Reparations that I Could Live With

[Meathead]

We should make amends by repatriating what we stole.

That's fair.

since we didnt steal anything your comment is just stupid,,,

Well, kidnapped then. We should return what we kidnapped.

if you kidnapped them then yes return them,,,but neither I nor any person living today did that,,,

So, if I steal money from you and the years go by, I can keep the interest or return on investment on that money?

that doesnt even make sense,,,

no person alive today kidnapped or owned slaves,,,

Oh FFS! Tired of dealing the clueless. I think we should repatriate those whose descendants we stole from Africa.

 

[progressive hunter]

since we didnt steal anything your comment is just stupid,,,

Well, kidnapped then. We should return what we kidnapped.

if you kidnapped them then yes return them,,,but neither I nor any person living today did that,,,

So, if I steal money from you and the years go by, I can keep the interest or return on investment on that money?

that doesnt even make sense,,,

no person alive today kidnapped or owned slaves,,,

Oh FFS! Tired of dealing the clueless. I think we should repatriate those whose descendants we stole from Africa.

"WE" didnt steal anyone from anywhere,,,that happened 200 yrs ago,,and those people are long dead

 

[Borillar]

The time for reparations was 150 years ago, not 7 generations later. Why should someone today get a benefit because of the circumstances of a distant ancestor?

 

[toobfreak]

At the base of things, the argument for Reparations for Slavery is compelling. "We" brought these people here from their homeland, forced them - at the point of a gun - to give their lives in service to Americans (whatever that meant), and gave them nothing in return when they were emancipated, except for the dubious pleasure of living "free," penniless, and hand-to-mouth, in a country that begrudged them their very existence.

God Bless America!

With many conspicuous exceptions, the results have not been pretty.

There was some talk initially of granting the freed slaves, "40 acres and a mule," and that was a good concept - I think there was even enough undeveloped land out "West" to make this a reality - if it had been done in good faith (which wouldn't have happened).

The conundrum of translating "40 acres and a mule" in 1865 into cash today is un-solvable, unworkable, and not economically feasible. Hell, we have Americans today who are descended from both slaves ("enslaved people:" in the PC vernacular) and slave owners. I would venture to say that most "Blacks" in America today have more than a few drops of southern white blood in them.

But "40 acres and a mule" could be compared to a "good education" today. Statistics that are not entirely obsolete indicate that a college grad makes hundreds of thousands more in his lifetime than a non-grad.

So what if "we" offered every descendant of slaves a professional/technical/trade education, free of charge? In essence, "we" would guarantee either a meaningful college education, or education in a technical specialty, or training in a productive trade, to those who demonstrate that they want it.

The taxpayers would be entitled to some reasonable constraints, requirements, and limits. The college education would require that the student be prepared for college, that s/he take a career-path major (no phys ed, ethnic studies, philosophy, etc.), that it be completed in good standing and in four years. If a state school is not reasonably close to where the student lives, room & board would also be included. Similar requirements would exist for technical and trade programs.

Tenth Amendment notwithstanding, this would be a FEDERAL program. The qualifying education would be up to the individual states, with the Feds reimbursing the states for the costs of the qualifying students in Community Colleges and State 4-year colleges.

Obviously, many details would have to be worked out, but I think the concept is the only one that could gain sufficient support on both sides of the aisle. As for the fact that not everyone is cut out for advanced or trade education, there is no reason why almost every FAMILY of Blacks could not benefit from this program, and that would be sufficient.

Before I'd ever consider reparations to people I owe nothing to whom have never had any wrong done to them and have already enjoyed 100 years of guilt-driven repayment, we better first look at reparations to the Native Americans, whom a far far greater shameful wrong has been done to them and continues to this very day.

