"Republicans for Derrick Chauvin" are the worst form of anti conservative RINO bigots...

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He was coherent enough to chat with Chauvin for 5 minutes and then correctly assess his situation.

Floyd was on drugs, passing a counterfeit bill, and resisted arrest

You can quibble about everything else, but you cant change those basic facts

 

[EMH]

Floyd was on drugs, passing a counterfeit bill

The "counterfeit" charge is almost certainly complete bullshit. Chauvin wanted Floyd, and for something way more important than a 20. I've had bills that failed the Kroger cash machine checkouts. I took them to the police, told them how I got them, and that was that, what the law says you are supposed to do. Even if you believe that Floyd did pass a counterfeit, which is easy to frame someone for, it would be virtually impossible without further evidence to prove that he knew he was passing a counterfeit. So, NO, your sorry ass does not "know" that Floyd passed a counterfeit, it only knows that Chauvin accuses him of that.

Ditto for the dope. The Fentanyl charge is complete BS and the coroner's "findings" on that should convict the coroner of aiding and abetting, the same way the climate "scientists" should get it for fudging data that was actually showing no warming. It is 100% impossible for any human to ingest twice lethal dose of Fentanyl and be in any way coherent enough 5 minutes later to carry on a conversation. THAT WOULD STAND UP IN COURT, and SHOULD be used to rid America of that murder enabling coroner.

So, no, you have a beak and a birdbrain, and nothing more...

Floyd did nothing, found himself cuffed and facing the Minneapolis GOON SQUAD with orders to terminate him.

 

[mikegriffith1]

The "counterfeit" charge is almost certainly complete bullshit. Chauvin wanted Floyd, and for something way more important than a 20. I've had bills that failed the Kroger cash machine checkouts. I took them to the police, told them how I got them, and that was that, what the law says you are supposed to do. Even if you believe that Floyd did pass a counterfeit, which is easy to frame someone for, it would be virtually impossible without further evidence to prove that he knew he was passing a counterfeit. So, NO, your sorry ass does not "know" that Floyd passed a counterfeit, it only knows that Chauvin accuses him of that.

Ditto for the dope. The Fentanyl charge is complete BS and the coroner's "findings" on that should convict the coroner of aiding and abetting, the same way the climate "scientists" should get it for fudging data that was actually showing no warming. It is 100% impossible for any human to ingest twice lethal dose of Fentanyl and be in any way coherent enough 5 minutes later to carry on a conversation. THAT WOULD STAND UP IN COURT, and SHOULD be used to rid America of that murder enabling coroner.

So, no, you have a beak and a birdbrain, and nothing more...

Floyd did nothing, found himself cuffed and facing the Minneapolis GOON SQUAD with orders to terminate him.

Again, you have no clue what you are talking about. No clue. The counterfeit charge was most certainly not BS. The store workers where Floyd tried to use the counterfeit money spotted the counterfeit and called the police. The police found numerous counterfeit bills stuffed between the seats in Floyd's car.

Let's get some other facts straight:

* The footage that shows the best view of Derek Chauvin's knee on George Floyd shows that his knee was not on the middle of the neck but varied between the side of the neck and the area of the upper back just below the neck. Even the very anti-Chauvin Minneapolis police chief admitted this under cross examination. The medical examiner also acknowledged this.

* The chief medical examiner, after noting that he was aware of cases where people had died from 3 ng/ml of fentanyl, observed that if Floyd had been found dead in an apartment with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood, his death would have been ruled an overdose. Floyd's toxicology report showed 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood.

* Floyd began complaining about being unable to breathe long before he was pinned on the ground. This was probably because of the large amount of fentanyl he had ingested. A known, documented side effect of the normal dosage of fentanyl is "slowed breathing" and "stopped breathing." Floyd took much more than the normal dosage. Another plausible cause of Floyd's breathing issue was his heart condition and hypertension combined with the excitement of the police encounter. All of these factors may have caused his breathing issue.

Regardless of the reason, Floyd began to claim that he could not breathe several minutes before he was pinned on the ground, so clearly there was something medically wrong with him before Chauvin pinned him on the ground. Yet the prosecution made the ludicrous claim that Floyd's health issues and drug ingestion played no role in his death, and that Floyd died solely and only from the force that Chauvin applied.

