Roosevelt/WWII

[midcan5]

The greatest would have to be FDR, crippled, a world wide depression, the great war, how many could have gone through all that, and yet he screwed up with the Japanese internment. Definitely tough times, and that work laid the foundations for our liberal democracy that raised the boats for so many. LBJ continued that tough leveling task. Reagan was the beginning of the end and while I think he realized he screwed up, his ideas appealed to the greedy and imperialists and today we see the fruits of Reagan in corporate greed and an illegal war.

 

[BrianH]

The greatest would have to be FDR, crippled, a world wide depression, the great war, how many could have gone through all that, and yet he screwed up with the Japanese internment. Definitely tough times, and that work laid the foundations for our liberal democracy that raised the boats for so many. LBJ continued that tough leveling task. Reagan was the beginning of the end and while I think he realized he screwed up, his ideas appealed to the greedy and imperialists and today we see the fruits of Reagan in corporate greed and an illegal war.

The Great War was World War I (FDR was not president)--but I know what you mean. I agree the FDR is up their also, for the crap he had to deal with in office. Those Roosevelts are BAD A! We should look for a descendant.

 

[Swamp Fox]

The greatest would have to be FDR, crippled, a world wide depression, the great war, how many could have gone through all that, and yet he screwed up with the Japanese internment. Definitely tough times, and that work laid the foundations for our liberal democracy that raised the boats for so many. LBJ continued that tough leveling task. Reagan was the beginning of the end and while I think he realized he screwed up, his ideas appealed to the greedy and imperialists and today we see the fruits of Reagan in corporate greed and an illegal war.

Figures you would pick all the ones with socialist leanings. How about some respect for those who felt Americans should be able to stand for themselves and not suck off the government tit for their well being?

 

[Gunny]

Figures you would pick all the ones with socialist leanings. How about some respect for those who felt Americans should be able to stand for themselves and not suck off the government tit for their well being?

Y'know, I actually agree that FDR was one of the best. I don't agree with socialism, but you have to put FDR in context with his time. We were in a world-wide depression. He had to pull us out of it. I think he did it the best way he knew how, and the best way it could be done in the amount if time it was.

However, some of the socialist programs that still linger from that time have hurt us. They created a couple of generations of people and their descendents who have this mentality that they are entitled instead of having to make their own way. You see some on these message boards. The government should be mollycoddling anyone with a cut or scrape ... well so long as they support thise programs.

I just think given the circumstances he was, he did the right and only thing he could. I also think programs like social security are a antiquated and should be put out of their misery.

 

[nomdeplume]

Y'know, I actually agree that FDR was one of the best. I don't agree with socialism, but you have to put FDR in context with his time. We were in a world-wide depression. He had to pull us out of it. I think he did it the best way he knew how, and the best way it could be done in the amount if time it was.

However, some of the socialist programs that still linger from that time have hurt us. They created a couple of generations of people and their descendents who have this mentality that they are entitled instead of having to make their own way. You see some on these message boards. The government should be mollycoddling anyone with a cut or scrape ... well so long as they support thise programs.

I just think given the circumstances he was, he did the right and only thing he could. I also think programs like social security are a antiquated and should be put out of their misery.

He would have been a great president if he would have ripped the throat out of the soviet union. Instead, he is just an opportunistic Jew-tool.

 

[Gunny]

He would have been a great president if he would have ripped the throat out of the soviet union. Instead, he is just an opportunistic Jew-tool.

Who? Roosevelt? We don't really know WHAT he would have done. He died before WW II ended. Truman had the reins. That he was willing to not confront Stalin while Stalin was keeping Hitler busy on one flank is just sound strategy. The USSR really DID take a BIG brunt of the war.

Besides, Churchill was talking out his butt. The Euro-Allies faced the same thing Hitler did ... Russia is a LOT bigger than people think. The expanse alone is too much.

We'd have had to nuke them. No one had a large enough army to tackle and occupy Russia at the time.

