Republicans are turning themselves into the enemies of republicanism

[Dante]

John Adams Warned Us: A Republic Without Virtue Cannot Survive​

America’s obsession with wealth risks hollowing out the foundation of its republic.
​

Republicans are turning themselves into the enemies of republicanism​

I know some people will ask "republicanism?" So, for simplicity we'll go with an AI definition:


AI Overview:
Republicanism is a political ideology centered on the belief that a state should be governed by the people's elected representatives, not by a monarch or ruling elite.

The core of republicanism is the concept of res publica, the Latin term for "public thing" or "commonwealth," emphasizing that the government and its laws serve the common good of all citizens.

Core principles

• Civic virtue: This involves citizens' active, honest, and selfless participation in public affairs to promote the common good. Early thinkers believed a republic's survival depended on a virtuous citizenry.
• Popular sovereignty: The authority of the government is derived from the consent of the people, who are the ultimate source of all power. All citizens are considered capable of self-rule.
• Rule of law: A republic is an "empire of laws, not of men," where a mixed constitution, checks and balances, and an independent judiciary limit governmental power and protect against tyranny and corruption.
• Freedom from domination: A key aspect of republican liberty is freedom from arbitrary power or the private will of a master. Instead, citizens are subject only to laws established for the common good.
• Rejection of hereditary rule: Republicanism fundamentally opposes monarchy and any form of inherited political power.

Please, take this thread seriously if you care about democracy and republicanism and how they have been strung together in the USA.
Read the AI "thingie" above. How does the GOP or the GOP President's values and words and actions align with that, if at all.

And let us not leave out the American people as a cultural entity, obsessed with wealth.

Mike Johnson Snaps When Shutdown Comments Thrown Back in His Face How can you say, ‘They take no pleasure in this,’ and then the next minute say, ‘Oh, they’re just having fun and trolling people?

By Edith Olmsted

Republicans are scrambling to downplay just how much enjoyment President Donald Trump is evidently extracting from preparations to fire federal workers by the thousands amid the government shutdown.

Speaking at a press conference Friday about Trump’s plans to make massive cuts to essential programs amid the government shutdown, House Speaker Mike Johnson admitted that the president was "trolling" Democrats. But at the same time, Johnson claimed that Trump and White House Budget Director Russell Vought took "no pleasure" in making the cuts.

"Now, are they taking great pleasure in that? No. Is [Trump] trolling the Democrats? Yes. I mean, yes! Because that’s what President Trump does, and people are having fun with this," Johnson said, likely referring to the trough of (often racist) AI slop the president has offered up to mock Democrats in the wake of the government shutdown.

Fox News congressional correspondent Chad Pergram pressed the speaker on his claim. "Square something for me. How can you say, ‘They take no pleasure in this,’ and then the next minute say, ‘Oh, they’re just having fun and trolling people?’" he asked.

“So, the effects are very serious on real people, real Americans. We support federal employees who do a great job in all these different areas. But what they’re trying to have fun with, trying to make light of, is to point out the absurdity of the Democrats’ position,” Johnson said. “And they’re using memes and all the, you know, tools of social media to do that. Some people find that entertaining. But at the end of the day the decisions are hard ones, and I tell you they’re not taking any pleasure in that.”

US Speaker of the House of Representatives, Mike Johnson(R):​

Mike Johnson Caught on Mic Accidentally Admitting Trump Is “Unhinged”

The damning hot mic audio revealed Johnson refusing to deny Donald Trump is “unwell.”

Being a "Yuge" fan of many of John Adams' ideas, thoughts, writings I have to say I was seriously appalled back in 2016 when the GOP selected djt to be it's standard bearer -- even after the Billy Bush tape and more.

John Adams understood a truth that feels even sharper today: a republic cannot endure without virtue. Writing to Mercy Otis Warren in April 1776, he warned that “public Virtue cannot exist in a Nation without [private virtue], and public Virtue is the only Foundation of Republics.” For Adams, liberty would not be preserved by clever constitutions alone. It depended on citizens who could restrain their selfish impulses for the sake of the common good.

