Rights In The US

[Independent thinker]

Democrats often claim that people have the right to healthcare and other things, even though those particular rights aren't actually specifically addressed anywhere. We have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Anyway, I was just wondering, do people in the US have the right to not be victimized by criminals? In other words, do citizens have the right to expect that our law enforcement agencies, prosecutors, courts, judges, etc. or the federal government stop us from being victims of crime?

We have the right to life, which can easily be argued that we have the right to not be murdered. And, we also have the right to our pursuit of happiness but how can we be happy when we are the victims of all kinds of crime and our law enforcement or governments fail to protect us?

Democrats claim that violent crime is down but they not only fudge those numbers but they are only talking about violent crime. Even if violent crime is down from what it had been, don't we have the right to not have high violent crime, even it is declared "down"? And what about crimes in general? Is it acceptable to have high regular crime, even if violent crime is down? Don't we have the right to not be victims of ALL crime in general?

 

[Chuz Life]

Democrats often claim that people have the right to healthcare and other things, even though those particular rights aren't actually specifically addressed anywhere. We have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Anyway, I was just wondering, do people in the US have the right to not be victimized by criminals? In other words, do citizens have the right to expect that our law enforcement agencies, prosecutors, courts, judges, etc. or the federal government stop us from being victims of crime?

We have the right to life, which can easily be argued that we have the right to not be murdered. And, we also have the right to our pursuit of happiness but how can we be happy when we are the victims of all kinds of crime and our law enforcement or governments fail to protect us?

Democrats claim that violent crime is down but they not only fudge those numbers but they are only talking about violent crime. Even if violent crime is down from what it had been, don't we have the right to not have high violent crime, even it is declared "down"? And what about crimes in general? Is it acceptable to have high regular crime, even if violent crime is down? Don't we have the right to not be victims of ALL crime in general?

I have a question for you and those interested in your OP.

"Where do your rights come from?"

Specifically, I'm asking about our basic human rights. Like those you listed.

Maybe, I'll start a new thread on it, because I'd like to poll the question, too.

"Where do our basic human rights come from?"

 

[Billiejeens]

I have a question for you and those interested in your OP.

"Where do your rights come from?"

Specifically, I'm asking about our basic human rights. Like those you listed.

Maybe, I'll start a new thread on it, because I'd like to poll the question, too.

"Where do our basic human rights come from?"

The creator

 

[Billiejeens]

Democrats often claim that people have the right to healthcare and other things, even though those particular rights aren't actually specifically addressed anywhere. We have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Anyway, I was just wondering, do people in the US have the right to not be victimized by criminals? In other words, do citizens have the right to expect that our law enforcement agencies, prosecutors, courts, judges, etc. or the federal government stop us from being victims of crime?

We have the right to life, which can easily be argued that we have the right to not be murdered. And, we also have the right to our pursuit of happiness but how can we be happy when we are the victims of all kinds of crime and our law enforcement or governments fail to protect us?

Democrats claim that violent crime is down but they not only fudge those numbers but they are only talking about violent crime. Even if violent crime is down from what it had been, don't we have the right to not have high violent crime, even it is declared "down"? And what about crimes in general? Is it acceptable to have high regular crime, even if violent crime is down? Don't we have the right to not be victims of ALL crime in general?

Not while President Trump is in office.

 

[Chuz Life]

The creator

That's what the founding fathers and the writers of the Declaration of Independence said to.

If I may follow up, attributing the creation of our human rights to a "creator," is that just a way of saying that certain human rights are just an inherent/ intrinsic (inalienable) part of any human being's existence? (which is my view personally)

Or is it more of a Deity thing?

 

[Votto]

I can never get this clip out of my mind



The Left mocks the right for thinking that our rights come from God, not knowing or not giving a damn, that this is what the Founding Fathers said.

Therefore, to hell with the 9 black robes that my try to deny us our natural rights because they are not the ones who gave us those rights.

 

[Billiejeens]

That's what the founding fathers and the writers of the Declaration of Independence said to.

If I may follow up, attributing the creation of our human rights to a "creator," is that just a way of saying that certain human rights are just an inherent/ intrinsic (inalienable) part of any human being's existence? (which is my view personally)

Or is it more of a Deity thing?

Unknown ( to me )

 

[Zincwarrior]

Anyway, I was just wondering, do people in the US have the right to not be victimized by criminals?

No. Case law has always held the Crown (now the state) has no duty to individual citizens.

 

[Donald H]

Democrats often claim that people have the right to healthcare and other things, even though those particular rights aren't actually specifically addressed anywhere. We have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Anyway, I was just wondering, do people in the US have the right to not be victimized by criminals? In other words, do citizens have the right to expect that our law enforcement agencies, prosecutors, courts, judges, etc. or the federal government stop us from being victims of crime?

We have the right to life, which can easily be argued that we have the right to not be murdered. And, we also have the right to our pursuit of happiness but how can we be happy when we are the victims of all kinds of crime and our law enforcement or governments fail to protect us?

Democrats claim that violent crime is down but they not only fudge those numbers but they are only talking about violent crime. Even if violent crime is down from what it had been, don't we have the right to not have high violent crime, even it is declared "down"? And what about crimes in general? Is it acceptable to have high regular crime, even if violent crime is down? Don't we have the right to not be victims of ALL crime in general?

Another expected response to the reality of the situation in America.

The regime's supporters are beginning to doubt the legitimacy of what they've helped to create.

 

[Zincwarrior]

"Where do your rights come from?"

