You do know that men help cause all unwanted pregnancies right?
Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. Their failed arguments are examined here:
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Mississippi argued Dobbs A B & C
{A) Mississippi, through Dobbs, argued that the Constitution does not provide a right to abortion (and as such, states can freely ban abortions if it is rationally related to legitimate government interests).
{B} Mississippi argued that “liberty” as written in the Fourteenth Amendment only implicates fundamental rights that are “deeply rooted in U.S history and tradition.”
{C} Mississippi contended that the “viability line” prevented a state from protecting its interest and was too arbitrary or subjective
When progeny is a ZEF it’s existence is a private matter and the state has no interest in it’s fate.
When progeny meets a live birth requirement it becomes a public matter and the state has an obligation and interest to make both parents support a child’s development as a minimum financially. If they can’t then the state has an interest in taking the child from them and finding somebody who will.
{A) Mississippi, through Dobbs, argued that the Constitution does not provide a right to abortion (and as such, states can freely ban abortions if it is rationally related to legitimate government interests).
{B} Mississippi argued that “liberty” as written in the Fourteenth Amendment only implicates fundamental rights that are “deeply rooted in U.S history and tradition.”
{C} Mississippi contended that the “viability line” prevented a state from protecting its interest and was too arbitrary or subjective
When progeny is a ZEF it’s existence is a private matter and the state has no interest in it’s fate.
When progeny meets a live birth requirement it becomes a public matter and the state has an obligation and interest to make both parents support a child’s development as a minimum financially. If they can’t then the state has an interest in taking the child from them and finding somebody who will.
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That’s not my logic.
My argument is that when a women learns that she is pregnant no Government should prevent her from requesting her doctor to assist her in a safe way to induce abortion that will end the life of the ZEF that needs to gestate in her body for a full term lasting over eight months.
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Libs accuse MAGA’s of being unscientific because we dont accept the global warming DOOMSDAY bullshit
Then they deny that unborn children are human beings which could not be more unscientific
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Sure, and only he is solely held responsible, with no choice after the fact.
A paradox, ain’t it?
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Sure, why not. And if she has the right to abort, but, for whatever reason she refuses, then she should not use her choice to force a guy to become a father.
So, yes, it is your logic.
How is he held solely responsible? What are you even talking about?
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He’s the ONLY ONE that currently can’t abandon his responsibility, after the fact.
But is forced by the government to become a Father.
It’s always so laughable to me how selective republicans are when it comes to the value of “personal responsibility” lol
Again, you get so caught up in what’s fair between the father and mother that you forget it’s all about the well being of the kid. If the mother chooses to keep the child, the man has an ethical obligation to help raise the kid for the sake of the kid and NOT for the sake of the mother.
Your entire ideology really doesn’t make any sense. You basically think in a deadlock between the mother and father that the father is the one who should choose to keep the baby or not. This obviously doesn’t make any sense considering only the mother is carrying the child for 9 months and must adjust her life accordingly. That makes it her decision. On the other hand, you also think the man should be able to opt out from his responsibilities if he wants to while also believing that abortion is repulsive.
Nothing you say makes any sense. You’re so obsessed with pwning a pro choice woman that you don’t seem to care how you contradict yourself.
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I do not deny that a ZEF is a human being in the first nine months of development.
Do I have to say they are not in the first nine month stage of development?
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The failure is that the mother is not required to carry a child.
Again, in states that she is required to carry full term, and abortions are banned, court ordered child support should be mandated. In states where abortion is legal, keep the courts out of it. The woman, should she wish to keep the child, she can seek voluntary support.
It is tough being, as I am, the most progressive on the subject. Oh well.
Again there is no logic in equating the mother’s role to the father’s role. The father is not the one carrying the child for 9 months and needing to adjust his lifestyle accordingly. His health is not on the line either. Also again, this isn’t about the father supporting the mother. It’s about the father supporting the child.
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Only she can decide if a child exists or not. If you want that sole decision role, take the responsibility for demanding it.
Easy peazy
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Many if not most pro abortion lbs deny the humanity of unborn children
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So what 2/3 of MAGA do too. Dobbs fucked Ya. Most of your Party are baby killers now.
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I suspect you know that's not true
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Do you support a 15 week ban like Trump does?
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Trump does not support a 15 week ban
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He said a six week ban is a terrible idea and he wants to compromise with Dems who have no reason to go below twenty.
Any legal abortions between six and nine weeks kills half a million baby fetuses every year.
Here’s the numbers:
Based on the date of the mother’s last menstrual period, the breakdown of abortions is as follows:
| Weeks of Pregnancy | Percentage | Yearly total |
| < 9 weeks | 65.4% | 563,958 |
| 9-10 weeks | 14.7% | 126,761 |
| 11-12 weeks | 8.2% | 70,710 |
| 13-15 weeks | 6.3% | 54,326 |
| 16-20 weeks | 4.1% | 35,355 |
| 21+ weeks | 1.3% | 11.,210 |
| All abortions | 100% | 862,320 |
NotfooledbyW said:
“Ninety-five percent of all abortions happen between six weeks and sixteen weeks”
nf.23.09.19 #1
Trump, in an interview that aired Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” criticized DeSantis for being “willing to sign a five-week and six-week ban.”
“I think what he did is a terrible thing and a terrible mistake,” said Trump, who appointed three Supreme Court justices who helped overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark ruling guaranteeing abortion access nationally.
nf.23.11.26 #439
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