Resistance from within: Federal workers push back against Trump

[Claudette]

It's not about firing federal workers. It's about draining the swamp by eliminating or downsizing useless and often redundant federal bureaucracies

I agree and half the Fed work force could disappear tomorrow and not a ******* soul would notice.

Bloated and inefficient. That's our Govt.

 

[Kondor3]

Resistance on the part of Federal employees is damned-near nonexistent.

180 employees attending a Safe Resistance seminar out of - what? - 2,700,000 souls employed by the Executive branch?

( Total Government Employment Since 1962 2014 stats by the US Office of Personnel Management [OPM] )

A few hundred souls at the State Dept, signing a petition? Out of 2,700,000 souls employed by the Executive branch?

A few scattered blogs and amateur-hour teenage angst groups on social media, out of over...?

Are you friggin' kidding me?

Federal employees are sworn to uphold the Constitution.

Until the President orders something which has been authoritatively declared to be unconstitutional, Federal employees are obliged to carry out such orders.

There is very little - perhaps no - evidence of substantive 'resistance' within the Federal work force.

At best, a few agencies are dragging their feet a bit, in hanging new wall portraits of the new Fearless Leader...

At most Federal agencies, public lobbies usually have a portrait of the President, alongside a portrait of whatever Cabinet Secretary oversees that agency...

Given how few Cabinet posts have been confirmed to-date, some agencies appear to be waiting until new Secretaries are confirmed, before hanging both portraits...

Leaving those wall-spaces blank / empty, until both portraits are ready...

I've noticed that, for example, and that is funny...

But it's not terribly meaningful nor significant...

 

[Kondor3]

Maybe it's because they care about their work and Trump puts in people who actively want to destroy their agencies .

Imagine you work for doe and your new leader wants to destroy public schools !?

Those Federal employees who are working for agencies which are about to be downsized or eliminated should be concerned... they will soon be on the Unemployment Line.

Many of them could not (or could no longer) compete effectively on the outside, beyond the domain of protected Federal employment.

Most of them care about their agency's mission, to some extent or another, however...

All of them care - and many care primarily - about their jobs...

Many of them are shitting their pants at the prospect of having to go back out into the cold, hard world...

I'd be carrying some teenage angst-baggage about that, myself, in their shoes...

 

[koshergrl]

fire those fuckers. And prosecute them. They violate the terms of their employment every day with their bs.

 

[Kondor3]

fire those fuckers. And prosecute them. They violate the terms of their employment every day with their bs.

Hmmmmm... not really sure that's true... Federal workers are, indeed, operating with a few restrictions; however, the First Amendment applies to them, as well; it's tricky...

A good example would be the (amended) Hatch Act; prohibiting Federal workers from political campaigning on agency time, but leaving them free to speak, beyond that...

 

[Correll]

They're attending seminars and workshops on how to get away with dissent. What can the president do about it? Many are career civil servants who are almost impossible to fire.

The signs of popular dissent from President Trump’s opening volley of actions have been plain to see on the nation’s streets, at airports in the aftermath of his refugee and visa ban, and in the blizzard of outrage on social media. But there’s another level of resistance to the new president that is less visible and potentially more troublesome to the administration: a growing wave of opposition from the federal workers charged with implementing any new president’s agenda.

This is but one of several articles I';ve seen on the subject. More @ Resistance from within: Federal workers push back against Trump

So much for democracy.

Transfer them to jobs where they sit and look out the window as their job. They are still deadweight collecting a paycheck, but they won't be in a position to abuse their authority fighting the democratically elected President.

 

[Iceweasel]

Resistance on the part of Federal employees is damned-near nonexistent.

180 employees attending a Safe Resistance seminar out of - what? - 2,700,000 souls employed by the Executive branch?

( Total Government Employment Since 1962 2014 stats by the US Office of Personnel Management [OPM] )

A few hundred souls at the State Dept, signing a petition? Out of 2,700,000 souls employed by the Executive branch?

A few scattered blogs and amateur-hour teenage angst groups on social media, out of over...?

Are you friggin' kidding me?

Federal employees are sworn to uphold the Constitution.

Until the President orders something which has been authoritatively declared to be unconstitutional, Federal employees are obliged to carry out such orders.

There is very little - perhaps no - evidence of substantive 'resistance' within the Federal work force.

At best, a few agencies are dragging their feet a bit, in hanging new wall portraits of the new Fearless Leader...

At most Federal agencies, public lobbies usually have a portrait of the President, alongside a portrait of whatever Cabinet Secretary oversees that agency...

Given how few Cabinet posts have been confirmed to-date, some agencies appear to be waiting until new Secretaries are confirmed, before hanging both portraits...

Leaving those wall-spaces blank / empty, until both portraits are ready...

I've noticed that, for example, and that is funny...

But it's not terribly meaningful nor significant...

Ah ...so protests are meaningless? Thanks!

 

[koshergrl]

They're attending seminars and workshops on how to get away with dissent. What can the president do about it? Many are career civil servants who are almost impossible to fire.