 

[petro]

I feel no responsibility. Nor would I ever support reparations.
You could write a check today and we will still hear of evil ****** and white privilege for generations to come.
No group should pay benefits based on color, and no group should receive benefits based on color.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

At the base of things, the argument for Reparations for Slavery is compelling. "We" brought these people here from their homeland, forced them - at the point of a gun - to give their lives in service to Americans (whatever that meant), and gave them nothing in return when they were emancipated, except for the dubious pleasure of living "free," penniless, and hand-to-mouth, in a country that begrudged them their very existence.

God Bless America!

With many conspicuous exceptions, the results have not been pretty.

There was some talk initially of granting the freed slaves, "40 acres and a mule," and that was a good concept - I think there was even enough undeveloped land out "West" to make this a reality - if it had been done in good faith (which wouldn't have happened).

The conundrum of translating "40 acres and a mule" in 1865 into cash today is un-solvable, unworkable, and not economically feasible. Hell, we have Americans today who are descended from both slaves ("enslaved people:" in the PC vernacular) and slave owners. I would venture to say that most "Blacks" in America today have more than a few drops of southern white blood in them.

But "40 acres and a mule" could be compared to a "good education" today. Statistics that are not entirely obsolete indicate that a college grad makes hundreds of thousands more in his lifetime than a non-grad.

So what if "we" offered every descendant of slaves a professional/technical/trade education, free of charge? In essence, "we" would guarantee either a meaningful college education, or education in a technical specialty, or training in a productive trade, to those who demonstrate that they want it.

The taxpayers would be entitled to some reasonable constraints, requirements, and limits. The college education would require that the student be prepared for college, that s/he take a career-path major (no phys ed, ethnic studies, philosophy, etc.), that it be completed in good standing and in four years. If a state school is not reasonably close to where the student lives, room & board would also be included. Similar requirements would exist for technical and trade programs.

Tenth Amendment notwithstanding, this would be a FEDERAL program. The qualifying education would be up to the individual states, with the Feds reimbursing the states for the costs of the qualifying students in Community Colleges and State 4-year colleges.

Obviously, many details would have to be worked out, but I think the concept is the only one that could gain sufficient support on both sides of the aisle. As for the fact that not everyone is cut out for advanced or trade education, there is no reason why almost every FAMILY of Blacks could not benefit from this program, and that would be sufficient.

What about financial support to live off of while in school or training? Where would that come from?

We already have a program just like that. It is called military service.

 

[beagle9]

At the base of things, the argument for Reparations for Slavery is compelling. "We" brought these people here from their homeland, forced them - at the point of a gun - to give their lives in service to Americans (whatever that meant), and gave them nothing in return when they were emancipated, except for the dubious pleasure of living "free," penniless, and hand-to-mouth, in a country that begrudged them their very existence.

God Bless America!

With many conspicuous exceptions, the results have not been pretty.

There was some talk initially of granting the freed slaves, "40 acres and a mule," and that was a good concept - I think there was even enough undeveloped land out "West" to make this a reality - if it had been done in good faith (which wouldn't have happened).

The conundrum of translating "40 acres and a mule" in 1865 into cash today is un-solvable, unworkable, and not economically feasible. Hell, we have Americans today who are descended from both slaves ("enslaved people:" in the PC vernacular) and slave owners. I would venture to say that most "Blacks" in America today have more than a few drops of southern white blood in them.

But "40 acres and a mule" could be compared to a "good education" today. Statistics that are not entirely obsolete indicate that a college grad makes hundreds of thousands more in his lifetime than a non-grad.

So what if "we" offered every descendant of slaves a professional/technical/trade education, free of charge? In essence, "we" would guarantee either a meaningful college education, or education in a technical specialty, or training in a productive trade, to those who demonstrate that they want it.

The taxpayers would be entitled to some reasonable constraints, requirements, and limits. The college education would require that the student be prepared for college, that s/he take a career-path major (no phys ed, ethnic studies, philosophy, etc.), that it be completed in good standing and in four years. If a state school is not reasonably close to where the student lives, room & board would also be included. Similar requirements would exist for technical and trade programs.