To our Founding Fathers, it was obvious, or “self-evident,” that self-government, or a democratic republic, could only be perpetuated by the self-governed. Reflecting these precepts, a contemporary German writer to the Founders, J. W. von Goethe, stated: “What is the best government? — That which teaches us to govern ourselves.”[1] And, a later, prominent 19th Century minister, Henry Ward Beecher, simply said: “There is no liberty to men who know not how to govern themselves.”[2] Self-governance consists of self-regulation of our behavior, ambitions and passions. To this end, the Founders fundamentally believed that the ability to govern ourselves rests with our individual and collective virtue (or moral character).


John Adams stated it this way, “Public virtue cannot exist in a Nation without private Virtue, and public Virtue is the only Foundation of Republics.”[3] In this regard, the revolutionary war was as much a battle against “the corruption of 18th century British high society,”[4] as it was against financial oppression. While the Founders and American colonists were very concerned with their civil liberty and economic freedom, demanding “no taxation without representation,” they were equally concerned with their religious liberty, particularly in preserving their rights of individual conscience and public morality.[5] With respect to the vital need for virtue in order to establish and maintain a republic, the Founders were in complete harmony:

Without Virtue There Can Be No Liberty - John Adams College

By: J. David Gowdy

mountlibertycollege.org

John Adams to Mercy Otis Warren, 16 April 1776

 

[Nostra]

Fake intelligence, huh?

 

[Dante]

Fake intelligence, huh?

AI tech is amazing. To paraphrase Richard Dawkins "Don't pretend to be more profound than you really are."

I would use the example of the use of AI vs use of a library -- and suggest it's about real vs fake knowledge (not fake "intelligence).

But the AI tech is amazing, quite capable of giving answers to queries. But is it really knowledgeable or intelligent? That's not relevant here. Not at all.

Your pathetic post is a sort of ad hominem fallacy

 

[Concerned American]

John Adams Warned Us: A Republic Without Virtue Cannot Survive​

America’s obsession with wealth risks hollowing out the foundation of its republic.​

​

Republicans are turning themselves into the enemies of republicanism​

I know some people will ask "republicanism?" So, for simplicity we'll go with an AI definition:


AI Overview:
Republicanism is a political ideology centered on the belief that a state should be governed by the people's elected representatives, not by a monarch or ruling elite.

The core of republicanism is the concept of res publica, the Latin term for "public thing" or "commonwealth," emphasizing that the government and its laws serve the common good of all citizens.

Core principles

• Civic virtue: This involves citizens' active, honest, and selfless participation in public affairs to promote the common good. Early thinkers believed a republic's survival depended on a virtuous citizenry.
• Popular sovereignty: The authority of the government is derived from the consent of the people, who are the ultimate source of all power. All citizens are considered capable of self-rule.
• Rule of law: A republic is an "empire of laws, not of men," where a mixed constitution, checks and balances, and an independent judiciary limit governmental power and protect against tyranny and corruption.
• Freedom from domination: A key aspect of republican liberty is freedom from arbitrary power or the private will of a master. Instead, citizens are subject only to laws established for the common good.
• Rejection of hereditary rule: Republicanism fundamentally opposes monarchy and any form of inherited political power.

Please, take this thread seriously if you care about democracy and republicanism and how they have been strung together in the USA.
Read the AI "thingie" above. How does the GOP or the GOP President's values and words and actions align with that, if at all.

And let us not leave out the American people as a cultural entity, obsessed with wealth.





Being a "Yuge" fan of many of John Adams' ideas, thoughts, writings I have to say I was seriously appalled back in 2016 when the GOP selected djt to be it's standard bearer -- even after the Billy Bush tape and more.