The signs of popular dissent from President Trump’s opening volley of actions have been plain to see on the nation’s streets, at airports in the aftermath of his refugee and visa ban, and in the blizzard of outrage on social media. But there’s another level of resistance to the new president that is less visible and potentially more troublesome to the administration: a growing wave of opposition from the federal workers charged with implementing any new president’s agenda.

This is but one of several articles I';ve seen on the subject. More @ Resistance from within: Federal workers push back against Trump

Insubordination is an easy offense to fire someone.

I guarantee if they check their computer usage, they will find plenty of reasons to fire.

 

[koshergrl]

fire those fuckers. And prosecute them. They violate the terms of their employment every day with their bs.

Hmmmmm... not really sure that's true... Federal workers are, indeed, operating with a few restrictions; however, the First Amendment applies to them, as well; it's tricky...

A good example would be the (amended) Hatch Act; prohibiting Federal workers from political campaigning on agency time, but leaving them free to speak, beyond that...

its not tricky. They dont get to exercise their first amendment rights while being paid to do something else. They dont get to use federal resources to spread lies, harass prople, and racketeer.

 

[ColonelAngus]

They're attending seminars and workshops on how to get away with dissent. What can the president do about it? Many are career civil servants who are almost impossible to fire.

The signs of popular dissent from President Trump’s opening volley of actions have been plain to see on the nation’s streets, at airports in the aftermath of his refugee and visa ban, and in the blizzard of outrage on social media. But there’s another level of resistance to the new president that is less visible and potentially more troublesome to the administration: a growing wave of opposition from the federal workers charged with implementing any new president’s agenda.

This is but one of several articles I';ve seen on the subject. More @ Resistance from within: Federal workers push back against Trump

They should be updating their resumes and looking for work.

 

[dannyboys]

It's not about firing federal workers. It's about draining the swamp by eliminating or downsizing useless and often redundant federal bureaucracies

That's what these LIB 'do-nothings' are the most terrified of.
They KNEW if Hillary was elected they could stay on the 'gravy train' until they retired.
Now they are shit scared someone will show up from President Trump's team and demand to examine their daily work product logs.

 

[hunarcy]

They're attending seminars and workshops on how to get away with dissent. What can the president do about it? Many are career civil servants who are almost impossible to fire.

The signs of popular dissent from President Trump’s opening volley of actions have been plain to see on the nation’s streets, at airports in the aftermath of his refugee and visa ban, and in the blizzard of outrage on social media. But there’s another level of resistance to the new president that is less visible and potentially more troublesome to the administration: a growing wave of opposition from the federal workers charged with implementing any new president’s agenda.

This is but one of several articles I';ve seen on the subject. More @ Resistance from within: Federal workers push back against Trump

One of the things that a career civil servant can lose his/her job for is insubordination. So, not impossible to fire at all.

Civil Service Commission | CHAPTER II. APPEALS, DISCIPLINE AND SEPARATIONS Click on "Causes"

 

[dannyboys]

They're attending seminars and workshops on how to get away with dissent. What can the president do about it? Many are career civil servants who are almost impossible to fire.

The signs of popular dissent from President Trump’s opening volley of actions have been plain to see on the nation’s streets, at airports in the aftermath of his refugee and visa ban, and in the blizzard of outrage on social media. But there’s another level of resistance to the new president that is less visible and potentially more troublesome to the administration: a growing wave of opposition from the federal workers charged with implementing any new president’s agenda.

This is but one of several articles I';ve seen on the subject. More @ Resistance from within: Federal workers push back against Trump

One of the things that a career civil servant can lose his/her job for is insubordination. So, not impossible to fire at all.

Civil Service Commission | CHAPTER II. APPEALS, DISCIPLINE AND SEPARATIONS Click on "Causes"

President Trump has had to deal with 'Trojan Horses'/industrial spies/con men/blackmailers/thieves/posers/liars/etc for decades.
Now he has to deal with a 100% corrupt MSNBC/CNN. Don't think President Trump is up for the job?
Watch and learn.
He NEVER loses!
Anyone who thinks President Trump is going to end up losing to these Hillary asslicker LIBs is delusional.
His team is busy busy busy setting traps and planting landmines throughout these agencies.
It won't take long to ferret them out.
Standard procedure. Happens thousands of times a day:
Office. No chairs. One desk. One sheet of paper. One pen. Employee enters the room. One person standing behind the desk. "Come in. There's a letter of resignation on this desk. You will read it and sign it after I leave. After you sign the letter you will be escorted from the building. All your personal effects will be promptly delivered to where you live. Leave your office keys on the table".
This is exactly what's about to happen within every Government agency.

 

[Timmy]

If y'all really cared about waste you would focus on the biggest offenders . The pentagon.

Instead Trumps wants to throw more money at them .

 

[Kondor3]

fire those fuckers. And prosecute them. They violate the terms of their employment every day with their bs.

Hmmmmm... not really sure that's true... Federal workers are, indeed, operating with a few restrictions; however, the First Amendment applies to them, as well; it's tricky...

