RIP George Foreman


passed away at 76.
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Yes, just heard the sad news on the 11 O'Clock news.
Great Guy, Great Boxer, Great Family man, great Dad and from what I heard a Great Preacher.
My condolences to the family
 
Interesting. He recanted that statement for what reason though? I generally trust the initial impulse from a fighter, especially those at this level where they know their bodies very well. Ali along with Tyson had some fights rigged, Tyson has let his suspicions slip in the last few years in interviews, none worse than Ali. Where there is big money to be made there is cheating.

The greatest heavyweight fight in history in my humble opinion was the Thrilla in Manila and Fraziers corner threw the towel in seconds before Alis team did at his extreme resistance and disapproval, this was covered in a great documentary. Frazier would have been willing to die that night he was so enraged after Ali mocked him. I believe it, he had the heart of a lion.

If you are a behaviour watcher, observe how relieved Ali was when the towel was thrown, he probably suspected something was up as there is ample evidence that Ali either told them he couldn't go, or someone in corner determined this. Both fighters were near death and miraculously just as Ali is going throw in the towel, to Fraziers anger his team threw it in first.

It is far easier for the crooks and organized criminals to operate in places like Zaire, Philippines, even Japan. Remember Tyson massive upset loss? 40-1 or something like that where only a couple of big bookies even took action? He swore he was partying with hookers the night before and went into the ring in a groggy manner that wasn't related to a hangover and his immediate response after the fight was that something was up.

Yes, he didnt train well for the fight and Douglas was extremely motivated after having just lost his mom, there is the long count too if you watch that fight when Tyson somehow knocked Douglas down with a surprise punch (illustrating just how lethal Tyson was with the unexpected power). Again, a major upset outside of the confines of U.S boxing jurisdiction.

From the time I was in grade 11 until really a few years after university I literally hit the gym at least 3 days a week for that decade or so, some times 7 days a week if I was squeezing in cardio only. From any minor injuries and tweaks I suffered from (and there were many) I knew when something was amiss, without question, I knew. It's why I avoided the doctor for 20 years or so, my body was my temple and I was so connected with it.

As an example. once I took a melatonin pill by accident instead of a vitamin pill and 5 minutes into my workout I knew that I was groggy and not optimum. It wasn't much at first being the afternoon, plenty of serotonin in my system but there was no doubt I was not optimum. I wasnt even concerned because logic took hold. I completed a quick 30 minute work out and was gone suspecting what I did and when I went home I saw the melatonin on my desk when I last took my pill and the vitamin pill bottle behind it.

My assertion for this long story is that George wouldn't want any heat after the fact. His advisers would have said, "hey let it go George, you just took a bad to a great fighter it happens, your team wouldn't do that to you".

There were numerous fighters who have been leaned on by organized crime. Some even took dives to pay back loans etc. Boxing was as corrupt as the sky is blue, consider the time frame.

Regardless, I never thought Foreman was ever in on the cheating, few boxers ever knew what shady activities went on (though some did know of course as they took dives).

So, RIP champ (my intention wasn't to hijack the thread).

Interesting. He recanted that statement for what reason though? I generally trust the initial impulse from a fighter, especially those at this level where they know their bodies very well. Ali along with Tyson had some fights rigged, Tyson has let his suspicions slip in the last few years in interviews, none worse than Ali. Where there is big money to be made there is cheating.

The greatest heavyweight fight in history in my humble opinion was the Thrilla in Manila and Fraziers corner threw the towel in seconds before Alis team did at his extreme resistance and disapproval, this was covered in a great documentary. Frazier would have been willing to die that night he was so enraged after Ali mocked him. I believe it, he had the heart of a lion.

If you are a behaviour watcher, observe how relieved Ali was when the towel was thrown, he probably suspected something was up as there is ample evidence that Ali either told them he couldn't go, or someone in corner determined this. Both fighters were near death and miraculously just as Ali is going throw in the towel, to Fraziers anger his team threw it in first.

It is far easier for the crooks and organized criminals to operate in places like Zaire, Philippines, even Japan. Remember Tyson massive upset loss? 40-1 or something like that where only a couple of big bookies even took action? He swore he was partying with hookers the night before and went into the ring in a groggy manner that wasn't related to a hangover and his immediate response after the fight was that something was up.

Yes, he didnt train well for the fight and Douglas was extremely motivated after having just lost his mom, there is the long count too if you watch that fight when Tyson somehow knocked Douglas down with a surprise punch (illustrating just how lethal Tyson was with the unexpected power). Again, a major upset outside of the confines of U.S boxing jurisdiction.