Tenth Amendment notwithstanding, this would be a FEDERAL program. The qualifying education would be up to the individual states, with the Feds reimbursing the states for the costs of the qualifying students in Community Colleges and State 4-year colleges.

Obviously, many details would have to be worked out, but I think the concept is the only one that could gain sufficient support on both sides of the aisle. As for the fact that not everyone is cut out for advanced or trade education, there is no reason why almost every FAMILY of Blacks could not benefit from this program, and that would be sufficient.

What about financial support to live off of while in school or training? Where would that come from?

Like most, they get part time jobs. How long has that been a tradition in this nation ?? A long time. Ever heard of working to put yourself through school ?? Can't be trying to get women pregnant, and trying to go to school at the same time if a man.... Can't be distracted by getting pregnant instead of finishing school (if that is the goal), if a women

 

[petro]

At the base of things, the argument for Reparations for Slavery is compelling. "We" brought these people here from their homeland, forced them - at the point of a gun - to give their lives in service to Americans (whatever that meant), and gave them nothing in return when they were emancipated, except for the dubious pleasure of living "free," penniless, and hand-to-mouth, in a country that begrudged them their very existence.

God Bless America!

With many conspicuous exceptions, the results have not been pretty.

There was some talk initially of granting the freed slaves, "40 acres and a mule," and that was a good concept - I think there was even enough undeveloped land out "West" to make this a reality - if it had been done in good faith (which wouldn't have happened).

The conundrum of translating "40 acres and a mule" in 1865 into cash today is un-solvable, unworkable, and not economically feasible. Hell, we have Americans today who are descended from both slaves ("enslaved people:" in the PC vernacular) and slave owners. I would venture to say that most "Blacks" in America today have more than a few drops of southern white blood in them.

But "40 acres and a mule" could be compared to a "good education" today. Statistics that are not entirely obsolete indicate that a college grad makes hundreds of thousands more in his lifetime than a non-grad.

So what if "we" offered every descendant of slaves a professional/technical/trade education, free of charge? In essence, "we" would guarantee either a meaningful college education, or education in a technical specialty, or training in a productive trade, to those who demonstrate that they want it.

The taxpayers would be entitled to some reasonable constraints, requirements, and limits. The college education would require that the student be prepared for college, that s/he take a career-path major (no phys ed, ethnic studies, philosophy, etc.), that it be completed in good standing and in four years. If a state school is not reasonably close to where the student lives, room & board would also be included. Similar requirements would exist for technical and trade programs.

Tenth Amendment notwithstanding, this would be a FEDERAL program. The qualifying education would be up to the individual states, with the Feds reimbursing the states for the costs of the qualifying students in Community Colleges and State 4-year colleges.

Obviously, many details would have to be worked out, but I think the concept is the only one that could gain sufficient support on both sides of the aisle. As for the fact that not everyone is cut out for advanced or trade education, there is no reason why almost every FAMILY of Blacks could not benefit from this program, and that would be sufficient.

Before I'd ever consider reparations to people I owe nothing to whom have never had any wrong done to them and have already enjoyed 100 years of guilt-driven repayment, we better first look at reparations to the Native Americans, whom a far far greater shameful wrong has been done to them and continues to this very day.

Some freed slaves known as Buffalo soldiers helped that process along.
Some tribes took it into their own hands and with the Indian Gaming Commission opened casinos where white folks donate willingly with a smile on their face.

Some tribes near the Twin Cities have had wild success, building schools, housing, medical centers for their communities. While a mixed bag of success, they took it upon themselves.
Of course they have sovereignty on their land.
Maybe inner city blacks need limited sovereignty and the ability to open casinos. There would definitely be a demand in this area. The reservations are all about an hour from the metro region.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Like most, they get part time jobs. How long has that been a tradition in this nation ?? A long time. Ever heard of working to put yourself through school ?? Can't be trying to get women pregnant, and trying to go to school at the same time if a man.... Can't be distracted by getting pregnant instead of finishing school (if that is the goal), if a women

I don't know anyone who is able to support themselves with a "part-time" job to pay mortage/rent, monthy expensives, provide for children, etc. Furthermore, our government knows it's not plausible to pay to train or educate someone if they don't have the finanical means to support themselves during the process due to the liklihood that the candidate will be forced to drop out of the program and instead go to work rather than starve or find themselves out on the street.

