CDZ Republicans....3rd Party, or clean out the republican party, and I mean all of them....

[candycorn]

Candycorn you obviously disagree but the question is why? What solution do you suggest that would make America better?

Kind of a broad question.

Third parties are not going to solve anything. The reason we have corruption is because where the constitution is silent, those in power have exploited it. You don't like the President's nominee...don't even give them a hearing. You don't like what the opposing party passed in the other chamber...don't even take up the legislation. You don't like the budget...just pass a continuing resolution.

You put a third party into the mix and they will be ignoring presidential nominees, ignoring legislation, and passing CRs instead of budgets.

So what my remedy is that you pass basic amendments to the Constitution to where every nominee gets a floor vote in the Senate in 90 days. Every bill passed by one house gets a floor vote by the other chamber within 90 days. Budgets are required every year. No matter what. No more CRs.

The politics of wanting to primary your own party because they were not sufficiently loyal to one man is stupid. I hope the GOP continues their trend of excelling in that area.

 

[Donald H]

It's not that third parties are dumb.

It's that voters are too dumb to stop voting for the duopoly.

It's that there's never any choice other than the two parties, because they control the system. But Americans never want to take that to the next logical step and try to find out why. I'll be here when you are ready to fin out.
Or at least I might be if you don't take another ten years

 

[alang1216]

Third Parties are dumb......they never stand a chance...with 75 million voters Trump could clean out the republican party in one election....start over from there.....maybe keep Cruz and a few others...but primary and remove every single republican rather than start a 3rd party.......

Thoughts?

As a Democrat I say if you want to tear the GOP apart like you've torn the country apart, be my guest but be careful what you wish for.

 

[ClaireH]

Third Parties are dumb......they never stand a chance...with 75 million voters Trump could clean out the republican party in one election....start over from there.....maybe keep Cruz and a few others...but primary and remove every single republican rather than start a 3rd party.......

Thoughts?

As a Democrat I say if you want to tear the GOP apart like you've torn the country apart, be my guest but be careful what you wish for.

Do you consider the Democrat Party to be solid in their agenda(s)? By "solid" I mean do you think Democrats are mostly unified on most issues? If so, please explain because I'm missing it completely if that's the case.

What is apparent is that to say "I'm a Democrat" can mean different things. Many self-described leftists will claim they are not Democrats but vote that way because at this time there isn't a party further left. It's relatively still an early phase that's evolving quickly, so it's hard to measure the percentage difference between the Dems who support increased socialistic measures compared to the moderate Dems who enjoy their lives under capitalism. As the generational shift continues, more people on the left will back the socialistic call for free stuff. Once the socialists outnumber the moderates collectively (various differences within the moderate Dems) it will come down to a choice to either go with the flow (far left agenda) or break away completely to support free market-capitalism.

This is just my opinion of course and wanted to know your take. Thanks.

 

[Bryan Luhning]

Candycorn you obviously disagree but the question is why? What solution do you suggest that would make America better?

Kind of a broad question.

Third parties are not going to solve anything. The reason we have corruption is because where the constitution is silent, those in power have exploited it. You don't like the President's nominee...don't even give them a hearing. You don't like what the opposing party passed in the other chamber...don't even take up the legislation. You don't like the budget...just pass a continuing resolution.

You put a third party into the mix and they will be ignoring presidential nominees, ignoring legislation, and passing CRs instead of budgets.

So what my remedy is that you pass basic amendments to the Constitution to where every nominee gets a floor vote in the Senate in 90 days. Every bill passed by one house gets a floor vote by the other chamber within 90 days. Budgets are required every year. No matter what. No more CRs.

The politics of wanting to primary your own party because they were not sufficiently loyal to one man is stupid. I hope the GOP continues their trend of excelling in that area.

