Russia issues list of demands it says must be met to lower tensions in Europe

[Silver Cat]

Stoltenberg opposed a new conference with Russia on spheres of influence

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg rejected the idea of a dialogue with Russia on spheres of influence. Holding such a conference is a step back, he said in an interview with the Journal de Dimanche newspaper.

"The idea of a new conference where we re-discuss areas of influence in which the great powers could control what their neighbors can and cannot do would force us to retreat, and this is completely the wrong direction," he said.

On the other hand, NATO stands for discussing confidence-building measures, arms control, transparency of exercises, reducing tensions and "everything that could improve relations" with Russia.
"But not at the expense of violating our fundamental principles," Stoltenberg stressed.

The NATO Secretary General said that Moscow "de facto demands the return of Ukraine to the sphere of influence" of Russia, and in the event of an invasion of Ukrainian territory, it will have to "pay a high price."

The NATO military alliance continues its expansion process, despite protests from Russia, Stoltenberg said on December 16.
"NATO continues the process of expansion. We have already accepted Montenegro and Northern Macedonia, despite the protests of Russia," Stoltenberg said.

He noted that the alliance will not compromise with Russia, which demands to reconsider the alliance's promise to "eventually accept" Ukraine and Georgia, given at the NATO summit in Bucharest in April 2008.

On December 17, the Russian Foreign Ministry published drafts of a treaty with the United States and an agreement with the NATO military alliance on guarantees and security. In particular, the documents suggest a refusal to deploy medium- and shorter-range ground-based missiles outside its territory and a refusal to expand the NATO military bloc to the east.
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America refuses the outstretched hand of friendship and cooperation... Well, she doesn't want a DIALOGUE in this format today... And I wonder why? Does Capital want to solve all its economic and political problems at the expense of a "small victorious war" with Russia?
Do you understand what monsters rule you?

Stoltenberg is not America. Sleeping Joe is just wait for his meeting with Mr. Andropov.

 

[ESay]

You know English, you know Russian, you live in the Russian-speaking region.

Oh, you think that my mentality is half-Ukrainian and half-Russian? Maybe, I don't know. I hope that I am far from the both.

 

[Silver Cat]

Oh, you think that my mentality is half-Ukrainian and half-Russian? Maybe, I don't know. I hope that I am far from the both.

Jewish and Poleshuk?

 

[Baron]

Russian draft documents on legal security guarantees from the United States and NATO | The Vineyard of the Saker

A bird's eye view of the vineyard

thesaker.is

Sounds like a last chance to prevent a war.

You can't prevent WWIII
The West badly needs the war to eliminate Russia, China and at best 99% of own citizens

 

[ESay]

Jewish and Poleshuk?

Neither of both.

 

[Baron]

all these demands are born dead, nobody is going to accept it and Putin knows it, it's just a step to expose Western aggression prior to the war.

It was an idiotic effort, Putin made Russia and himself laughable.
The West believes there are too much humans on the Earth,it isn't good for the 'climate protection'
Scamdemic CV19 isn't gonna help, so a nuclear WWIII would be probably better.

 

[Ringo]

It was an idiotic effort, Putin made Russia and himself laughable.
The West believes there are too much humans on the Earth,it isn't good for the 'climate protection'
Scamdemic CV19 isn't gonna help, so a nuclear WWIII would be probably better.

 

[Ringo]

"Next week, NATO will discuss Russian security proposals"

Well, what can work out a bunch of perverted elves, who are convinced, or rather, they have firmware, that Bruce Willis will arrive at the end of the film and save them all

 

[Siberian]

Baron, do you play chess?
In chess players make more moves than just one.
Do you know Putin's next move? Do you know his next 3 moves?

 

[Baron]

Baron, do you play chess?
In chess players make more moves than just one.
Do you know Putin's next move? Do you know his next 3 moves?

Which kind of 'moves' do you talking about?
Through the last twenty years we can see only NATO's moving directly to the Russian border.
Only strong Russia can prevent WWIII, not a weak one.
Russia shall stop any negotiations with NATO, it's simple empty wasting of time.
Any NATO's 'guarantee' will be immediately forgotten after the ink on the paper had dried up.
Moreover almost all western 'leaders' are insane lying psychopaths who care a shit about their previous promises.
By the way, how you can trust Putin who performs the vaccination genocide in one team with Gates,Biden, Schwab, Fauci & Co?

Russia ( not the chess player Putin ) shall take Novorossia back, stop insane 'vaccination' and cut any relations with the West.

 

[Baron]

"Next week, NATO will discuss Russian security proposals"

Well, what can work out a bunch of perverted elves, who are convinced, or rather, they have firmware, that Bruce Willis will arrive at the end of the film and save them all

For reason of convenience NATO shall write its 'guarantees' on the toilet paper directly
NATO badly needs a war with Russia as long it's still weak and run by Putin.

