Results from a National Survey of Black Adults

[carloz]

AP fact check: Obama didn’t have a family separation policy​

President Donald Trump is falsely asserting that the federal policy that split migrant families at the border was practiced by his predecessor, Barack Obama, as well.

The Obama and Trump administrations operated under the same immigration laws but the “zero tolerance” policy that drove children from their parents was Trump’s.

Obama did not have a separation policy. The Trump administration didn’t, explicitly, either, but that was the effect of zero tolerance, which meant that anyone caught crossing the border illegally was to be criminally prosecuted, even if they had few or no previous offenses.

The policy meant adults were taken to court for criminal proceedings and their children were separated. In most cases, if the charge took longer than 72 hours to process, which is the longest time that children can be held by Customs and Border Protection, children were sent into the care of the Health and Human Services Department. Zero tolerance remains in effect, but Trump signed an executive order June 20 that stopped separations.

AP fact check: Obama didn't have a family separation policy

President Donald Trump is falsely asserting that the federal policy that split migrant families at the border was practiced by his predecessor, Barack Obama, as well. Here's a look at Trump's claim.

www.pbs.org

Uh, I quoted from the National Immigration Law Center, not PBS.

 

[carloz]

Nice try.

You said it.

 

[carloz]

First, I'm black and would put "racial justice" at the bottom of my list.

Second, the poll was very biased. It was commissioned by the National Black Women’s Reproductive Justice Agenda. You can look it up, but the name itself screams far left. The poll was designed by an advocacy organization called Perry Undem. You can also look that up and see they advocate for things like "equity." That's not exactly impartial, and would reflect bias in the replies.

Third, the replies are indeed biased. The answers "cost of living," "crime," and "education," are relatively neutral, but the answer "racial justice" has extreme political bias.

Abortion "rights" is also extremely slanted to the left. The answer should just read "abortion." Same with LGBTQ "rights."

And sure, Gallup and Pew polls can be biased, but this "poll" by Perry Undem screams pure politics and agenda.

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[cnm]

“a lot of people out there … are too lazy to get up and get out there and get the ID they need.”

“Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes, as well.”

 

[carloz]

President Obama Ramps Up Family Separations​

President Obama Ramps Up Family Separations

www.nilc.org

In case some did not see it.

 

[IM2]

Uh, I quoted from the National Immigration Law Center, not PBS.

So how bout we look at OBAMAS actual plans

Three critical elements of the President's executive actions are:

• Cracking Down on Illegal Immigration at the Border: The President’s actions increase the chances that anyone attempting to cross the border illegally will be caught and sent back. Continuing the surge of resources that effectively reduced the number of unaccompanied children crossing the border illegally this summer, the President’s actions will also centralize border security command-and-control to continue to crack down on illegal immigration.
• Deporting Felons, Not Families: The President’s actions focus on the deportation of people who threaten national security and public safety. He has directed immigration enforcement to place anyone suspected of terrorism, violent criminals, gang members, and recent border crossers at the top of the deportation priority list.
• Accountability – Criminal Background Checks and Taxes: The President is also acting to hold accountable those undocumented immigrants who have lived in the U.S. for more than five years and are parents of U.S. citizens or Lawful Permanent Residents. By registering and passing criminal and national security background checks, millions of undocumented immigrants will start paying their fair share of taxes and temporarily stay in the U.S. without fear of deportation for three years at a time.

U.S. Immigration Reform at a Glance

Learn about President Obama's plan to create a fair immigration system for a strong American economy.

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov

 

[IM2]

You said it.

No I said that you are more of a conspiracy theorist than me. Therefore either you're saying YOU are a conspiracy theorist, or the fact that you infer that you are not means I am not one either.

 

[cnm]

In case some did not see it.

It doesn't say what the headline claims.

 

[carloz]

No I said that you are more of a conspiracy theorist than me. Therefore either you're saying YOU are a conspiracy theorist, or the fact that you infer that you are not means I am not one either.

You can't infer something by analyzing what you said.

 

[carloz]

..., or the fact that you infer that you are not means I am not one either.

Inferring is a interpretation, so it's not fact.

 

[carloz]

It doesn't say what the headline claims.

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It doesn't if you don't read it.

 

[cnm]

It doesn't if you don't read it.

Excerpt the bit from the article that says what the headline says or admit you voted for Trump.

