was occupied by the Nazis between 1939 and 1945. About 6 million Poles – 20 percent of the country’s population died in the war and occupation. Over 40,000 Soviet soldiers gave their lives in the operation to liberate Poland.

Declassified Russian Defense Ministry docs show Polish gratitude for WWII liberation

Katyn massacre - Wikipedia

Fuck the Russians and their statues.

Over half a million of Soviet soldiers (Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, even Jews) have fallen for deliberating Poland from Hitler Nazis. Now Polish "servants of the people" want to remove monuments to them (not statues, Toddster, the memorials!). Those Soviet soldiers have sacrificed their lives, what was their fault? SBiker is right: there are plenty of memorials to fallen foreign soldiers in Russia, nobody even admits a thought about removing them. It's a shame for Poland, the older people even remember how they were welcoming and greeting Soviet soldiers, who freed them and their cities from Germans. One guy Alexey Batyan (he's still alive, thanks God) even saved whole city of Krakov from being blown up completely.

Liberation of Poland: the Man who Saved Krakow

Looks like certain people want to rewrite the history and you are supporting them. But the truth will always remain the truth, and it's up to you if you want to figure it out (which is more difficult) or to choose an easy way and to fall for propaganda. But propaganda robs your mind and damages your brain. Look at liberals, they are the bright example of shifting mentality.

Over half a million of Soviet soldiers (Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, even Jews) have fallen for deliberating Poland from Hitler Nazis.

The Soviets, who decided to split Poland with Hitler, and later lost soldiers fighting the Nazis in Poland before enslaving Poland for 40 plus years can take their monuments back to Russia.

Looks like certain people want to rewrite the history

Like the a-holes who call Soviet enslavement "liberation".
I hate those guys.
They should stick a Commie monument up their ass. I'll help!

But propaganda robs your mind and damages your brain.

And vodka. Vodka and propaganda are the worst.

What a pile of BS not based on any historical facts. You are just ignorant and proud of it. There is a saying:

Never start playing chess with a dove. He would scatter chess pieces, crap on the chessboard and after all he would proudly fly away as if he defeated everybody.

What a pile of BS not based on any historical facts.

I agree, Soviet "liberation", what a bunch of crap.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Where are these Soviet Memorial Statues located? Geographical location please. Anyone?

 

[oldsoul]

But, I thought the Russians were our friends...

• The Russian "reset". Oops, that didn't work out.
• "I'll be more flexible after the election." Flexible about what? yoga?
• No problem that the Russians gained access to a bunch of U.S. uranium. Nothing to see here....

Interesting that now the Russians are our most concerning adversary. Oh, right, a Republican is in office now, I almost forgot...

How much U.S. uranium did Russia get? oldsoul

Don't know for sure, don't care. Merely illustrating a point. Was it lost on you?

 

[BlackFlag]

But, I thought the Russians were our friends...

• The Russian "reset". Oops, that didn't work out.
• "I'll be more flexible after the election." Flexible about what? yoga?
• No problem that the Russians gained access to a bunch of U.S. uranium. Nothing to see here....

Interesting that now the Russians are our most concerning adversary. Oh, right, a Republican is in office now, I almost forgot...

How much U.S. uranium did Russia get? oldsoul

Don't know for sure, don't care. Merely illustrating a point. Was it lost on you?

They didn't get any. So your point is a falsehood.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Toddster, I was hoping you were becoming smarter. Oh, well... How did Russians insult you? Looks like you don't know much about Russians (except for propaganda).

BTW, Israel condemns Polish actions same way:

Big witch hunt. Those are witnesses of time and shouldn´t be destroyed by fanatics. Like ISIS smashing antique constructions.

the people of Russia and Israel suffered the most from the fascism during World War II, and "the cases of desecrating memorials to the soldiers that gave their lives in the fight against fascism are completely inadmissible, to say nothing about legal justification of these criminal actions."
Israel Parliament Adopts Decree on Polish Decision to Demolish Soviet Monuments
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The majority of the Jews were German.

Not true, more Jews lived in Poland, than in other countries in Europe at the time.

Most Jews have recent origins in Poland, most German, Russian, Ukrainian, and American Jews came to these lands from Poland, following the Partitions of Poland.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Fuck the Russians.
Dump those monuments in a septic pit.