John Adams understood a truth that feels even sharper today: a republic cannot endure without virtue. Writing to Mercy Otis Warren in April 1776, he warned that “public Virtue cannot exist in a Nation without [private virtue], and public Virtue is the only Foundation of Republics.” For Adams, liberty would not be preserved by clever constitutions alone. It depended on citizens who could restrain their selfish impulses for the sake of the common good.



John Adams to Mercy Otis Warren, 16 April 1776

And in all of that word salad, you didn't show one place where Adams said that health care should be doled out like charity. Try again.

 

[Dante]

And in all of that word salad, you didn't show one place where Adams said that health care should be doled out like charity. Try again.

wtf r u on about now?

When Dante wrote "for simplicity" it was not a roll call for the Simpletons of USMB

 

[Concerned American]

wtf r u on about now?

When Dante wrote "for simplicity" it was not a roll call for the Simpletons of USMB

When Dante wrote "for simplicity" it was an admission.

 

[Dante]

When Dante wrote "for simplicity" it was an admission.

Stop trolling this thread

 

[Concerned American]

Stop trolling this thread

The trolling started when you left the topic on post #5. I responded to the topic. I am sorry if the response was directly contrary to your OP narrative, but that is the nature of debate. No matter how simple you feel. Now would you like to return to explaining how John Adams never mentioned a welfare state in his warnings about moving from republicanism?

 

[Dante]

The trolling started when you left the topic on post #5. I responded to the topic. I am sorry if the response was directly contrary to your OP narrative, but that is the nature of debate. No matter how simple you feel. Now would you like to return to explaining how John Adams never mentioned a welfare state in his warnings about moving from republicanism?

You're still doing it: stop

 

[Thinker101]

Dang, Artificial Intelligence is more artificial than intelligence.

 

[Dante]

John Adams Warned Us: A Republic Without Virtue Cannot Survive​

America’s obsession with wealth risks hollowing out the foundation of its republic.​

​

Republicans are turning themselves into the enemies of republicanism​

I know some people will ask "republicanism?" So, for simplicity we'll go with an AI definition:


AI Overview:
Republicanism is a political ideology centered on the belief that a state should be governed by the people's elected representatives, not by a monarch or ruling elite.

The core of republicanism is the concept of res publica, the Latin term for "public thing" or "commonwealth," emphasizing that the government and its laws serve the common good of all citizens.

Core principles

• Civic virtue: This involves citizens' active, honest, and selfless participation in public affairs to promote the common good. Early thinkers believed a republic's survival depended on a virtuous citizenry.
• Popular sovereignty: The authority of the government is derived from the consent of the people, who are the ultimate source of all power. All citizens are considered capable of self-rule.
• Rule of law: A republic is an "empire of laws, not of men," where a mixed constitution, checks and balances, and an independent judiciary limit governmental power and protect against tyranny and corruption.
• Freedom from domination: A key aspect of republican liberty is freedom from arbitrary power or the private will of a master. Instead, citizens are subject only to laws established for the common good.
• Rejection of hereditary rule: Republicanism fundamentally opposes monarchy and any form of inherited political power.

Please, take this thread seriously if you care about democracy and republicanism and how they have been strung together in the USA.
Read the AI "thingie" above. How does the GOP or the GOP President's values and words and actions align with that, if at all.

And let us not leave out the American people as a cultural entity, obsessed with wealth.





Being a "Yuge" fan of many of John Adams' ideas, thoughts, writings I have to say I was seriously appalled back in 2016 when the GOP selected djt to be it's standard bearer -- even after the Billy Bush tape and more.

John Adams understood a truth that feels even sharper today: a republic cannot endure without virtue. Writing to Mercy Otis Warren in April 1776, he warned that “public Virtue cannot exist in a Nation without [private virtue], and public Virtue is the only Foundation of Republics.” For Adams, liberty would not be preserved by clever constitutions alone. It depended on citizens who could restrain their selfish impulses for the sake of the common good.