 

[carloz]

So how bout we look at OBAMAS actual plans

Three critical elements of the President's executive actions are:

Uh, Obama is out of office.

 

[carloz]

Excerpt the bit from the article that says what the headline says or admit you voted for Trump.

Still didn't read it, eh. Shocked, I tell ya. shocked!

 

[cnm]

Still didn't read it, eh. Shocked, I tell ya. shocked!

No excerpt? Won't back up what you say? Fair enough, no loss to me.

 

[carloz]

No excerpt? Won't back up what you say? Fair enough, no loss to me.

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It's in the title.

And if you need more evidence:

"...but some may be surprised to learn that President Barack Obama also separated families at the Mexican border."

https://centerforpolicyresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/FLQv54n1-2-2020-F-reprint.pdf

 

[American Eagle]

It's in the title.

And if you need more evidence:

"...but some may be surprised to learn that President Barack Obama also separated families at the Mexican border."

https://centerforpolicyresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/FLQv54n1-2-2020-F-reprint.pdf

What is even more incredible is that Obama separated families under civil violation only.

 

[daveman]

I don't need some white boy telling me what blacks are.

I know many more black people than you. I participate in discussions on black social media and forums. What I am teling you is how bcks fee about blacks who support Trump. You are a racist who is of the opinion that we cannot think unless white liberals tell us what to think. Biden defined nothing. We define blacks who are stupid enough to vote for Trump.

Oh, shut the fuck up, racist.

 

[Unkotare]

We keep getting told by white Trump supporting Republicans about how Blacks are running to the Republican party and pretty much act like they are the experts on being black. Here is a study that has been done over a 10 year time frame of black people by black people. Not some survey of 50 blacks and if 10 say they will vote for trump we see that right wing whites exaggerate thatto mean 20 percent of all blacks in America are turning away from Democrats or are supporting Donald Trump.

The Lives and Voices of Black Families in 2024

Introduction.

For the past few elections, National Black Women’s Reproductive Justice Agenda: In Our Own Voice has invested in rigorous and robust national surveys to better understand the voting and policy priorities, needs, and views among Black adults. In Our Own Voice commissioned Perry Undem to develop this poll ahead of a crucial 2024 voting cycle.

Many issues are on the minds of Black adults. Cost of living and racism / racial justice top the list.

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If the presidential election were held today, a slight majority (55%) says they’d vote for the Democratic candidate.

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https://blackrj.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/In-Our-Own-Voice_-Lives-Voices-of-Black-Families-2024.pdf

So as this survey shows racial justice is basically just as important to blacks as the economy. So for all you right wingers telling us how you have black friends who don't concern themselves with race, THAT IS A LIE!

And the claim that blacks are running to the Republican party is another one.

"Race, race, race, race, race, race, race, race, race, race, race, race, race, race, race, race, race, race, race!"

 

[daveman]

That's ignorant. But that's ok. I'm used to that.

Daryl Metcalfe, a member of Pennsylvania’s House of Representatives, wasn’t the first modern Republican legislator to buttress a specious argument for voter suppression with racist undertones. In September 2012, on the eve of President Barack Obama’s reelection, Metcalfe tried to defend the dubious voter identification law he had sponsored by explaining that “a lot of people out there … are too lazy to get up and get out there and get the ID they need.” He was roundly criticized. So was Rep. Mike Turzai, then state house majority leader, who gleefully predicted that the state’s voter suppression efforts would give Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney Pennsylvania’s electoral votes.​

[...]​

Republican officials repeatedly concede that, in the words of South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, “”If Republicans don’t challenge and change the US election system, there will never be another Republican president elected again.”​

[...]​

Take Arizona, for another example. After voters there elected two Democratic senators and gave the state to Joe Biden, anxious Republican legislators recently introduced (by the Brennan Center’s own count) at least 22 restrictive bills designed to make it harder for citizens to cast a lawful ballot. There is more than a whiff of Jim Crow in these efforts. “Not everybody wants to vote, and if somebody is uninterested in voting, that probably means that they’re totally uninformed on the issues,” Arizona Rep. Joe Kavanagh said last week. “Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes, as well.”​

No More Pretending: Republicans Admit Vote Restrictions Are All About Winning | Washington Monthly

As one top GOP lawyer says, allowing for mail ballot or other reforms “puts us at a competitive disadvantage.”

washingtonmonthly.com

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Okay, how is that worse than Democrats insisting black people are too poor or too dumb to get ID?