Toddster, I was hoping you were becoming smarter. Oh, well...

BTW, Israel condemns Polish actions same way:

the people of Russia and Israel suffered the most from the fascism during World War II, and "the cases of desecrating memorials to the soldiers that gave their lives in the fight against fascism are completely inadmissible, to say nothing about legal justification of these criminal actions."
Israel Parliament Adopts Decree on Polish Decision to Demolish Soviet Monuments
----

For example, a telegram from the Polish Patriots’ Union states that Polish citizens fighting on the Soviet side – in the so-called Armia Ludowa, or People’s Army – “have created a bridge that unites two brotherly nations.”

A special address of the pro-Communist Polish forces, dated July 1944, calls for all Poles to join the fight against the Nazi occupiers. “Give a proper welcome to our ally – the Red Army – that has great achievements in fighting the Germans. Help our military and Soviet troops to destroy the German forces,” the document reads.

The Defense Ministry also emphasized the importance of numerous reports by Soviet military officers that described cases of mass executions, torture and looting committed by the Nazis against the Polish civilian population, as well as the barbaric destruction of civilian infrastructure and historical legacy by the Nazi troops.

Poland was occupied by the Nazis between 1939 and 1945. About 6 million Poles – 20 percent of the country’s population died in the war and occupation. Over 40,000 Soviet soldiers gave their lives in the operation to liberate Poland.

Declassified Russian Defense Ministry docs show Polish gratitude for WWII liberation

Katyn massacre - Wikipedia

Fuck the Russians and their statues.

Over half a million of Soviet soldiers (Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, even Jews) have fallen for deliberating Poland from Hitler Nazis. Now Polish "servants of the people" want to remove monuments to them (not statues, Toddster, the memorials!). Those Soviet soldiers have sacrificed their lives, what was their fault? SBiker is right: there are plenty of memorials to fallen foreign soldiers in Russia, nobody even admits a thought about removing them. It's a shame for Poland, the older people even remember how they were welcoming and greeting Soviet soldiers, who freed them and their cities from Germans. One guy Alexey Batyan (he's still alive, thanks God) even saved whole city of Krakov from being blown up completely.

Liberation of Poland: the Man who Saved Krakow

Looks like certain people want to rewrite the history and you are supporting them. But the truth will always remain the truth, and it's up to you if you want to figure it out (which is more difficult) or to choose an easy way and to fall for propaganda. But propaganda robs your mind and damages your brain. Look at liberals, they are the bright example of shifting mentality.

It's not reason for them, all humanistic arguments is nothing for Poland. They respect only brute force... So, while Russia is not ready to show force, to talk with them is a action with void effect... Germans already knew it - so, they could rule of Poland mood as they want

If Poles only respect brute force, how come Poles used less brute force than most others in Europe, historically?

There's only a hand full of people in Europe in the league of Poles when it comes to it's lack of historic brute force, most notably Czechs, Slovaks, Finland, and the Baltic Nations.

You can tell people who respect brute force, by how much they support Israel, generally the might is right kind of people respect Israel's might.

In that regard than no Eastern Europeans would be that way.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Fuck the Russians.
Dump those monuments in a septic pit.

Toddster, I was hoping you were becoming smarter. Oh, well...

BTW, Israel condemns Polish actions same way:

the people of Russia and Israel suffered the most from the fascism during World War II, and "the cases of desecrating memorials to the soldiers that gave their lives in the fight against fascism are completely inadmissible, to say nothing about legal justification of these criminal actions."
Israel Parliament Adopts Decree on Polish Decision to Demolish Soviet Monuments
----

For example, a telegram from the Polish Patriots’ Union states that Polish citizens fighting on the Soviet side – in the so-called Armia Ludowa, or People’s Army – “have created a bridge that unites two brotherly nations.”

A special address of the pro-Communist Polish forces, dated July 1944, calls for all Poles to join the fight against the Nazi occupiers. “Give a proper welcome to our ally – the Red Army – that has great achievements in fighting the Germans. Help our military and Soviet troops to destroy the German forces,” the document reads.

The Defense Ministry also emphasized the importance of numerous reports by Soviet military officers that described cases of mass executions, torture and looting committed by the Nazis against the Polish civilian population, as well as the barbaric destruction of civilian infrastructure and historical legacy by the Nazi troops.

