Right Wing Warning???

[PubliusInfinitum]

How many times are you going to post this before one of you nuts admits that the same type of warnings were issued about left wing groups in January?

Oh, right...NEVER.

Really? So there were reports about LEFT-wing Veterens and anti-government "LEFTWINGERS"?

ROFL... Get serious...

 

[tigerbob]

At a guess Jeremy Bentham is a leftist idiot who mouths innocuous poorly conceived platitudes that could be taken in so many different ways that it boggles the mind.

He called human rights "nonsense on stilts." Seems the equivalent of modern rightist condemnations of the UN, to be honest.

Technically no, but isn't it a bit of a pedantic point? I don't draw a huge line between a murder and an attempted murder.

So he admitted that the bombings were primarily intended to kill people rather than damage property? That seemed to obviously not be the case in the destruction of the Haymarket memorial statue, for instance.

I don't care what he did or didn't admit, or whether it was or wasn't a technicality, or whether he was trying to blow up a person, a statue or a barrel of monkeys. If you deliberately cause an explosion in a public place without any legal reason for doing so, you are a scumbag and you should go straight to fucking jail for many, many years. End of story.

 

[Indiana Oracle]

On Ayers killing people. I don't know whether he personally did that. Looking at his picturres and having seen him speak, I doubt it.

But as a former intelligence officer, I assure you that the leader is ultimately responsible for any killing that occurs. He sets the tone and the strategy, and looks for people willing to take extreme steps as called for. That is how I see Ayers and on that basis see him as a murderer. And please spare me the "righteous war on the man" nonsense.

 

[Just A Man]

It's hard for Sgt. Brian V. McDonnell of the San Francisco Police Department to collect his pension because he was killed by the bomb built and planted by leftist Bernadine Dorn (wife of leftist Bill Ayers and friend of leftist Obama). Leftist Ayers never killed anyone but it wasn't because he didn't try.

And yet, Dohrn was similarly not convicted of bombing McDonnell. Does anyone here have anything a bit more substantive? I'm off to watch the McLaughlin Group; I'm bored enough already.

And OJ was not convicted of killing anyone.

Never let anyone think for you.

 

[DiveCon]

On Ayers killing people. I don't know whether he personally did that. Looking at his picturres and having seen him speak, I doubt it.

But as a former intelligence officer, I assure you that the leader is ultimately responsible for any killing that occurs. He sets the tone and the strategy, and looks for people willing to take extreme steps as called for. That is how I see Ayers and on that basis see him as a murderer. And please spare me the "righteous war on the man" nonsense.

he directed people to bomb places, and in that process people DIED
HE, WIlliam Ayers, is responsible for those peoples deaths

 

[elvis]

so did ayers

Really? I wasn't aware that he was convicted of any killings.

I guess that means OJ was criminally innocent too.

 

[Bfgrn]

All you "conservatives" just keep adding verification to:

Conservatives
"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats," quipped Groucho Marx, and in fact it turns out that personality differences between liberals and conservatives are evident in early childhood. In 1969, Berkeley professors Jack and Jeanne Block embarked on a study of childhood personality, asking nursery school teachers to rate children's temperaments. They weren't even thinking about political orientation.

Twenty years later, they decided to compare the subjects' childhood personalities with their political preferences as adults. They found arresting patterns. As kids, liberals had developed close relationships with peers and were rated by their teachers as self-reliant, energetic, impulsive, and resilient. People who were conservative at age 23 had been described by their teachers as easily victimized, easily offended, indecisive, fearful, rigid, inhibited, and vulnerable at age 3. The reason for the difference, the Blocks hypothesized, was that insecure kids most needed the reassurance of tradition and authority, and they found it in conservative politics.

Psychology Today Magazine, Jan/Feb 2007

 

[Harry Dresden]

he admitted his guilt

He admitted his guilt in participating in bombings. Did he admit his guilt in personally killing anybody?

if he participated in the bombings....he was part of any deaths caused by the bombings.....another Bobo....

 

[DiveCon]

he admitted his guilt

He admitted his guilt in participating in bombings. Did he admit his guilt in personally killing anybody?

if he participated in the bombings....he was part of any deaths caused by the bombings.....another Bobo....

yup

 

[Agnapostate]

nice how this moron can excuse him for paticipating in the bombings, but cant draw the lines to the FACT that if you admit guilt in the bombings, you also admit guilt in anyone dieing in those bombings

Very nice, slappy! Now how bout' detailing the names of the people who died in the bombings that he admitted participating in?