* Floyd was only pinned on the ground after he refused to get into the police car and then violently resisted arrest. Floyd’s resistance included kicking one of the officers hard enough to nearly knock him over. If Floyd had gotten into the police car and not resisted arrest, he never would have been pinned on the ground in the first place.

* For that matter, Floyd had two chances to avoid even having the police called to the scene: after Floyd stole the cigarettes from a Cup Foods store by using a counterfeit $20 bill to buy them, two Cup Foods employees confronted him about the stolen cigarettes and twice asked him to either return them or pay for them. Both times he refused, and when he refused the second time, one of the employees called for the police.

* The prosecution made the ludicrous claim that Floyd died of asphyxiation and that Floyd's serious heart condition, his hypertension, and his ingestion of fentanyl and meth had absolutely nothing to do with his death. However, there was no evidence of asphyxiation. The medical examiner made this clear. Specifically:

There was no evidence of petechial hemorrhaging. There was no bruising to the neck or back above the skin, no bruising under the skin, and no bruising of the subcutaneous muscles of the neck and back. The medical examiner said he would expect to see those things if Floyd had died of asphyxiation.

In addition, there was no finding that pressure was applied to the point of the neck that would have caused these injuries. There were no injuries to the structures of the neck. The medical examiner also noted that when he finally did review the video footage of the incident, it did not appear to him that the placement of the knee affected the structures of the neck because Mr. Floyd could lift up his head, turn his head, move it around. Furthermore, he saw no fractures to the structures of the neck, including the hyoid bone. There were no soft tissue injuries to the sides of Floyd’s neck either.

-- The prosecution’s breathing expert, Dr. Martin Tobin, admitted that no more than half of Chauvin’s weight was applied on Floyd at any time. Chauvin, who is only 5’9”, weighed 140 pounds at the time, and his body gear weighed another 30-40 pounds. To be exact, Tobin said that when Chauvin shifted his weight to his knee and took a foot off the ground, “that’s 91.5 pounds . . . coming down directly” on Floyd. There’s no way that even a halfway healthy person would be rendered unable to breathe just from having 91.5 pounds applied to his upper back, or even to his neck.

The defense proved with analysis of video enlargements and still frames that at times Chauvin shifted his weight back and forth on his feet, which means that even less than 91.5 pounds was being applied to Floyd during those times.

-- Under cross-examination, Tobin admitted that the area where he was claiming Chauvin’s knee was applied was the nuchal ligament, which Tobin acknowledged is “a very, very hard surface” that “can withstand a great amount of pressure.” The nuchal ligament spans the entire back of the neck, from C2 to C7. So if Chauvin’s knee was ever on Floyd’s neck, it was on the nuchal ligament.

And keep in mind that Floyd was 6’4” and weighed 223 pounds, whereas Chauvin was only 5’9” and weighed 140 pounds. Thus, Chauvin was 7 inches shorter and 83 pounds lighter than Floyd. Even if we add Chauvin’s police gear, which weighed about 30-40 pounds, Chauvin was still at least 40 pounds lighter than Floyd.

-- In a key admission, Tobin tacitly conceded that in his analysis of all the video footage, there were times when Chauvin’s knee was not on Floyd’s neck.

Yet, throughout the trial, the prosecution insisted that Chauvin’s knee was always and only on Floyd’s neck, even though two of the prosecution’s witnesses (the police chief and the medical examiner) admitted under cross-examination that the video segments that showed the best view of the location of Chauvin’s knee showed that the knee was not on the neck but was on the area of the upper back just below the neck.

-- The prosecution had to strive to maintain the knee-on-the-neck falsehood because it was crucial for their claim that Floyd died of violent asphyxiation, i.e., that Chauvin suffocated Floyd, in effect choked him to death.

However, Tobin admitted that the autopsy found no bruising on the skin or beneath the skin over the nuchal ligament. Tobin further admitted that the autopsy found no damage to the hypopharynx.

In fact, there was no medical evidence of violent asphyxiation whatsoever. Absolutely none. There was no petechial hemorrhaging, no bruising to the neck on the skin, no bruising on the upper back on the skin, no bruising under the skin, and no bruising of the subcutaneous muscles of the neck and upper back. The medical examiner admitted that he would expect to see those things if Floyd had died of violent asphyxiation.