Poland was occupied by the Nazis between 1939 and 1945. About 6 million Poles – 20 percent of the country’s population died in the war and occupation. Over 40,000 Soviet soldiers gave their lives in the operation to liberate Poland.

Declassified Russian Defense Ministry docs show Polish gratitude for WWII liberation

Katyn massacre - Wikipedia

Fuck the Russians and their statues.

Over half a million of Soviet soldiers (Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, even Jews) have fallen for deliberating Poland from Hitler Nazis. Now Polish "servants of the people" want to remove monuments to them (not statues, Toddster, the memorials!). Those Soviet soldiers have sacrificed their lives, what was their fault? SBiker is right: there are plenty of memorials to fallen foreign soldiers in Russia, nobody even admits a thought about removing them. It's a shame for Poland, the older people even remember how they were welcoming and greeting Soviet soldiers, who freed them and their cities from Germans. One guy Alexey Batyan (he's still alive, thanks God) even saved whole city of Krakov from being blown up completely.

Liberation of Poland: the Man who Saved Krakow

Looks like certain people want to rewrite the history and you are supporting them. But the truth will always remain the truth, and it's up to you if you want to figure it out (which is more difficult) or to choose an easy way and to fall for propaganda. But propaganda robs your mind and damages your brain. Look at liberals, they are the bright example of shifting mentality.

The Soviets, who decided to split Poland with Hitler, and later lost soldiers fighting the Nazis in Poland before enslaving Poland for 40 plus years can take their monuments back to Russia.

Not just that, the Soviets made the Nazi German war effort possible, by supplying them much resources in the German - Soviet Credit Agreement / German - Soviet Commercial Agreement.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Fuck the Russians.
Dump those monuments in a septic pit.

Toddster, I was hoping you were becoming smarter. Oh, well...

BTW, Israel condemns Polish actions same way:

the people of Russia and Israel suffered the most from the fascism during World War II, and "the cases of desecrating memorials to the soldiers that gave their lives in the fight against fascism are completely inadmissible, to say nothing about legal justification of these criminal actions."
Israel Parliament Adopts Decree on Polish Decision to Demolish Soviet Monuments
----

For example, a telegram from the Polish Patriots’ Union states that Polish citizens fighting on the Soviet side – in the so-called Armia Ludowa, or People’s Army – “have created a bridge that unites two brotherly nations.”

A special address of the pro-Communist Polish forces, dated July 1944, calls for all Poles to join the fight against the Nazi occupiers. “Give a proper welcome to our ally – the Red Army – that has great achievements in fighting the Germans. Help our military and Soviet troops to destroy the German forces,” the document reads.

The Defense Ministry also emphasized the importance of numerous reports by Soviet military officers that described cases of mass executions, torture and looting committed by the Nazis against the Polish civilian population, as well as the barbaric destruction of civilian infrastructure and historical legacy by the Nazi troops.

Poland was occupied by the Nazis between 1939 and 1945. About 6 million Poles – 20 percent of the country’s population died in the war and occupation. Over 40,000 Soviet soldiers gave their lives in the operation to liberate Poland.

Declassified Russian Defense Ministry docs show Polish gratitude for WWII liberation

Katyn massacre - Wikipedia

Fuck the Russians and their statues.

Over half a million of Soviet soldiers (Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, even Jews) have fallen for deliberating Poland from Hitler Nazis. Now Polish "servants of the people" want to remove monuments to them (not statues, Toddster, the memorials!). Those Soviet soldiers have sacrificed their lives, what was their fault? SBiker is right: there are plenty of memorials to fallen foreign soldiers in Russia, nobody even admits a thought about removing them. It's a shame for Poland, the older people even remember how they were welcoming and greeting Soviet soldiers, who freed them and their cities from Germans. One guy Alexey Batyan (he's still alive, thanks God) even saved whole city of Krakov from being blown up completely.

Liberation of Poland: the Man who Saved Krakow

Looks like certain people want to rewrite the history and you are supporting them. But the truth will always remain the truth, and it's up to you if you want to figure it out (which is more difficult) or to choose an easy way and to fall for propaganda. But propaganda robs your mind and damages your brain. Look at liberals, they are the bright example of shifting mentality.