 

[Siberian]

Which kind of 'moves' do you talking about?
Through the last twenty years we can see only NATO's moving directly to the Russian border.
Only strong Russia can prevent WWIII, not a weak one.
Russia shall stop any negotiations with NATO, it's simple empty wasting of time.
Any NATO's 'guarantee' will be immediately forgotten after the ink on the paper had dried up.
Moreover almost all western 'leaders' are insane lying psychopaths who care a shit about their previous promises.
By the way, how you can trust Putin who performs the vaccination genocide in one team with Gates,Biden, Schwab, Fauci & Co?

Russia ( not the chess player Putin ) shall take Novorossia back, stop insane 'vaccination' and cut any relations with the West.

ok, let us wait and see.

 

[Baron]

The author knows more as the entirely Kremlin with its moronic 'advisors'

Washington Spits In the Kremlin’s Eye |

www.paulcraigroberts.org

 

[Baron]

ok, let us wait and see.

Read what the guy says, he is ten times more clever as Putin & Co

Washington Spits In the Kremlin’s Eye |

www.paulcraigroberts.org

 

[Baron]

ok, let us wait and see.

Since 2014 Putin is waiting longer as 7 years
More as 20,000 Russians have been brutally murdered in Donbass.

Russia is an enemy for the West and NATO, it will be never peace between them.

Russia shall take Novorossia back and cut any relations with the West.

 

[frigidweirdo]

because Russia finds it dangerous for itself. or, as it recently said, it will go into the mode of creating reciprocal military threats to the US.

European countries may wish whatever they want, it doesn't mean the US must do it.
If Europeans want the US to give a $ million to every EU citizen - will the US do it?
especially when we see that it is not Europeans who want American intervention, if the US imposes sanctions on Germany for building Nord Stream-2..
the same is with US military build up on Russian borders, except a couple of US puppets like Ukraine, ehere the US overthrew a ligitimate president with a coup and installed a Nazi government.

Europe is not a little child, it is rich, developed etc., it can afford itself the army 5 times bigger and stronger than Russian one. Let Europe act on its own, including guaranteeing common security in the continent, without American intervention.

Let US keep its aggression within its own borders.

Russia seems to find everything dangerous. It creates situations in order to find them dangerous. I mean, the US hasn't invaded Russia since 1991. It would have easy have done in the 1990s, but now it would be less easy. So why does Russia feel a threat?

It doesn't. This is just Putin making himself important.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Does it mean, that the US also shouldn't have care about Russian missiles in Cuba back in 1962?
The USA had three opportunities:
1) To start the war against Fidel's regime before he got significant Soviet military help;
2) To violate international laws by recon flights, start blockade, find Soviet ballistic missiles, treat the USSR with all out nuclear war, and withdraw American medium-range missiles from Europe;
3) To do nothing, and to be suddenly nuked by Soviets in March 1963.

What would you choose?

There was a big difference between the Cuban Missile Crisis than what's happening now.

Firstly because the US and the USSR were in a cold war at the time. Now they're not.

This "crisis" has appeared out of nowhere. Just Putin is bored. Needs to deflect attention away from his handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

 

[Silver Cat]

Russia seems to find everything dangerous. It creates situations in order to find them dangerous. I mean, the US hasn't invaded Russia since 1991. It would have easy have done in the 1990s, but now it would be less easy. So why does Russia feel a threat?

It doesn't. This is just Putin making himself important.

Actually, the Russians think different. For example, they consider Serbians as a "sister-nation" and the US aggression against Serbia was one of the main reasons to choose Putin as a leader. Also, western support of anti-Russian terrorists in Chechnya, Georgian aggression against Russian peacekeepers and Russian civilians, NATO support of Nazies in Baltic States and Ukraine... Yes, it does really revive all Russian fears about nice Western custom of invasions in Russia. Hitler, Napoleon, Charles XII of Sweden, False Dmitry, Northern Crusades and many, many others. Many of them really believe that Western intention is to kill them all (and they have pretty good reasons to think so), therefore nuclear war is much better option than Pax Americana.

 

[Siberian]

Russia seems to find everything dangerous. It creates situations in order to find them dangerous. I mean, the US hasn't invaded Russia since 1991. It would have easy have done in the 1990s, but now it would be less easy. So why does Russia feel a threat?

It doesn't. This is just Putin making himself important.

on 08.08.2008 Georgian troops under US direct encouragement invaded South Ossetia, killing Russian peacekeepers.

in 2014 the US ogranized a coup turning a friendly neighbour Ukraine into a Nazi Russophobic state

but actually whatever a reason, it's enough that we concider such a small nuance as US military presence at our borders dangerous.

this ultimatum is an invitation to go to strictly reciptocal situation.

I think it is meant to be rejected by the US, since it doesn't recognize others' rights

so, I am quite curious now what Putin is going to do, but I expect it to be quite unpleasant for the US, like Poseidon nuclear drones 50 miles away fron New York..

which will whipe America out of existence for 300 miles into the continent with nuclear tsunami, if nesessary. with following radioactive fall out which will make another 1000 miles uninhabitable for next 100 000 years

 

[Siberian]

there is a proverb

the History leads those who agree
but History drags those who disagree

the US-centered World is over, the US must understand and accept its place of regional power and stick to North American continent.

if it doesn't want - it will be forced

if I understand Putin correctly