But more importantly you're approaching this "problem" as if every single African American is in dire need of training or education. And while most people (whites included) could benefit from more education or training, the type of program you're suggesting treats African Americans as wayward children who need some direction in our lives.

Reparations are paid by the government to those individuals whose it's policies, practices, procedures and laws have harmed. The "stuck on stupid" faction who has a lot of representation on this thread, always tries to shutdown the discussion by attempting to start the dialogue during the time of slavery, knowing full well that there are no current survivors of that institution. However as recently as the '50s, 60s and 70s our government was engaged in egregious and heinous behavior conducted against it's own citizens, in some cases based on racial anomosity towards people of color.

My personal opinion of why our government has refused to consider reparations for "people of African descent" who were legislatively delegated to 2nd class citizenry for much of our existence is this country, when it has paid reparations to others, is because of the extent of the damage they inflicted and allowed to be done to an entire race of people. That's not something you can generally come back from. You acknowledge the wrong, if you're sincere, you ask for forgiveness, you make amends and you then you move on. Is it any wonder why we can't make any progress when people can't even admit the wrong that was done or ask for forgiveness let alone attempt to make amends.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

At the base of things, the argument for Reparations for Slavery is compelling. "We" brought these people here from their homeland, forced them - at the point of a gun - to give their lives in service to Americans (whatever that meant), and gave them nothing in return when they were emancipated, except for the dubious pleasure of living "free," penniless, and hand-to-mouth, in a country that begrudged them their very existence.

God Bless America!

With many conspicuous exceptions, the results have not been pretty.

There was some talk initially of granting the freed slaves, "40 acres and a mule," and that was a good concept - I think there was even enough undeveloped land out "West" to make this a reality - if it had been done in good faith (which wouldn't have happened).

The conundrum of translating "40 acres and a mule" in 1865 into cash today is un-solvable, unworkable, and not economically feasible. Hell, we have Americans today who are descended from both slaves ("enslaved people:" in the PC vernacular) and slave owners. I would venture to say that most "Blacks" in America today have more than a few drops of southern white blood in them.

But "40 acres and a mule" could be compared to a "good education" today. Statistics that are not entirely obsolete indicate that a college grad makes hundreds of thousands more in his lifetime than a non-grad.

So what if "we" offered every descendant of slaves a professional/technical/trade education, free of charge? In essence, "we" would guarantee either a meaningful college education, or education in a technical specialty, or training in a productive trade, to those who demonstrate that they want it.

The taxpayers would be entitled to some reasonable constraints, requirements, and limits. The college education would require that the student be prepared for college, that s/he take a career-path major (no phys ed, ethnic studies, philosophy, etc.), that it be completed in good standing and in four years. If a state school is not reasonably close to where the student lives, room & board would also be included. Similar requirements would exist for technical and trade programs.

Tenth Amendment notwithstanding, this would be a FEDERAL program. The qualifying education would be up to the individual states, with the Feds reimbursing the states for the costs of the qualifying students in Community Colleges and State 4-year colleges.

Obviously, many details would have to be worked out, but I think the concept is the only one that could gain sufficient support on both sides of the aisle. As for the fact that not everyone is cut out for advanced or trade education, there is no reason why almost every FAMILY of Blacks could not benefit from this program, and that would be sufficient.

What about financial support to live off of while in school or training? Where would that come from?

We already have a program just like that. It is called military service.

No, that's quid pro quo.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

At the base of things, the argument for Reparations for Slavery is compelling. "We" brought these people here from their homeland, forced them - at the point of a gun - to give their lives in service to Americans (whatever that meant), and gave them nothing in return when they were emancipated, except for the dubious pleasure of living "free," penniless, and hand-to-mouth, in a country that begrudged them their very existence.