You mean like how Poland tried to liberate Russia from the evil Soviets in the Polish - Soviet war?

If Poland completely won, far less Russians would have died.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

WWll started when Hitler invaded the western half of Poland, and then Britain and France declared war on Germany. Yet nothing was said about Russia invading eastern Poland at the same time.

Then at the end of WWll all of Poland was handed over to Russia, and they were enslaved by the brutal Soviet communists for several decades.

So I don't blame the Polish people for wanting to rid their country of anything Russian. .....

Soviets were killing ethnic Poles just before WW2.

Over 100,000 Poles were killed in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938.

Actually, until 1938, it was obviously Soviets who were more brutal than the Nazis.

 

[Stratford57]

WWll started when Hitler invaded the western half of Poland, and then Britain and France declared war on Germany. Yet nothing was said about Russia invading eastern Poland at the same time.

Then at the end of WWll all of Poland was handed over to Russia, and they were enslaved by the brutal Soviet communists for several decades.

So I don't blame the Polish people for wanting to rid their country of anything Russian. .....

Soviets were killing ethnic Poles just before WW2.

Over 100,000 Poles were killed in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938.

Actually, until 1938, it was obviously Soviets who were more brutal than the Nazis.

But Polish officials are not removing the NKVD memorials in Poland (those don't even exist). They are going to remove memorials to the fallen Soviet soldiers (half a million people!), who sacrificed their lives to deliberate Poland from Hitler troops. If they haven't, there would have been a lot fewer Poles in the world, including those who now are fighting with monuments.

A lot of myths are substituting the historical truth in some ignorant heads.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

WWll started when Hitler invaded the western half of Poland, and then Britain and France declared war on Germany. Yet nothing was said about Russia invading eastern Poland at the same time.

Then at the end of WWll all of Poland was handed over to Russia, and they were enslaved by the brutal Soviet communists for several decades.

So I don't blame the Polish people for wanting to rid their country of anything Russian. .....

Soviets were killing ethnic Poles just before WW2.

Over 100,000 Poles were killed in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938.

Actually, until 1938, it was obviously Soviets who were more brutal than the Nazis.

But Polish officials are not removing the NKVD memorials in Poland (those don't even exist). They are going to remove memorials to the fallen Soviet soldiers (half a million people!), who sacrificed their lives to deliberate Poland from Hitler troops. If they haven't, there would have been a lot fewer Poles in the world, including those who now are fighting with monuments.

A lot of myths are substituting the historical truth in some ignorant heads.

Some Poles were raped, killed, and sent to Gulag's by these so called "Soviet liberator soldiers'

 

[Pete7469]

Good for Poland. Fuck the Soviets.

Now we need to dig Marx up from British soil and place him under a public toilet in Berlin.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

WWll started when Hitler invaded the western half of Poland, and then Britain and France declared war on Germany. Yet nothing was said about Russia invading eastern Poland at the same time.

Then at the end of WWll all of Poland was handed over to Russia, and they were enslaved by the brutal Soviet communists for several decades.

So I don't blame the Polish people for wanting to rid their country of anything Russian. .....

Soviets were killing ethnic Poles just before WW2.

Over 100,000 Poles were killed in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938.

Actually, until 1938, it was obviously Soviets who were more brutal than the Nazis.

But Polish officials are not removing the NKVD memorials in Poland (those don't even exist). They are going to remove memorials to the fallen Soviet soldiers (half a million people!), who sacrificed their lives to deliberate Poland from Hitler troops. If they haven't, there would have been a lot fewer Poles in the world, including those who now are fighting with monuments.

A lot of myths are substituting the historical truth in some ignorant heads.

who sacrificed their lives to deliberate Poland from Hitler troops.

What good was this "liberation" when it was replaced by Soviet enslavement?

A lot of myths are substituting the historical truth in some ignorant heads.

Like the myth that Stalin was better than Hitler, that the Commies were better than the Nazis.

 

[IsaacNewton]

The Russians had a secret deal with Hitler, he would invade and occupy western Poland and the Russians would invade and occupy eastern Poland. Which they did.