 

[nomdeplume]

Who? Roosevelt? We don't really know WHAT he would have done. He died before WW II ended. Truman had the reins. That he was willing to not confront Stalin while Stalin was keeping Hitler busy on one flank is just sound strategy. The USSR really DID take a BIG brunt of the war.

Besides, Churchill was talking out his butt. The Euro-Allies faced the same thing Hitler did ... Russia is a LOT bigger than people think. The expanse alone is too much.

We'd have had to nuke them. No one had a large enough army to tackle and occupy Russia at the time.

No one needed to occupy the country, just get rid of all the communist leaders. There was a reason the commie cocksucks had orders, and routinely performed them, for shooting citizens who would not fight for the soviets. It's also why the Nazis found it very easy to get recruits in already conquered parts of the USSR. They knew who the real evil was, and it wasn't Hitler.

Now the dumb fuck antics of FDR not only damned eastern europe to hell for decades, but it forced us into the coldwar. Add up the fucking dollars we could have spent on something usefel instead of enough nukes to blow out fucking planet up 20 times over.

 

[Gunny]

No one needed to occupy the country, just get rid of all the communist leaders. There was a reason the commie cocksucks had orders, and routinely performed them, for shooting citizens who would not fight for the soviets. It's also why the Nazis found it very easy to get recruits in already conquered parts of the USSR. They knew who the real evil was, and it wasn't Hitler.

Now the dumb fuck antics of FDR not only damned eastern europe to hell for decades, but it forced us into the coldwar. Add up the fucking dollars we could have spent on something usefel instead of enough nukes to blow out fucking planet up 20 times over.

I don't disagree that Stalin and the Soviet machine were an "evil." The in no way lessens the fact that Hitler and the 3rd Reich were every bit as much so.

I'm still not sure what "antics" you are blaming on FDR. He made a strategically sound decision to support the Soviet Union. They were keeping Hitler otherwise occupied while we did our usual piddling around of building up our forces. Had Hitler only to concentrate on England and let his damned generals run the war, he could easily have taken it. That leaves us without a stationary aircraft carrier and supply depot which was the UK.

FDR also had a two-front war to deal with.

And don't kid yourself. Whoever is our President at the time might be a dolt, and our government may suck at any one given time, but you step foot on US soil as an invading army and YOU are the enemy. Perhaps a few of those that took the short end of the stick from the Soviets would turn, but by and large, most would fight on the side of their nation.

 

[Annie]

It appears nomdeplume has been reading Pat Buchanan. What do you think of Israel, Nom?

 

[jillian]

Who? Roosevelt? We don't really know WHAT he would have done. He died before WW II ended. Truman had the reins. That he was willing to not confront Stalin while Stalin was keeping Hitler busy on one flank is just sound strategy. The USSR really DID take a BIG brunt of the war.

Besides, Churchill was talking out his butt. The Euro-Allies faced the same thing Hitler did ... Russia is a LOT bigger than people think. The expanse alone is too much.

We'd have had to nuke them. No one had a large enough army to tackle and occupy Russia at the time.

not to mention that Roosevelt let how many millions of Jews die while sitting around?

I agree it was a strategic thing, but "jew tool"? only to an antisemite, since Roosevelt wouldn't have thought twice about letting the rest die if it suited his interests. (and yes, I know I'm preaching to the choir).

 

[nomdeplume]

not to mention that Roosevelt let how many millions of Jews die while sitting around?

I agree it was a strategic thing, but "jew tool"? only to an antisemite, since Roosevelt wouldn't have thought twice about letting the rest die if it suited his interests. (and yes, I know I'm preaching to the choir).

Hey dumb fuck, no one knew anything about Jews being massacred wholesale until after the war. You might try to actually spend your time educating yourself on things before you offer your ignorant opinion of those things. OR you can go back to rep whoring and being an ignorant twat the rest of your miserable life.

Edit: btw, we did know BEFORE the war and DURING the war of the soviets genocide of Christians and Ukrainians, but the Jew-owned media in this country never felt like telling you ignorant hoi polloi.