In principle I agree with you, those are some great thoughts. I still think both parties need a refresh, it is not because of leadership loyalty it is because of disloyalty to their constituents and too much good old boy bs. I hope we get new blood on both sides of the aisle. We need people who come to serve not to seek a lifetime career. The only way I see that happening is term limits and we both know that is not happening so we the people need to vote career politicians out, hence primarying out the old to make room for the new. I would like to see a budget that can start to lessen the debt as well as be balanced. I would like to see a Congress willing to reach compromise. I would like to see straight bills and nothing as ridiculous as the last omnibus they passed.

 

[Donald H]

The actualization of a valid, 3rd party coming into the two-party system would shake things all up without question.

It's an interesting idea that a third party could break the hold of the establishment but there's no indication of one being able to rise to popularity right now. And the support of the two major parties is solidly established.

The best thing about the current situation is that it's not stagnant. Both sides show at least some indication that they realize the status quo American way needs to be challenged. Staganacy just allows the pain on the working people just continues.

 

[dblack]

The actualization of a valid, 3rd party coming into the two-party system would shake things all up without question.

It's an interesting idea that a third party could break the hold of the establishment but there's no indication of one being able to rise to popularity right now. And the support of the two major parties is solidly established.

The best thing about the current situation is that it's not stagnant. Both sides show at least some indication that they realize the status quo American way needs to be challenged. Staganacy just allows the pain on the working people just continues.

Dominance by two opposed parties is baked into our system. Another party might replace one of the majors, but a third party will never have much of an impact unless we implement significant changes to our electoral process.

 

[dblack]

Third Parties are dumb......they never stand a chance...with 75 million voters Trump could clean out the republican party in one election....start over from there.....maybe keep Cruz and a few others...but primary and remove every single republican rather than start a 3rd party.......

Thoughts?

As a Democrat I say if you want to tear the GOP apart like you've torn the country apart, be my guest but be careful what you wish for.

Single party rule would be the result, and it would get ugly in a hurry.

 

[ClaireH]

The actualization of a valid, 3rd party coming into the two-party system would shake things all up without question.

It's an interesting idea that a third party could break the hold of the establishment but there's no indication of one being able to rise to popularity right now. And the support of the two major parties is solidly established.

The best thing about the current situation is that it's not stagnant. Both sides show at least some indication that they realize the status quo American way needs to be challenged. Staganacy just allows the pain on the working people

Third Parties are dumb......they never stand a chance...with 75 million voters Trump could clean out the republican party in one election....start over from there.....maybe keep Cruz and a few others...but primary and remove every single republican rather than start a 3rd party.......

Thoughts?

As a Democrat I say if you want to tear the GOP apart like you've torn the country apart, be my guest but be careful what you wish for.

Single party rule would be the result, and it would get ugly in a hurry.

i’m having trouble understanding how the creation of a third-party would result into single party rule. I’m on my phone however so maybe I missed something.

 

[Donald H]

i’m having trouble understanding how the creation of a third-party would result into single party rule. I’m on my phone however so maybe I missed something.

[/QUOTE]
Not my idea. I think the quote system has caused some confusion.
My suggestion is more about the situation not returning to stagnancy and that's a good thing. It offers the possibility of the working people coming together against the wealthy establishment's hold on the people.

 

[dblack]

i’m having trouble understanding how the creation of a third-party would result into single party rule. I’m on my phone however so maybe I missed something.

That was my comment. I was referring to the immediate result of splitting one of the major parties. If the GOP splits in two, the Democrats would reap the benefit and enjoy single-party rule. At least until one of the Republican factions once again becomes dominant.

 

[ClaireH]

i’m having trouble understanding how the creation of a third-party would result into single party rule. I’m on my phone however so maybe I missed something.

That was my comment. I was referring to the immediate result of splitting one of the major parties. If the GOP splits in two, the Democrats would reap the benefit and enjoy single-party rule. At least until one of the Republican factions once again becomes dominant.