Poland is a member of NATO so Russia can suck the pipe. Russia thinks they are in this new era where they can threaten all the rest of the world. Sorry Charlie those days are long gone. Poland is finally acknowledging Russias complicity with Hitler on invading and annexing Poland into Germany and Russia. Its way past time to remove all the Russians statues, flags, and memorials to their invasion of Poland.

They sound like the whiners in the US who cry about the removal of the Confederate flag and statues and monuments to the losers of the south that fought against America.

 

[Sbiker]

Fuck the Russians.
Dump those monuments in a septic pit.

Toddster, I was hoping you were becoming smarter. Oh, well...

BTW, Israel condemns Polish actions same way:

the people of Russia and Israel suffered the most from the fascism during World War II, and "the cases of desecrating memorials to the soldiers that gave their lives in the fight against fascism are completely inadmissible, to say nothing about legal justification of these criminal actions."
Israel Parliament Adopts Decree on Polish Decision to Demolish Soviet Monuments
----

For example, a telegram from the Polish Patriots’ Union states that Polish citizens fighting on the Soviet side – in the so-called Armia Ludowa, or People’s Army – “have created a bridge that unites two brotherly nations.”

A special address of the pro-Communist Polish forces, dated July 1944, calls for all Poles to join the fight against the Nazi occupiers. “Give a proper welcome to our ally – the Red Army – that has great achievements in fighting the Germans. Help our military and Soviet troops to destroy the German forces,” the document reads.

The Defense Ministry also emphasized the importance of numerous reports by Soviet military officers that described cases of mass executions, torture and looting committed by the Nazis against the Polish civilian population, as well as the barbaric destruction of civilian infrastructure and historical legacy by the Nazi troops.

Poland was occupied by the Nazis between 1939 and 1945. About 6 million Poles – 20 percent of the country’s population died in the war and occupation. Over 40,000 Soviet soldiers gave their lives in the operation to liberate Poland.

Declassified Russian Defense Ministry docs show Polish gratitude for WWII liberation

Katyn massacre - Wikipedia

Fuck the Russians and their statues.

Over half a million of Soviet soldiers (Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, even Jews) have fallen for deliberating Poland from Hitler Nazis. Now Polish "servants of the people" want to remove monuments to them (not statues, Toddster, the memorials!). Those Soviet soldiers have sacrificed their lives, what was their fault? SBiker is right: there are plenty of memorials to fallen foreign soldiers in Russia, nobody even admits a thought about removing them. It's a shame for Poland, the older people even remember how they were welcoming and greeting Soviet soldiers, who freed them and their cities from Germans. One guy Alexey Batyan (he's still alive, thanks God) even saved whole city of Krakov from being blown up completely.

Liberation of Poland: the Man who Saved Krakow

Looks like certain people want to rewrite the history and you are supporting them. But the truth will always remain the truth, and it's up to you if you want to figure it out (which is more difficult) or to choose an easy way and to fall for propaganda. But propaganda robs your mind and damages your brain. Look at liberals, they are the bright example of shifting mentality.

It's not reason for them, all humanistic arguments is nothing for Poland. They respect only brute force... So, while Russia is not ready to show force, to talk with them is a action with void effect... Germans already knew it - so, they could rule of Poland mood as they want

If Poles only respect brute force, how come Poles used less brute force than most others in Europe, historically?

Poles came to Russia in 1612 and in 1812 (with Napoleon) as aggressors. Poland got a several Russian territories in 1921 while Russia was weak..

Why the western countries left Poland alone in 1939, faced to Hitler attack? Because they didn't saw a difference between aggressive Poland and aggressive Germany. Poland always perform aggression against Russia, trying to take some of territories, but usually don't able to gather enough strength to act independently...

There's only a hand full of people in Europe in the league of Poles when it comes to it's lack of historic brute force, most notably Czechs, Slovaks, Finland, and the Baltic Nations.

But this countries didn't organize concentration camps for Russian soldiers, to murder them in violation of Zheneva convention.

You can tell people who respect brute force, by how much they support Israel, generally the might is right kind of people respect Israel's might.

In that regard than no Eastern Europeans would be that way.

Because now Israel have a solid lobby in world politics. By the way, Osventsim was at Poland territory...

 

[Sbiker]

WWll started when Hitler invaded the western half of Poland, and then Britain and France declared war on Germany. Yet nothing was said about Russia invading eastern Poland at the same time.