From the time I was in grade 11 until really a few years after university I literally hit the gym at least 3 days a week for that decade or so, some times 7 days a week if I was squeezing in cardio only. From any minor injuries and tweaks I suffered from (and there were many) I knew when something was amiss, without question, I knew. It's why I avoided the doctor for 20 years or so, my body was my temple and I was so connected with it.

As an example. once I took a melatonin pill by accident instead of a vitamin pill and 5 minutes into my workout I knew that I was groggy and not optimum. It wasn't much at first being the afternoon, plenty of serotonin in my system but there was no doubt I was not optimum. I wasnt even concerned because logic took hold. I completed a quick 30 minute work out and was gone suspecting what I did and when I went home I saw the melatonin on my desk when I last took my pill and the vitamin pill bottle behind it.

My assertion for this long story is that George wouldn't want any heat after the fact. His advisers would have said, "hey let it go George, you just took a bad to a great fighter it happens, your team wouldn't do that to you".

There were numerous fighters who have been leaned on by organized crime. Some even took dives to pay back loans etc. Boxing was as corrupt as the sky is blue, consider the time frame.

Regardless, I never thought Foreman was ever in on the cheating, few boxers ever knew what shady activities went on (though some did know of course as they took dives).

So, RIP champ (my intention wasn't to hijack the thread).
As with any big fight, there will always be speculation after the outcome, especially if an upset occurs. According to Archie Moore, George was not equipped mentally to handle that loss.

At the time he was only 24 years old, undefeated, and had absolutely annihilated nearly all of his previous competition within the early rounds.

My guess is that he likely went back and watched film of the match and then realized his strategy was at fault, more than his water.

As far as the best heavyweight fights, there is no doubt that Ali and Joe Frazier had two different styles that made for some great fights.

Their era was definitely the best in history in terms of the quality of fighters, IMO.
 
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A truely great American.

Why ?
Even he admitted that he was a violent bully , thief and hoodlum and only became famous bcause he could flatten anybody.

Took him five years before he could come to terms with Ali having beaten him.

He got $5 million basic for that loss to add to existing wealth .

Remind us what sort of saint he was after the Rumble .
 
His fight against the young German Axle Schultz ( at 48 Years old ) was the Greatest heavyweight Fight I ever sat through in its entirety . He was a TITAN ! RIP
 
Sad to hear

George was a great fighter who lost everything when he lost to Ali

When he made a comeback, everyone laughed at fat George thinking he could still fight……Until he won the Heavyweight Championship
 

passed away at 76.
The heaviest puncher ever to step in the ring.
Ernie shavers had more knockouts... But George Foreman's knockouts were some of the most spectacular moments in pugilistic history.
That man had sledgehammers instead of fists.
 
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The heaviest puncher ever to step in the ring.
Ernie shavers had more knockouts... But George Foreman's knockouts were some of the most spectacular moments and pugilistic history.
That man had sledgehammers instead of fists.
Down goes Frazier!

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All around great , Best thoughts and prayer for peace and understanding to his family and friends.


 
Why ?
Even he admitted that he was a violent bully , thief and hoodlum and only became famous bcause he could flatten anybody.

Took him five years before he could come to terms with Ali having beaten him.

He got $5 million basic for that loss to add to existing wealth .

Remind us what sort of saint he was after the Rumble .
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The heaviest puncher ever to step in the ring.
Ernie shavers had more knockouts... But George Foreman's knockouts were some of the most spectacular moments in pugilistic history.
That man had sledgehammers instead of fists.
No doubt about that. I remember seeing a photo that was taken of Joe Frazier getting hit with one of Foremans uppercuts, and it lifted him vertically about 6 inches off the canvas before he went down. Frazier once said, "George had fists like wrecking balls."'

Shavers did have s higher K.O. percentage at 91% versus 89% for Foreman, but what really set George apart as a puncher was that he could also take a good punch, and in 81 pro fights, he never failed to go the distance, except for being stopped once by Ali.
 
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I remember George Foreman fighting Ali during my first year in Football. I speculated about the motivations of Ali.

Decades later, I mentioned George Foreman to my oldest son, giving an example of a man who did not pigeonhole himself and was highly successful. My son said "Ugh! I hate George Foreman."
"Why do you hate George Foreman?" I asked.
"He kissed my ear and left a lot of spit on it!"
WTF was George Foreman doing at my kids' school, kissing ears?
Turned out that the Foreman family had built a large house in the small town outside Houston that we live in. He named all his sons George and one of them gave a "wet Willy" to my oldest while making a kissing sound.

I never saw the man around town, but my wife saw him once. She had one of his grills and asked him, "were you famous for basketball or football?" Of course, he answered "both."

When I was talking about him as a young teenager, I would not have predicted that that would happen in a million guesses.
 
Wow, that's really sad to hear. The guy always had a very positive attitude, and he instantly lit up a room. RIP
 
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