This Republican concern is understandable, and for many years when I was a registered Republican I thought the same thing. What I'm seeing, and surely not alone, is that the Dems are going to soon face their own split. Those who back free stuff do not include all Democrats, maybe half I'd have to research that one. I see it happening already, do you? Look at how the AOC dialogue is compared to Pelosi, and these two characters are shifty but they represent vast differences, farther apart in end game goals than the various types of conservatives. 19 different types of conservatives | Politic-Ed

Like many of us, my mix of friends are not just from one political party. Friends who are long-time Dems didn't want to vote Biden but did anyway because they are partisans. A move toward free stuff fallacy land they know will bankrupt the country dead on its feet. I don't know how we've been staying afloat for as long as we have, but it's a good thing the US is needed as consumers by our debtors (primarily China). My Dem friends do not want a socialist agenda (the fake free stuff: free college, forgiveness of college loans, Medicare for all) any more than I do...which is el zippo, nada, no thank you we have enough socialistic programs already.

Something to consider: when the Democrat party is overwhelmingly pro-socialist in numbers (generational shift continuing) those Dem moderates will have a choice to make, but the ones I know will not be going with those out in left field. Now, let's think about a party that would tie all moderates together, Dems who do not want fake free stuff, and all 19 types Reps to outweigh the socialists completely. Now, that will work and will represent and reflect the country better imo.

 

[alang1216]

Third Parties are dumb......they never stand a chance...with 75 million voters Trump could clean out the republican party in one election....start over from there.....maybe keep Cruz and a few others...but primary and remove every single republican rather than start a 3rd party.......

Thoughts?

As a Democrat I say if you want to tear the GOP apart like you've torn the country apart, be my guest but be careful what you wish for.

Do you consider the Democrat Party to be solid in their agenda(s)? By "solid" I mean do you think Democrats are mostly unified on most issues? If so, please explain because I'm missing it completely if that's the case.

What is apparent is that to say "I'm a Democrat" can mean different things. Many self-described leftists will claim they are not Democrats but vote that way because at this time there isn't a party further left. It's relatively still an early phase that's evolving quickly, so it's hard to measure the percentage difference between the Dems who support increased socialistic measures compared to the moderate Dems who enjoy their lives under capitalism. As the generational shift continues, more people on the left will back the socialistic call for free stuff. Once the socialists outnumber the moderates collectively (various differences within the moderate Dems) it will come down to a choice to either go with the flow (far left agenda) or break away completely to support free market-capitalism.

This is just my opinion of course and wanted to know your take. Thanks.

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." Will Rogers in 1935. True then, true today.

I don't see it as either or. In this country we have always had public ownership/socialism (e.g., interstate roads) AND private ownership/capitalism (e.g., corporations). I don't see either party trying to do away with either since every healthy nation needs both. That is purely economics, if you're talking about social programs the story is the same. We love our Social Security & Medicare, the 3rd rails of politics. The different parties have different emphasis but that is really just to help people identify their brand.

I'd say we have communism in this country too and we always have. Think about how our military is structured and compare it to the old Soviet Union: central planning, top down command structure, undemocratic, etc.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

After what transpired on January 6th 2021 the better question is how many of those 74 million would still vote for Trump and those that would are the actual number and not the 74 million you are using.

Now with that written my answer is this and to purge the Republican Party of those that disagreed with Trump is Suicide because it will make the GOP a third party and leave the Democrats in complete control.

Trump is not worth killing the GOP party over...

 

[alang1216]

Third Parties are dumb......they never stand a chance...with 75 million voters Trump could clean out the republican party in one election....start over from there.....maybe keep Cruz and a few others...but primary and remove every single republican rather than start a 3rd party.......

Thoughts?

As a Democrat I say if you want to tear the GOP apart like you've torn the country apart, be my guest but be careful what you wish for.

Single party rule would be the result, and it would get ugly in a hurry.

Single party rule will always be ugly. If the GOP reformed as the RINO and Tea Party the RINOs would be very competitive and the Tea Party would join the Libertarians watching in the wings. The Dems could well do the same. I think most Americans are way more moderate than radical.