Then at the end of WWll all of Poland was handed over to Russia, and they were enslaved by the brutal Soviet communists for several decades.

So I don't blame the Polish people for wanting to rid their country of anything Russian. .....

Soviets were killing ethnic Poles just before WW2.

Over 100,000 Poles were killed in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938.

Actually, until 1938, it was obviously Soviets who were more brutal than the Nazis.

First answer, where is about 80.000 Red Army soldiers, captured by Poland in Soviet-Poland war and didn't returned back after this war?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Toddster, I was hoping you were becoming smarter. Oh, well...

BTW, Israel condemns Polish actions same way:

the people of Russia and Israel suffered the most from the fascism during World War II, and "the cases of desecrating memorials to the soldiers that gave their lives in the fight against fascism are completely inadmissible, to say nothing about legal justification of these criminal actions."
Israel Parliament Adopts Decree on Polish Decision to Demolish Soviet Monuments
----

For example, a telegram from the Polish Patriots’ Union states that Polish citizens fighting on the Soviet side – in the so-called Armia Ludowa, or People’s Army – “have created a bridge that unites two brotherly nations.”

A special address of the pro-Communist Polish forces, dated July 1944, calls for all Poles to join the fight against the Nazi occupiers. “Give a proper welcome to our ally – the Red Army – that has great achievements in fighting the Germans. Help our military and Soviet troops to destroy the German forces,” the document reads.

The Defense Ministry also emphasized the importance of numerous reports by Soviet military officers that described cases of mass executions, torture and looting committed by the Nazis against the Polish civilian population, as well as the barbaric destruction of civilian infrastructure and historical legacy by the Nazi troops.

Poland was occupied by the Nazis between 1939 and 1945. About 6 million Poles – 20 percent of the country’s population died in the war and occupation. Over 40,000 Soviet soldiers gave their lives in the operation to liberate Poland.

Declassified Russian Defense Ministry docs show Polish gratitude for WWII liberation

Katyn massacre - Wikipedia

Fuck the Russians and their statues.

Over half a million of Soviet soldiers (Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, even Jews) have fallen for deliberating Poland from Hitler Nazis. Now Polish "servants of the people" want to remove monuments to them (not statues, Toddster, the memorials!). Those Soviet soldiers have sacrificed their lives, what was their fault? SBiker is right: there are plenty of memorials to fallen foreign soldiers in Russia, nobody even admits a thought about removing them. It's a shame for Poland, the older people even remember how they were welcoming and greeting Soviet soldiers, who freed them and their cities from Germans. One guy Alexey Batyan (he's still alive, thanks God) even saved whole city of Krakov from being blown up completely.

Liberation of Poland: the Man who Saved Krakow

Looks like certain people want to rewrite the history and you are supporting them. But the truth will always remain the truth, and it's up to you if you want to figure it out (which is more difficult) or to choose an easy way and to fall for propaganda. But propaganda robs your mind and damages your brain. Look at liberals, they are the bright example of shifting mentality.

It's not reason for them, all humanistic arguments is nothing for Poland. They respect only brute force... So, while Russia is not ready to show force, to talk with them is a action with void effect... Germans already knew it - so, they could rule of Poland mood as they want

If Poles only respect brute force, how come Poles used less brute force than most others in Europe, historically?

Poles came to Russia in 1612 and in 1812 (with Napoleon) as aggressors. Poland got a several Russian territories in 1921 while Russia was weak..

Why the western countries left Poland alone in 1939, faced to Hitler attack? Because they didn't saw a difference between aggressive Poland and aggressive Germany. Poland always perform aggression against Russia, trying to take some of territories, but usually don't able to gather enough strength to act independently...

There's only a hand full of people in Europe in the league of Poles when it comes to it's lack of historic brute force, most notably Czechs, Slovaks, Finland, and the Baltic Nations.

But this countries didn't organize concentration camps for Russian soldiers, to murder them in violation of Zheneva convention.

You can tell people who respect brute force, by how much they support Israel, generally the might is right kind of people respect Israel's might.

In that regard than no Eastern Europeans would be that way.

Because now Israel have a solid lobby in world politics. By the way, Osventsim was at Poland territory...

Some Russians invited in Poland in the Polish Muscovite War of 1605 - 1618.