I don't care what he did or didn't admit, or whether it was or wasn't a technicality, or whether he was trying to blow up a person, a statue or a barrel of monkeys. If you deliberately cause an explosion in a public place without any legal reason for doing so, you are a scumbag and you should go straight to fucking jail for many, many years. End of story.

That seems a rather absurd stance to take. You really see no moral difference between blowing up a statue and blowing up a large crowd? I'll give you a hint. The latter can suffer from their violent destruction.

And OJ was not convicted of killing anyone.

Never let anyone think for you.

A pity you don't follow your own advice. But you seem quick to condemn without evidence, so it's understandable that you'd spew such accusations.

he directed people to bomb places, and in that process people DIED
HE, WIlliam Ayers, is responsible for those peoples deaths

You see? This isn't difficult! Which people died in the bombings that Ayers is known to have directed?

 

[DiveCon]

nice how this moron can excuse him for paticipating in the bombings, but cant draw the lines to the FACT that if you admit guilt in the bombings, you also admit guilt in anyone dieing in those bombings

Very nice, slappy! Now how bout' detailing the names of the people who died in the bombings that he admitted participating in?

I don't care what he did or didn't admit, or whether it was or wasn't a technicality, or whether he was trying to blow up a person, a statue or a barrel of monkeys. If you deliberately cause an explosion in a public place without any legal reason for doing so, you are a scumbag and you should go straight to fucking jail for many, many years. End of story.

That seems a rather absurd stance to take. You really see no moral difference between blowing up a statue and blowing up a large crowd? I'll give you a hint. The latter can suffer from their violent destruction.

And OJ was not convicted of killing anyone.

Never let anyone think for you.

A pity you don't follow your own advice. But you seem quick to condemn without evidence, so it's understandable that you'd spew such accusations.

he directed people to bomb places, and in that process people DIED
HE, WIlliam Ayers, is responsible for those peoples deaths

You see? This isn't difficult! Which people died in the bombings that Ayers is known to have directed?

i dont know their names, and thats not important, so i wont bother to waste my time looking them up for you
i already know you will deflect or ignore it anyway
i already have you figured out

 

[Smartt33]

Ravi: Thanks.

I wonder why our conservative friends don't know about this?

Or maybe it doesn't suit their paranoia agenda to portray the govt as doing anything but targeting them.

Smartt: If I read it correctly, the information targeted leftists groups who have already made threats of terrorism (though non-violent in the physical sense). Unlike the coments about the anti-abortion or even "war vets" groups, who have not made any threats of terrorism. Sure, there have been some indivituals who have bombed an abortion clinic, but that is individual idiots, like the guy who did that, and the one who killed an abortion Dr, McVeigh who was a war vet, but a very anti-American idiot as well. This naming of the leftists list are already a threat, and should be on the list. Anti-abortionists, and war vets are not a threat at all. Pf course, next will be the anti-gay groups. Here again, individual idiots have killed gays or protested at funerals. These are easy to locate and identify, just identify them and put them on the list. Add to it the leftists pro-gay groups who have all but promised to win our kids to same ses lifestyles. LAMBDA (or whatever it is called)

 

[Agnapostate]

i dont know their names, and thats not important, so i wont bother to waste my time looking them up for you
i already know you will deflect or ignore it anyway
i already have you figured out

Hmmm...you don't know their names, it's "not important," and you won't bother looking them up?

But I'm "deflecting" and "ignoring"? Makes sense!

 

[Just A Man]

A pity you don't follow your own advice. But you seem quick to condemn without evidence, so it's understandable that you'd spew such accusations. -- Nemesis

Let me make it simple for you -- because I think for myself I form my own opinions. Sometimes my opinion is based on evidence and sometimes it's based on common sense. At least I have an opinion and if you check my history on the USMB you will see I also put forth in lucid detail how I reached my opinions.

Sure I can make a mistake and be wrong. I never met a man who didn't make mistakes.

 

[DiveCon]

i dont know their names, and thats not important, so i wont bother to waste my time looking them up for you
i already know you will deflect or ignore it anyway
i already have you figured out

Hmmm...you don't know their names, it's "not important," and you won't bother looking them up?

But I'm "deflecting" and "ignoring"? Makes sense!

see, you prove me correct
because i dont know their names, you dont give a fuck

 

[Annie]

Ayers was not innocent, as his own story makes clear:

No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen - The New York Times

September 11, 2001
No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen

By DINITIA SMITH
''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

Now he has written a book, ''Fugitive Days'' (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction. He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

''Is this, then, the truth?,'' he writes. ''Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me.''

But why would someone want to read a memoir parts of which are admittedly not true? Mr. Ayers was asked.