 

[Gunny]

not to mention that Roosevelt let how many millions of Jews die while sitting around?

I agree it was a strategic thing, but "jew tool"? only to an antisemite, since Roosevelt wouldn't have thought twice about letting the rest die if it suited his interests. (and yes, I know I'm preaching to the choir).

The way I have read and heard it, FDR knew about the Nazi extermination camps and kept the info secret because he feared it would cause a loss of support at home for the war.

I guess it depends on how you want to look at it. What would disclosure of the knowledge to the general public have gained? Nothing from a strategic standpoint. We STILL wouldn't have gotten to them any sooner. But it could have harmed support for taking out Hitler if the Jew-haters in this country and others -- most notably England -- had managed to twist it into a "We're fighting for the Jews" thing.

Big-picture-wise, I think he made the right decision that led to quickest conclusion there was going to be.

 

[Gunny]

Hey dumb fuck, no one knew anything about Jews being massacred wholesale until after the war. You might try to actually spend your time educating yourself on things before you offer your ignorant opinion of those things. OR you can go back to rep whoring and being an ignorant twat the rest of your miserable life.

Edit: btw, we did know BEFORE the war and DURING the war of the soviets genocide of Christians and Ukrainians, but the Jew-owned media in this country never felt like telling you ignorant hoi polloi.

Tone down the language please.

I disagree. England knew, and they told Roosevelt before even Operation Overlord took place. See my previous post.

 

[Annie]

Tone down the language please.

I disagree. England knew, and they told Roosevelt before even Operation Overlord took place. See my previous post.

Thank you. First moderation of this guy I've seen. He may have valid points, or not, but his way of expressing shuts down dialog.

 

[nomdeplume]

The way I have read and heard it, FDR knew about the Nazi extermination camps and kept the info secret because he feared it would cause a loss of support at home for the war.

Source or its bullshit.

I guess it depends on how you want to look at it. What would disclosure of the knowledge to the general public have gained? Nothing from a strategic standpoint. We STILL wouldn't have gotten to them any sooner. But it could have harmed support for taking out Hitler if the Jew-haters in this country and others -- most notably England -- had managed to twist it into a "We're fighting for the Jews" thing.

Big-picture-wise, I think he made the right decision that led to quickest conclusion there was going to be.

Do you know how many people stalin and his comisars genocidally cleansed from Russia? Many, many times more than the nazis did. Do you know what we could have done scientifically with the massive amounts of money and resources both the USSR and the USA wasted in the cold war?

It was the single greatest, most stupid choice ever. We should have let the Germans destroy the soviets infrastructure entirely. By that time, their resources would have been so taxed, soldiers so low in morale from constant war, and most troops so far removed from Germany, we could have swept in and taken Germany nearly bloodlessly. Then the troops would give up. Even though it was surrender, they would have destroyed the greatest threat the earth has evver seen.

Hitler let all the allies live and escape at Dunkirk because he thought that they would realize that the real threat to the world was the USSR and actually fight against them at some point. He underestimated the bigotries of the British however, and the control Jews exerted on american media and political life.

Remember that both Germany and the USSR invaded Poland at the exact same time, yet war was only declared against the Germans. These are old bigotries and jingoisms that go back to world war 1 where the "allies" were humilated and nominally defeated by the much smaller in number yet much better and more effecient Germans.

Now a better question, why the fuck did we get into WW1 that actually lead to WW2? Our wonderful Jew friends. Initially the Jew media was propagandizing the war FOR the Germans. Why? Because they hated imperial Russia. Then the British offered Israel for the Jews, in subtle terms, and then it was jusyt like a switch that went on, then the noble Germans suddenly morphed into muderous Belgium baby eating monsters.

 

[Annie]

Source or its bullshit.




Do you know how many people stalin and his comisars genocidally cleansed from Russia? Many, many times more than the nazis did. Do you know what we could have done scientifically with the massive amounts of money and resources both the USSR and the USA wasted in the cold war?