John Adams to Mercy Otis Warren, 16 April 1776

So Rambunctious gives a "thumbs down" rep and moves along

 

[Dante]

Dang, Artificial Intelligence is more artificial than intelligence.

Not sure how that relates to the OP.

try again.

simple:
address the content or

 

[my2¢]

The Republicans are the furthest from Adam Smith's free markets principles than they've ever been.

 

[Dante]

​

America’s obsession with wealth risks hollowing out the foundation of its republic.​

​

Republicans are turning themselves into the enemies of republicanism​

Mike Johnson Snaps When Shutdown Comments Thrown Back in His Face How can you say, ‘They take no pleasure in this,’ and then the next minute say, ‘Oh, they’re just having fun and trolling people?

By Edith Olmsted

Republicans are scrambling to downplay just how much enjoyment President Donald Trump is evidently extracting from preparations to fire federal workers by the thousands amid the government shutdown.

Speaking at a press conference Friday about Trump’s plans to make massive cuts to essential programs amid the government shutdown, House Speaker Mike Johnson admitted that the president was "trolling" Democrats. But at the same time, Johnson claimed that Trump and White House Budget Director Russell Vought took "no pleasure" in making the cuts.

"Now, are they taking great pleasure in that? No. Is [Trump] trolling the Democrats? Yes. I mean, yes! Because that’s what President Trump does, and people are having fun with this," Johnson said, likely referring to the trough of (often racist) AI slop the president has offered up to mock Democrats in the wake of the government shutdown.

Fox News congressional correspondent Chad Pergram pressed the speaker on his claim. "Square something for me. How can you say, ‘They take no pleasure in this,’ and then the next minute say, ‘Oh, they’re just having fun and trolling people?’" he asked.

“So, the effects are very serious on real people, real Americans. We support federal employees who do a great job in all these different areas. But what they’re trying to have fun with, trying to make light of, is to point out the absurdity of the Democrats’ position,” Johnson said. “And they’re using memes and all the, you know, tools of social media to do that. Some people find that entertaining. But at the end of the day the decisions are hard ones, and I tell you they’re not taking any pleasure in that.”

US Speaker of the House of Representatives, Mike Johnson(R):​

Mike Johnson Caught on Mic Accidentally Admitting Trump Is “Unhinged”

The damning hot mic audio revealed Johnson refusing to deny Donald Trump is “unwell.”


Being a "Yuge" fan of many of John Adams' ideas, thoughts, writings I have to say I was seriously appalled back in 2016 when the GOP selected djt to be it's standard bearer -- even after the Billy Bush tape and more.

John Adams understood a truth that feels even sharper today: a republic cannot endure without virtue. Writing to Mercy Otis Warren in April 1776, he warned that “public Virtue cannot exist in a Nation without [private virtue], and public Virtue is the only Foundation of Republics.” For Adams, liberty would not be preserved by clever constitutions alone. It depended on citizens who could restrain their selfish impulses for the sake of the common good.


To our Founding Fathers, it was obvious, or “self-evident,” that self-government, or a democratic republic, could only be perpetuated by the self-governed. Reflecting these precepts, a contemporary German writer to the Founders, J. W. von Goethe, stated: “What is the best government? — That which teaches us to govern ourselves.”[1] And, a later, prominent 19th Century minister, Henry Ward Beecher, simply said: “There is no liberty to men who know not how to govern themselves.”[2] Self-governance consists of self-regulation of our behavior, ambitions and passions. To this end, the Founders fundamentally believed that the ability to govern ourselves rests with our individual and collective virtue (or moral character).