 

[ClaireH]

Third Parties are dumb......they never stand a chance...with 75 million voters Trump could clean out the republican party in one election....start over from there.....maybe keep Cruz and a few others...but primary and remove every single republican rather than start a 3rd party.......

Thoughts?

As a Democrat I say if you want to tear the GOP apart like you've torn the country apart, be my guest but be careful what you wish for.

Do you consider the Democrat Party to be solid in their agenda(s)? By "solid" I mean do you think Democrats are mostly unified on most issues? If so, please explain because I'm missing it completely if that's the case.

What is apparent is that to say "I'm a Democrat" can mean different things. Many self-described leftists will claim they are not Democrats but vote that way because at this time there isn't a party further left. It's relatively still an early phase that's evolving quickly, so it's hard to measure the percentage difference between the Dems who support increased socialistic measures compared to the moderate Dems who enjoy their lives under capitalism. As the generational shift continues, more people on the left will back the socialistic call for free stuff. Once the socialists outnumber the moderates collectively (various differences within the moderate Dems) it will come down to a choice to either go with the flow (far left agenda) or break away completely to support free market-capitalism.

This is just my opinion of course and wanted to know your take. Thanks.

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." Will Rogers in 1935. True then, true today.

I don't see it as either or. In this country we have always had public ownership/socialism (e.g., interstate roads) AND private ownership/capitalism (e.g., corporations). I don't see either party trying to do away with either since every healthy nation needs both. That is purely economics, if you're talking about social programs the story is the same. We love our Social Security & Medicare, the 3rd rails of politics. The different parties have different emphasis but that is really just to help people identify their brand.

I'd say we have communism in this country too and we always have. Think about how our military is structured and compare it to the old Soviet Union: central planning, top down command structure, undemocratic, etc.

I am thinking I would have liked Will Rogers. A person who doesn't place party over the issues.

 

[ClaireH]

Third Parties are dumb......they never stand a chance...with 75 million voters Trump could clean out the republican party in one election....start over from there.....maybe keep Cruz and a few others...but primary and remove every single republican rather than start a 3rd party.......

Thoughts?

As a Democrat I say if you want to tear the GOP apart like you've torn the country apart, be my guest but be careful what you wish for.

Single party rule would be the result, and it would get ugly in a hurry.

Single party rule will always be ugly. If the GOP reformed as the RINO and Tea Party the RINOs would be very competitive and the Tea Party would join the Libertarians watching in the wings. The Dems could well do the same. I think most Americans are way more moderate than radical.

If you add the moderate Dems and moderate Republicans you wind up with a lot of voters. The true silent majority perhaps.

 

[otto105]

Third Parties are dumb......they never stand a chance...with 75 million voters Trump could clean out the republican party in one election....start over from there.....maybe keep Cruz and a few others...but primary and remove every single republican rather than start a 3rd party.......

Thoughts?

74.1 million voters or 7.1 million voters less than Biden.

 

[Donald H]

Something to consider: when the Democrat party is overwhelmingly pro-socialist in numbers (generational shift continuing) those Dem moderates will have a choice to make, but the ones I know will not be going with those out in left field. Now, let's think about a party that would tie all moderates together, Dems who do not want fake free stuff, and all 19 types Reps to outweigh the socialists completely. Now, that will work and will represent and reflect the country better imo.

Give the 'free stuff' bullshit a rest. the American way of not providing a social safety net for those who fall into hard times isn't working. Your country is getting closer to wreck and ruin and even violent revolution.

What is it about 'AMERCICAN FASCISM IS WRONG' don't you people understand?

 

[d0gbreath]

Third Parties are dumb......they never stand a chance...with 75 million voters Trump could clean out the republican party in one election....start over from there.....maybe keep Cruz and a few others...but primary and remove every single republican rather than start a 3rd party.......

Thoughts?

Hey Man, have fun!