Napoleon had liberated Poland.

Poland didn't attack the real Russia in the Polish - Soviet War, they had attacked only Soviets.

 

[Sbiker]

The Russians had a secret deal with Hitler, he would invade and occupy western Poland and the Russians would invade and occupy eastern Poland. Which they did.

Poland is a member of NATO so Russia can suck the pipe. Russia thinks they are in this new era where they can threaten all the rest of the world. Sorry Charlie those days are long gone. Poland is finally acknowledging Russias complicity with Hitler on invading and annexing Poland into Germany and Russia. Its way past time to remove all the Russians statues, flags, and memorials to their invasion of Poland.

They sound like the whiners in the US who cry about the removal of the Confederate flag and statues and monuments to the losers of the south that fought against America.

You're right, Russian statues must be at Russian territory... Putin have to return statues, either lands, they establishes, to Russia. There are not third way in this situation.

 

[Sbiker]

Katyn massacre - Wikipedia

Fuck the Russians and their statues.

Over half a million of Soviet soldiers (Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, even Jews) have fallen for deliberating Poland from Hitler Nazis. Now Polish "servants of the people" want to remove monuments to them (not statues, Toddster, the memorials!). Those Soviet soldiers have sacrificed their lives, what was their fault? SBiker is right: there are plenty of memorials to fallen foreign soldiers in Russia, nobody even admits a thought about removing them. It's a shame for Poland, the older people even remember how they were welcoming and greeting Soviet soldiers, who freed them and their cities from Germans. One guy Alexey Batyan (he's still alive, thanks God) even saved whole city of Krakov from being blown up completely.

Liberation of Poland: the Man who Saved Krakow

Looks like certain people want to rewrite the history and you are supporting them. But the truth will always remain the truth, and it's up to you if you want to figure it out (which is more difficult) or to choose an easy way and to fall for propaganda. But propaganda robs your mind and damages your brain. Look at liberals, they are the bright example of shifting mentality.

It's not reason for them, all humanistic arguments is nothing for Poland. They respect only brute force... So, while Russia is not ready to show force, to talk with them is a action with void effect... Germans already knew it - so, they could rule of Poland mood as they want

If Poles only respect brute force, how come Poles used less brute force than most others in Europe, historically?

Poles came to Russia in 1612 and in 1812 (with Napoleon) as aggressors. Poland got a several Russian territories in 1921 while Russia was weak..

Why the western countries left Poland alone in 1939, faced to Hitler attack? Because they didn't saw a difference between aggressive Poland and aggressive Germany. Poland always perform aggression against Russia, trying to take some of territories, but usually don't able to gather enough strength to act independently...

There's only a hand full of people in Europe in the league of Poles when it comes to it's lack of historic brute force, most notably Czechs, Slovaks, Finland, and the Baltic Nations.

But this countries didn't organize concentration camps for Russian soldiers, to murder them in violation of Zheneva convention.

You can tell people who respect brute force, by how much they support Israel, generally the might is right kind of people respect Israel's might.

In that regard than no Eastern Europeans would be that way.

Because now Israel have a solid lobby in world politics. By the way, Osventsim was at Poland territory...

Some Russians invited in Poland in the Polish Muscovite War of 1605 - 1618.

Napoleon had liberated Poland.

Poland didn't attack the real Russia in the Polish - Soviet War, they had attacked only Soviets.

So why do you punish statues of Russian soldiers for the crimes of Soviets?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

WWll started when Hitler invaded the western half of Poland, and then Britain and France declared war on Germany. Yet nothing was said about Russia invading eastern Poland at the same time.

Then at the end of WWll all of Poland was handed over to Russia, and they were enslaved by the brutal Soviet communists for several decades.

So I don't blame the Polish people for wanting to rid their country of anything Russian. .....

Soviets were killing ethnic Poles just before WW2.

Over 100,000 Poles were killed in the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938.

Actually, until 1938, it was obviously Soviets who were more brutal than the Nazis.

First answer, where is about 80.000 Red Army soldiers, captured by Poland in Soviet-Poland war and didn't returned back after this war?

The Red Army started the Russian Civil War killing 4 - 16 million Russians, another 6 million died in the Volga Famine caused by resources taking from this war.