John Adams stated it this way, “Public virtue cannot exist in a Nation without private Virtue, and public Virtue is the only Foundation of Republics.”[3] In this regard, the revolutionary war was as much a battle against “the corruption of 18th century British high society,”[4] as it was against financial oppression. While the Founders and American colonists were very concerned with their civil liberty and economic freedom, demanding “no taxation without representation,” they were equally concerned with their religious liberty, particularly in preserving their rights of individual conscience and public morality.[5] With respect to the vital need for virtue in order to establish and maintain a republic, the Founders were in complete harmony:

Without Virtue There Can Be No Liberty - John Adams College

By: J. David Gowdy

mountlibertycollege.org

John Adams to Mercy Otis Warren, 16 April 1776



yep

 

[Dante]

The Republicans are the furthest from Adam Smith's free markets principles than they've ever been.

Is this true? Is there not a period of time when they pretended to be free marketeers, when in reality it was all Window Dressing, Potemkin Village shit?

I'm not speaking of individuals and groups within or aligned with the GOP, but the GOP as a whole.

 

[Rambunctious]

So Rambunctious gives a "thumbs down" rep and moves along

 

[Thinker101]

Not sure how that relates to the OP.

try again.

simple:
address the content or

It relates to your use of AI.

 

[Dante]

Republicans are turning themselves into the enemies of republicanism

It relates to your use of AI.

The use of an AI search is not relevant to the content or argument made. Your inability to refute anything in the OP let alone what the AI example is leaves you to be nothing but a lame-assed troll.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

John Adams Warned Us: A Republic Without Virtue Cannot Survive​

America’s obsession with wealth risks hollowing out the foundation of its republic.​

​

Republicans are turning themselves into the enemies of republicanism​

I know some people will ask "republicanism?" So, for simplicity we'll go with an AI definition:


AI Overview:
Republicanism is a political ideology centered on the belief that a state should be governed by the people's elected representatives, not by a monarch or ruling elite.

The core of republicanism is the concept of res publica, the Latin term for "public thing" or "commonwealth," emphasizing that the government and its laws serve the common good of all citizens.

Core principles

• Civic virtue: This involves citizens' active, honest, and selfless participation in public affairs to promote the common good. Early thinkers believed a republic's survival depended on a virtuous citizenry.
• Popular sovereignty: The authority of the government is derived from the consent of the people, who are the ultimate source of all power. All citizens are considered capable of self-rule.
• Rule of law: A republic is an "empire of laws, not of men," where a mixed constitution, checks and balances, and an independent judiciary limit governmental power and protect against tyranny and corruption.
• Freedom from domination: A key aspect of republican liberty is freedom from arbitrary power or the private will of a master. Instead, citizens are subject only to laws established for the common good.
• Rejection of hereditary rule: Republicanism fundamentally opposes monarchy and any form of inherited political power.

Please, take this thread seriously if you care about democracy and republicanism and how they have been strung together in the USA.
Read the AI "thingie" above. How does the GOP or the GOP President's values and words and actions align with that, if at all.

And let us not leave out the American people as a cultural entity, obsessed with wealth.





Being a "Yuge" fan of many of John Adams' ideas, thoughts, writings I have to say I was seriously appalled back in 2016 when the GOP selected djt to be it's standard bearer -- even after the Billy Bush tape and more.

John Adams understood a truth that feels even sharper today: a republic cannot endure without virtue. Writing to Mercy Otis Warren in April 1776, he warned that “public Virtue cannot exist in a Nation without [private virtue], and public Virtue is the only Foundation of Republics.” For Adams, liberty would not be preserved by clever constitutions alone. It depended on citizens who could restrain their selfish impulses for the sake of the common good.



John Adams to Mercy Otis Warren, 16 April 1776

A Muh Democracy loon talking about the Republic is hilarious. The Feds Constitutional mandate is to promote the general welfare not fund it.

The national debt proves the US government has no business funding anything more than what the Constitution allows. The States should decide what is to be provided for the common good.

 

[Rambunctious]

Republicans are turning themselves into the enemies of republicanism

The use of an AI search is not relevant to the content or argument made. Your inability to refute anything in the OP let alone what the AI example is leaves you to be nothing but a lame-assed troll.