 

[Chuz Life]

Unknown ( to me )

Fair enough, where the beginning of our basic human rights is concerned, it really doesn't matter what is meant by our "creator" in any literal sense. Our basic human rights (life, liberty, etc.) are inherent/ intrinsic/ inalienable, regardless.

Agree?

 

[Independent thinker]

I have a question for you and those interested in your OP.

"Where do your rights come from?"

Specifically, I'm asking about our basic human rights. Like those you listed.

Maybe, I'll start a new thread on it, because I'd like to poll the question, too.

"Where do our basic human rights come from?"

Good question or questions. I welcome another thread with a poll. Here in the United States, our rights are written down in the Bill of Rights. Other than those in the actual Bill of Rights, we don't really have any. I'm not going to go through them.

Moral rights aren't really guaranteed to us in any way by any governing authority. Those moral rights espoused by religions are just religious in nature, with different religions having different "rights". Even the Ten Commandments don't really give us any moral rights, they just tell us what we can't do and not what our moral rights actually are.

Then we have the Declaration of Independence, which tells us that we have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which is nothing really but a bunch of gobbledygook. What the hell do those actually mean?

Life - Well, if we're here then we're already alive but at some point we die. Apparently we aren't given the right to be immortal. One could argue that the right to life means you can't be aborted but, of course, that can be disputed. It could also mean we have the right to not be murdered, which seems to be violated on a regular basis. It could also mean we have the right not to die in accidents or disasters. It could also mean that the government can't execute us. Alas, I degress.

Liberty - gives us the right to be free but that can come with a bunch of caveats.

Happiness? There are a whole bunch of us which aren't happy. Many suffer from depression. No one is happy all the time. Some might get happiness from making others miserable. Do they have that right? Alas, I degress yet again.

In any event, this particular thread is aimed at democrats, basically asking them if they think we have the right to healthcare, don't we also have the right to not be victimized by criminals? If the government is responsible for giving us healthcare, are they not also responsible for keeping us safe from all kinds of crime, both violent crime and all other crime?

 

[Chuz Life]

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Please elaborate on that. You aren't saying that "might makes right," are you?

 

[Independent thinker]

That's what the founding fathers and the writers of the Declaration of Independence said to.

If I may follow up, attributing the creation of our human rights to a "creator," is that just a way of saying that certain human rights are just an inherent/ intrinsic (inalienable) part of any human being's existence? (which is my view personally)

Or is it more of a Deity thing?

It's a deity thing. If we have all of those "human rights" then the big guy (no, not Joe Biden) hasn't done a very good job of making sure we have all of those moral rights.

 

[Billiejeens]

Fair enough, where the beginning of our basic human rights is concerned, it really doesn't matter what is meant by our "creator" in any literal sense. Our basic human rights (life, liberty, etc.) are inherent/ intrinsic/ inalienable, regardless.

Agree?

Si'

 

[Chuz Life]

Good question or questions. I welcome another thread with a poll. Here in the United States, our rights are written down in the Bill of Rights. Other than those in the actual Bill of Rights, we don't really have any. I'm not going to go through them.

Moral rights aren't really guaranteed to us in any way by any governing authority. Those moral rights espoused by religions are just religious in nature, with different religions having different "rights". Even the Ten Commandments don't really give us any moral rights, they just tell us what we can't do and not what our moral rights actually are.

Then we have the Declaration of Independence, which tells us that we have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which is nothing really but a bunch of gobbledygook. What the hell do those actually mean.

Life - Well, if we're here then we're already alive but at some point we die. Apparently we aren't given the right to be immortal. One could argue that the right to life means you can't be aborted but, of course, that can be disputed. It could also mean we have the right to not be murdered, which seems to be violated on a regular basis. It could also mean we have the right not to die in accidents or disasters. It could also mean that the government can't execute us. Alas, I degress.

Liberty - gives us the right to be free but that can come with a bunch of caveats.

Happiness? There are a whole bunch of us which aren't happy. Many suffer from depression. No one is happy all the time. Some might get happiness from making others miserable. Do they have that right? Alas, I degress yet again.

In any event, this particular thread is aimed at democrats, basically asking them if they they we have the right to healthcare, don't we also have the right to not be victimized by criminals? If the government is responsible for giving us healthcare, are they not also responsible for keeping us safe from all kinds of crime, both violent crime and all other crime?

So many points to address in that. I think I will start a thread on it soon. As this thread is not really about where rights come from. You seem to be looking for something other than that.

As you indicated in your last paragraph.

 

[Independent thinker]

Another expected response to the reality of the situation in America.

The regime's supporters are beginning to doubt the legitimacy of what they've helped to create.

The regime was voted out of office last November.

 

[Votto]

So many points to address in that. I think I will start a thread on it soon. As this thread is not really about where rights come from. You seem to be looking for something other than that.

As you indicated in your last paragraph.

The Left must either ignore it or say that rights come from government, because that is what they beleive

And when they say rights come from government, they only mean a government they approve of.

In other words, the Left are a bunch of fascists who view themselves as the ultimate authority on pretty much everything, and to hell with you if you disagree.

 

[Chuz Life]

In other words, the Left are a bunch of fascists who view themselves as the ultimate authority on pretty much everything, and to hell with you if you disagree.

You know where it is that my own insanity shows the most?

It's when I try to use logic and reason to bring them to any other way of thinking.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Please elaborate on that. You aren't saying that "might makes right," are you?

I was responding to the posted question of "where do rights come from?"
Starting with the development of the Magna Carta, rights came from people applying violence to the Crown to secure those rights.