A good example would be the (amended) Hatch Act; prohibiting Federal workers from political campaigning on agency time, but leaving them free to speak, beyond that...

its not tricky.

Yes, it IS tricky, to distinguish, at law, between political activity and the exercise of free speech, even in the workplace.

...They dont get to exercise their first amendment rights while being paid to do something else...

They are allowed to breathe.

They are allowed to have a heart-beat.

They are allowed to walk and talk.

Even while they are doing their jobs.

...They dont get to use federal resources to spread lies, harass prople, and racketeer.

Correct.

They do not get to use Federal resources in pursuit of political goals or activities.

No using of Federal PCs and Internet and copiers and phones and faxes, etc.

That does not mean that they are not allowed to talk while on-duty.

As to spreading lies, harassing people or racketeering...

Do you have specific examples in-mind, that you can cite for us?

I have not encountered this myself, in my extensive and routine daily dealings with Federal employees.

 

[koshergrl]

fire those fuckers. And prosecute them. They violate the terms of their employment every day with their bs.

Hmmmmm... not really sure that's true... Federal workers are, indeed, operating with a few restrictions; however, the First Amendment applies to them, as well; it's tricky...

A good example would be the (amended) Hatch Act; prohibiting Federal workers from political campaigning on agency time, but leaving them free to speak, beyond that...

its not tricky.

Yes, it IS tricky, to distinguish, at law, between political activity and the exercise of free speech, even in the workplace.

...They dont get to exercise their first amendment rights while being paid to do something else...

They are allowed to breathe.

They are allowed to have a heart-beat.

They are allowed to walk and talk.

Even while they are doing their jobs.

...They dont get to use federal resources to spread lies, harass prople, and racketeer.

Correct.

They do not get to use Federal resources in pursuit of political goals or activities.

No using of Federal PCs and Internet and copiers and phones and faxes, etc.

That does not mean that they are not allowed to talk while on-duty.

As to spreading lies, harassing people or racketeering...

Do you have specific examples in-mind, that you can cite for us?

I have not encountered this myself, in my extensive and routine daily dealings with Federal employees.

Nobody told them they couldn't talk, asshat.

The Unusual Story of How This Government Agency Broke the Law Using Twitter

 

[koshergrl]

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2017/...y-derail-bundy-ranch-standoff-trial/97488434/

btw, this particular *agent* ^^^^ is now on mental health leave.

 

[longknife]

A couple of points. When Congress passed the law about firing VA employees, action was taken to do so. Can't remember the name of the federal labor bureau, but they were soon reinstated.

In most cases, when bureaus/agencies are downsized, it simply means that civil servants are given preference to be hired at other agencies. Many are given the option of retirement which means a lifetime of receiving taxpayer's money.

We just go from one waste of money to another.

 

[koshergrl]

A couple of points. When Congress passed the law about firing VA employees, action was taken to do so. Can't remember the name of the federal labor bureau, but they were soon reinstated.

In most cases, when bureaus/agencies are downsized, it simply means that civil servants are given preference to be hired at other agencies. Many are given the option of retirement which means a lifetime of receiving taxpayer's money.

We just go from one waste of money to another.

No, it doesn't necessarily mean that.

They can be laid off, anybody can be laid off. There is no heavenly mandate that useless, bloated federal pukes can't have their positions eliminated. Yeah you might have to pay them something in unemployment...the point is the position has been eliminated so the expense dies with the person.

And these agencies have a LOT of expenses above and beyond the wages they pay. There is the equipment, the infrastructure, the training, the vehicles, the buildings......all end when those asshats are fired.

 

[Kondor3]

fire those fuckers. And prosecute them. They violate the terms of their employment every day with their bs.

Hmmmmm... not really sure that's true... Federal workers are, indeed, operating with a few restrictions; however, the First Amendment applies to them, as well; it's tricky...

A good example would be the (amended) Hatch Act; prohibiting Federal workers from political campaigning on agency time, but leaving them free to speak, beyond that...

its not tricky.

Yes, it IS tricky, to distinguish, at law, between political activity and the exercise of free speech, even in the workplace.

...They dont get to exercise their first amendment rights while being paid to do something else...

They are allowed to breathe.

They are allowed to have a heart-beat.

They are allowed to walk and talk.

Even while they are doing their jobs.

...They dont get to use federal resources to spread lies, harass prople, and racketeer.

Correct.

They do not get to use Federal resources in pursuit of political goals or activities.

No using of Federal PCs and Internet and copiers and phones and faxes, etc.

That does not mean that they are not allowed to talk while on-duty.

As to spreading lies, harassing people or racketeering...

Do you have specific examples in-mind, that you can cite for us?

I have not encountered this myself, in my extensive and routine daily dealings with Federal employees.

Nobody told them they couldn't talk, asshat.

The Unusual Story of How This Government Agency Broke the Law Using Twitter

Now there's an intelligent response... stick to bumper-sticker slogans, dearie.. your intellectual deficiencies are showing...