It was the single greatest, most stupid choice ever. We should have let the Germans destroy the soviets infrastructure entirely. By that time, their resources would have been so taxed, soldiers so low in morale from constant war, and most troops so far removed from Germany, we could have swept in and taken Germany nearly bloodlessly. Then the troops would give up. Even though it was surrender, they would have destroyed the greatest threat the earth has evver seen.

Hitler let all the allies live and escape at Dunkirk because he thought that they would realize that the real threat to the world was the USSR and actually fight against them at some point. He underestimated the bigotries of the British however, and the control Jews exerted on american media and political life.

Remember that both Germany and the USSR invaded Poland at the exact same time, yet war was only declared against the Germans. These are old bigotries and jingoisms that go back to world war 1 where the "allies" were humilated and nominally defeated by the much smaller in number yet much better and more effecient Germans.

Now a better question, why the fuck did we get into WW1 that actually lead to WW2? Our wonderful Jew friends. Initially the Jew media was propagandizing the war FOR the Germans. Why? Because they hated imperial Russia. Then the British offered Israel for the Jews, in subtle terms, and then it was jusyt like a switch that went on, then the noble Germans suddenly morphed into muderous Belgium baby eating monsters.

I dunno:

Anti-Semitism Rife on Yahoo Message Boards - June 26, 2008 - The New York Sun

Anti-Semitism Rife on Yahoo Message Boards

By JOHN THOMPSON, Special to the Sun
June 26, 2008
Anti-Semitism Rife on Yahoo Message Boards - June 26, 2008 - The New York Sun

While the subprime mortgage crisis roils the market, a profusion of anti-Semitic rhetoric has exploded against companies like Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers Holdings on online message boards maintained by Yahoo.

"The Jews at Goldman are responsible for high oil prices," one user on a Yahoo message board for Goldman Sachs wrote recently. "Yeah, not one word from the media about how the greedy Jews have brought this whole financial mess on the world. Wonder why that is?" said another poster on a message board for Lehman Brothers Holdings.

These comments and others like them have drawn the attention of the Anti-Defamation League and public relations officers from firms named on the message boards, who are approaching Yahoo about cleaning up the sites.

"We don't have any affiliation with the site," a spokeswoman at Goldman Sachs, Andrea Raphael, said, adding that the firm has contacted Yahoo and asked that it remove the offensive comments from the boards.

The Anti-Defamation League is also jumping into the fray, and has contacted Yahoo to look into the matter. "We are hopeful that when we get in touch with them, they will address the problem," the associate director of civil rights, Steven Freeman, said.

On the site, banks that are attacked also include Washington Mutual, with comments like, "No wonder the Germans hate Jews so much. Just for making a dime, they are willing to destroy and ruin the country which gives them shelter," according to someone called sunfy8.

A commenter calling himself hochithul said on a site for Goldman Sachs, "Jew banks will get destroyed by shorts," referring to short sellers. "Jews stick together like mud and love to pat themselves on the back," prudentman007 wrote on the same site. Lehman Brothers is also under attack, with someone named dontputsaltonmypepper noting, "Them Jews are sneaky bastards."

Yahoo "takes abusive language on its message boards very seriously," the company said in a statement. The terms of service for using its message board disallows any comments that are "defamatory, vulgar, obscene" or "hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable," but it also has a liability clause that releases Yahoo from any responsibility for these third-party comments.

The vitriolic comments were first unearthed by the Web log Self-Evident after searching for terms "Jew" or "Jews" on message boards for financial companies.

The commentators don't limit their comments to the defamation of Jews, also employing epithets for homosexuals and African Americans, although less frequently....

 

[nomdeplume]

I dunno:

I do.

Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely
Arthur James Balfour

 

[Swamp Fox]

Do you know how many people stalin and his comisars genocidally cleansed from Russia? Many, many times more than the nazis did. Do you know what we could have done scientifically with the massive amounts of money and resources both the USSR and the USA wasted in the cold war?

Most scientific and medical achievements come from war, witness the new bandages and stuff developed during the Iraqi war used to prevent battlefield infections.