''Obviously, the point is it's a reflection on memory,'' he answered. ''It's true as I remember it.''

Mr. Ayers is probably safe from prosecution anyway. A spokeswoman for the Justice Department said there was a five-year statute of limitations on Federal crimes except in cases of murder or when a person has been indicted.

Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,'' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but ''it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,'' he said. ''It was a joke about the distribution of wealth.''...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

i dont know their names, and thats not important, so i wont bother to waste my time looking them up for you
i already know you will deflect or ignore it anyway
i already have you figured out

Hmmm...you don't know their names, it's "not important," and you won't bother looking them up?

But I'm "deflecting" and "ignoring"? Makes sense!

Dive is simply saying that it is a demonstrable fact that the good friend and vehement political supporter of The Lord of the Idiots; King Hussein of the US; Bill Ayers is a Mass murdering, anti-American TERRORISTS... but that you're argument does not rise to the level which makes demonstrating that fact necessary.

I suspect that if you were to post for the record that YOU know for a fact that Ayers is NOT a mass murdering, anti-American... that you're placing YOUR reputation on the line against such a demonstration, that Dive or someone, would shove that demonstration RIGHT up your rhetorical ass in fairly short order.

So while ya SEEM fairly sure of yourself... ya haven't laid it on the line and you've not demonstrated anything of sufficient worthiness to make the effort worthwhile.

At least that's what I'm getting out of it...

 

[Agnapostate]

see, you prove me correct
because i dont know their names, you dont give a fuck

Here, I'll help you: Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, Terry Robbins.

The three deaths conclusively linked to the Weather Underground, inasmuch as they were the three casualties in the Greenwich Village explosion.

Here's another hint: They were all members themselves. You'll need something a bit more substantive.

 

[Agnapostate]

Dive is simply saying that is a demonstrable fact that Ayers is a Mass murdering, anti-American TERRORISTS... but that you're argument does not rise to the level which makes demonstrating that fact necessary.

I suspect that if you were to post for the record that YOU know for a fact that Ayers is NOT a mass murdering, anti-American... that you're placing YOUR reputation on the line against such a demonstration, that Dive or someone, would shove that demonstration RIGHT up your rhetorical ass in fairly short order.

So while ya SEEM fairly sure of yourself... ya haven't laid it on the line and you've not demonstrated anything of sufficient worthiness to make the effort worthwhile.

At least that's what I'm getting out of it...

I understand that you have a rather cavalier record with the factual record, but do you really have to reveal it so blatantly?

You'll just end up crawling away again, after all, just as you did when I tore apart your asinine comparison of fascism and socialism.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Dive is simply saying that is a demonstrable fact that Ayers is a Mass murdering, anti-American TERRORISTS... but that you're argument does not rise to the level which makes demonstrating that fact necessary.

I suspect that if you were to post for the record that YOU know for a fact that Ayers is NOT a mass murdering, anti-American... that you're placing YOUR reputation on the line against such a demonstration, that Dive or someone, would shove that demonstration RIGHT up your rhetorical ass in fairly short order.

So while ya SEEM fairly sure of yourself... ya haven't laid it on the line and you've not demonstrated anything of sufficient worthiness to make the effort worthwhile.

At least that's what I'm getting out of it...

I understand that you have a rather cavalier record with the factual record, but do you really have to reveal it so blatantly?

You'll just end up crawling away again, after all, just as you did when I tore apart your asinine comparison of fascism and socialism.

So you're not prepared to declare that you know what you've implied that ya know...

Well that sounds about right; leftists prefer the vague to the specific... as it provides the intellectual wiggle room to avoid the reality that their most closely held feelings are ethereal nonsense; such as your conclusions regarding some argument you 'feel' that ya won...

Now if I felt that I had won such a debate and that such was necessary to buttress a point, I would have linked to that debate, where anyone interested could readily read the record; thus demonstrating the point... where YOU on the other hand chose to merely allude to the notion; this a function of buttressing your fantasy.

Which of course is washed in high irony...

Here you are lamenting that DC will not name the victims of the Weatherman bombings... as if knowing those names is the basis on which the reality of those deaths rests, while you make reference to victory in argument which you've chosen NOT TO SOURCE.

ROFL... Oh GOD... that's precious...

Ya just can't make this crap up kids... Now if I advanced an argument wherein I asserted that this fool was prone to unsubstantiated supposition... she'd DEMAND that I provide "PROOF."

So towards that end, I submit PROOF that this idiot is prone to advance unsubstantiated supposition as FACT:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/74088-right-wing-warning-8.html#post1167328