-- The police bodycam footage contained strong exculpatory evidence, which is probably why the DA and the (very anti-Chauvin) police chief refused to release the footage until Chauvin’s trial began.

The bodycam footage shows Floyd’s repeated refusal to get into the police car. It shows Floyd claiming he could not breathe even before the police tried to put him in the police car, and long before he was pinned on the ground. It shows Floyd’s repeated denials that he was on drugs. And it shows Floyd’s violent resistance against the police officers when they tried to put him in the car. All of this occurred before Floyd was pinned on the ground. Floyd’s violent resistance was the reason Chauvin decided to pin him on the ground.

The bodycam footage provides the crucial context missing from the Darnella Frazier video. The Frazier video only starts after Floyd had been pinned on the ground.

-- George Floyd was no “hero” and no “kind and gentle” person. He was a violent thug who also happened to be a porn actor. Between 1997 and 2005, Floyd served eight jail terms on various charges, including drug possession, theft, and trespassing. In 2007 he was arrested for aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon and was sentenced to five years in prison in 2009. In that crime, he pushed a gun against a woman’s stomach before looking for things to rob.

In Floyd’s porn acting, he used the names “Big Floyd” and “Floyd the Landlord.” In one video made in 2016, this supposedly “loving and caring father” had sex with a girl who was young enough to be his daughter: Floyd was 43 and she was 21.

* The prosecution simply ignored the well-documented fact that the lethal dosage of fentanyl for some people can be as low as 1 ng/ml, and that, as the medical examiner himself correctly noted, the standard range of fentanyl's lethal dosage starts at 3 ng/ml. Floyd had nearly four times more fentanyl than that in his blood: 11 ng/ml.

Here are some sources that document the fact that people have died from 3 ng/ml of fentanyl:

Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner's Office

Fatalities caused by novel opioids: a review - PMC

Multiple Fentanyl Overdoses — New Haven, Connecticut, June 23, 2016

http://www.ochsnerjournal.org/content/ochjnl/19/4/314.full.pdf

Here is what the NIH says about fentanyl:

Fentanyl is a powerful synthetic opioid that is similar to morphine but is 50 to 100 times more potent. . . .

Fentanyl's effects include . . . problems breathing. . . .

When people overdose on fentanyl, their breathing can slow or stop. This can decrease the amount of oxygen that reaches the brain, a condition called hypoxia. Hypoxia can lead to a coma and permanent brain damage, and even death. (Fentanyl DrugFacts | National Institute on Drug Abuse)

* The prosecution did all they could to ignore the fact that there was a critical 8-minute delay in getting air into Floyd's lungs after the EMS personnel arrived. Even one of the prosecution's medical experts admitted this delay was "crucial." Chauvin had nothing to do with this delay. The delay occurred because the EMS personnel concluded that the crowd's hostility made the situation unsafe for them to begin reviving Floyd on the scene.

So the blame for this crucial delay can be placed on the people in the crowd who were cursing and yelling at the police. The crowd members who were doing the cursing and yelling knew nothing about what had happened before Floyd was pinned on the ground, and apparently it never occurred to them that the police had a good reason for pinning Floyd on the ground.

The unruly crowd members who caused the 8-minute delay in getting air into Floyd's lungs had not seen Floyd violently resist being placed into the police car. They had not seen Floyd kick Officer Lane and Officer Chauvin while they were struggling with him (he kicked Chauvin hard enough to knock off his bodycam and his badge; he kicked Lane so hard that he nearly knocked him over). They had not seen Floyd repeatedly deny he was on drugs. They did not know that Floyd began saying he could not breathe long before he was pinned on the ground.

Nor did the cursing and yelling crowd members know that Floyd had had numerous chances to avoid being pinned by simply getting into the police car. They did not know that Floyd had ingested more than three times the lethal dosage of a drug that can slow or stop your breathing. They did not know that Floyd had a serious heart problem--that Floyd had a 90% narrowing of the right coronary artery and a 75% narrowing of the left coronary artery. They did not know that Floyd suffered from hypertension. They did not know that Floyd had just stolen items from the Cup Foods store by using counterfeit money, and that the police had been called because Floyd had twice refused to return or pay for the items when two store employees asked him to do so.