It was the single greatest, most stupid choice ever. We should have let the Germans destroy the soviets infrastructure entirely. By that time, their resources would have been so taxed, soldiers so low in morale from constant war, and most troops so far removed from Germany, we could have swept in and taken Germany nearly bloodlessly. Then the troops would give up. Even though it was surrender, they would have destroyed the greatest threat the earth has evver seen.

Maybe, maybe not. No way to know for sure. And hindsights alway 20/20. It's easy to sit back here years after the fact and criticize people for the decisions they made based on what they knew at the time.

Hitler let all the allies live and escape at Dunkirk because he thought that they would realize that the real threat to the world was the USSR and actually fight against them at some point. He underestimated the bigotries of the British however, and the control Jews exerted on american media and political life.

What's that line you used? "Source or its bullshit!"

Remember that both Germany and the USSR invaded Poland at the exact same time, yet war was only declared against the Germans. These are old bigotries and jingoisms that go back to world war 1 where the "allies" were humilated and nominally defeated by the much smaller in number yet much better and more effecient Germans.

And what's the source for this dramatic yet erroneous statement.

Now a better question, why the fuck did we get into WW1 that actually lead to WW2? Our wonderful Jew friends. Initially the Jew media was propagandizing the war FOR the Germans. Why? Because they hated imperial Russia. Then the British offered Israel for the Jews, in subtle terms, and then it was jusyt like a switch that went on, then the noble Germans suddenly morphed into muderous Belgium baby eating monsters.

Wow. Just for future reference, A History of the Jewish People by David Dukes isn't considered a reliable source. Thanks for playing.

 

[Gunny]

Source or its bullshit.

Oh? I believe YOU made the first claim, slick. Your source that they didn't know? Guess you already know what it is if you can't provide one.

Shall I set my tv on the history channel and ship it to you, or would prefer I fax you a couple of books?

News from the Washington File

Green Left - The Allies' role in the Holocaust

Let me know if you need some more.

Do you know how many people stalin and his comisars genocidally cleansed from Russia? Many, many times more than the nazis did. Do you know what we could have done scientifically with the massive amounts of money and resources both the USSR and the USA wasted in the cold war?

It was the single greatest, most stupid choice ever. We should have let the Germans destroy the soviets infrastructure entirely. By that time, their resources would have been so taxed, soldiers so low in morale from constant war, and most troops so far removed from Germany, we could have swept in and taken Germany nearly bloodlessly. Then the troops would give up. Even though it was surrender, they would have destroyed the greatest threat the earth has evver seen.

Hitler let all the allies live and escape at Dunkirk because he thought that they would realize that the real threat to the world was the USSR and actually fight against them at some point. He underestimated the bigotries of the British however, and the control Jews exerted on american media and political life.

Remember that both Germany and the USSR invaded Poland at the exact same time, yet war was only declared against the Germans. These are old bigotries and jingoisms that go back to world war 1 where the "allies" were humilated and nominally defeated by the much smaller in number yet much better and more effecient Germans.

Now a better question, why the fuck did we get into WW1 that actually lead to WW2? Our wonderful Jew friends. Initially the Jew media was propagandizing the war FOR the Germans. Why? Because they hated imperial Russia. Then the British offered Israel for the Jews, in subtle terms, and then it was jusyt like a switch that went on, then the noble Germans suddenly morphed into muderous Belgium baby eating monsters.

So your REAL problem here is that Nazis were stopped from exterminating Jews and you are attempting to use the Cold War as smoke screen?

Dude, Nazi Germany was a problem. Russia was a problem LATER. Your argument defies history, logic and shows only that you have some major issues with Jews.

 

[Gunny]

I do.

Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely
Arthur James Balfour

So what's your problem? Israel was established so the Allied powers that were could wash their hands of the Jews and move them far, far away. That seems to suit your sensibilities just fine. Had they carried it out in 1924, the Holocaust would never have happened.

So what you're really trying to say is there is no place for Jews in the world, right? Or do you have some specific place in mind you would like to round them all up and keep them?