The crowd members who were cursing and yelling at the police did not know any of these things. They happened to show up, saw Floyd pinned on the ground, and assumed the worst about the police.

* Not only did the prosecution fail to prove that Chauvin's use of force was excessive, but they offered no evidence that Chauvin had intended his force to be harmful. The defense noted that Chauvin offered to roll down the rear windows if Floyd would just get in the police car, that he offered to sit with Floyd in the car, and that he offered to turn on the air conditioning if Floyd desired. These are hardly the actions of a police officer who was intent on harming the suspect.

* The prosecution emphasized the fact that Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's back even after Floyd stopped turning and kicking. But according to police training and policy, Chauvin had every right to keep Floyd pinned on the ground even though he had stopped twisting and flexing his legs, given the serious physical confrontation that had just occurred.

 

[EMH]

The counterfeit charge was most certainly not BS

The police found numerous counterfeit bills stuffed between the seats in Floyd's car.

LOL!!!

GOON SQUADS plant evidence. If you are a store owner in Minneapolis and the GOON SQUAD wants you to claim "this guy passed a fake 20" you either do that or you end up like him. There is "no controlling legal authority" to stop it. The locals are corrupt, the state is corrupt, and the FBI is absolutely hopeless.

YOU WERE NOT THERE. YOU ARE JUST A BEAKED BIRDBRAIN PARROTING.

The chief medical examiner, after noting that he was aware of cases where people had died from 3 ng/ml of fentanyl, observed that if Floyd had been found dead in an apartment with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood, his death would have been ruled an overdose. Floyd's toxicology report showed 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood.

and what everyone with an IQ over 5 knows is that if that amount of Fentanyl is in a human, the human is completely incapacitated in two minutes, dead in 5, and hence the accusation of Fentanyl is proven false by the video. Floyd is coherent after min 25 minutes after the latest time he could have ingested it.

Floyd began complaining about being unable to breathe long before he was pinned on the ground.

lie

Both times he refused, and when he refused the second time, one of the employees called for the police.

There is more than 5 minutes right there. Are you arguing Floyd ingested the twice lethal dose of Fentanyl after that?

MORON!!!

which is probably why the DA and the (very anti-Chauvin) police chief

LOL!!!!

You are a comedy of lies... The DA and the chief are part of the MN Machine.... DUH....

no evidence that Chauvin had intended his force to be harmful.

He could have given Floyd one shot to the stomach and stuffed him in the car. That's the protocol. You will not find one single police handbook that says throw the cuffed suspect on the ground and put your knee on his neck...



Let's face it, since Faux News and W, the GOP has been infiltrated with LEFT WING BIGOTED LBJ SUPPORTERS who are PRO ISRAEL and PRO HANDOUT and PRO BIG GOVERNMENT and 100% ANTI AMERICAN. That's why Mike Johnson is Speaker, because he is a clone of YOU.



There is no rational defense of Chauvin and everything you just posted is proof of that.


You love Democrat Big City Machines having the right to off people the Dems want offed. That is who you are, and why you were an LBJ supporter. You want a mass murdering Democrat GOON SQUAD leader freed because you are nothing but a treasonous SUB HUMAN BIGOT devoid of a molecule of patriotism to America and an IQ over 5.

 

[EMH]

Let me ask all the bigoted faux "Republicans" here who love Chauvin...

Do any of you question the official version of 911?

We all know BrokeLoser is a big supporter of W, a handout seeking pill popping left wing big government bigot who hates blacks and muslims, loves Israel and hates America, and has an IQ under 5.

Any of you have the IQ over 5 necessary to notice 911 was a hate hoaxed fraud?


And this is the problem of the GOP today. It is filled with supporters of LBJ who are not the slightest big conservative, they don't believe in the Constitution, they were all for the Confederacy and the South in the Civil War, and they vote for all these big spending big government left wing PRO ISRAEL RINOs like Speaker Mike...

 

[LeroyDumonde]

You are a completely sick and anti American person if you approved of what Chauvin did. That big smirk on Chauvin's face was knowing that coroner would clear him and make everyone in Minneapolis know "he's bad..."

Chauvin turned St. Floyd on his side so that he wouldn't choke on his own vomit. Didn't you notice that the other officers were there preventing him from rolling over too?