God Bless America!

With many conspicuous exceptions, the results have not been pretty.

There was some talk initially of granting the freed slaves, "40 acres and a mule," and that was a good concept - I think there was even enough undeveloped land out "West" to make this a reality - if it had been done in good faith (which wouldn't have happened).

The conundrum of translating "40 acres and a mule" in 1865 into cash today is un-solvable, unworkable, and not economically feasible. Hell, we have Americans today who are descended from both slaves ("enslaved people:" in the PC vernacular) and slave owners. I would venture to say that most "Blacks" in America today have more than a few drops of southern white blood in them.

But "40 acres and a mule" could be compared to a "good education" today. Statistics that are not entirely obsolete indicate that a college grad makes hundreds of thousands more in his lifetime than a non-grad.

So what if "we" offered every descendant of slaves a professional/technical/trade education, free of charge? In essence, "we" would guarantee either a meaningful college education, or education in a technical specialty, or training in a productive trade, to those who demonstrate that they want it.

The taxpayers would be entitled to some reasonable constraints, requirements, and limits. The college education would require that the student be prepared for college, that s/he take a career-path major (no phys ed, ethnic studies, philosophy, etc.), that it be completed in good standing and in four years. If a state school is not reasonably close to where the student lives, room & board would also be included. Similar requirements would exist for technical and trade programs.

Tenth Amendment notwithstanding, this would be a FEDERAL program. The qualifying education would be up to the individual states, with the Feds reimbursing the states for the costs of the qualifying students in Community Colleges and State 4-year colleges.

Obviously, many details would have to be worked out, but I think the concept is the only one that could gain sufficient support on both sides of the aisle. As for the fact that not everyone is cut out for advanced or trade education, there is no reason why almost every FAMILY of Blacks could not benefit from this program, and that would be sufficient.

What about financial support to live off of while in school or training? Where would that come from?

We already have a program just like that. It is called military service.

No, that's quid pro quo.

Typical libtard dumbass response!

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Nope........ I tire of this give away talk... I didn't own slaves, I am not a racist, I was poor, and I went to a majority black school by force when I was young. Bad things happened that should have made me a racist, but I was to smart for that.

If anything I can call for reparations in a law suit against the federal government today for what it put me through when I was young, so this bullcrap of reparations is dead IMHO.

Just make America fair for everyone through a merit based system, and quit babying people for whom want to cheat the system regardless of what race they are. Time to take back the daycare, and quit letting the adult children run it

Anyone tired of the bullcrap yet (?) I know I am.

There's a similar point that I have made.

If a principle is to be established, that one is entitled to reparations based on what was done to one's ancestors, then I think I have a stronger claim than any black descendant of slaves.

My ancestors, about four generations ago, were some of the first Mormons. They were violently driven from one state to another, and finally forced to entirely leave what, at the time, constituted the United States, eventually settling in what is now Utah. They owned land, houses, furniture, and other properties that they were forced to leave behind, and which almost certainly fell into the hands of those responsible for the crimes committed against them.

Surely, somewhere in the eastern parts of the United States, there is land that was rightfully owned by my ancestors. There may even be valuable antiques that were rightfully owned by my ancestors. It is very possible that a proper investigation would reveal the existence of such properties stolen from my ancestors, which should not belong, instead of to the descendants of those who stole them, to me and other descendants of those from whom they were stolen. Of course, if I were to seek reparations for what was done to my ancestors, the crimes there were much greater crimes committed against them than merely the theft of their property, but property represents an objective, tangle value, and would certainly represent a very good starting point in determining the amount of reparations to which their descendants might be entitled.

 

[beagle9]

Like most, they get part time jobs. How long has that been a tradition in this nation ?? A long time. Ever heard of working to put yourself through school ?? Can't be trying to get women pregnant, and trying to go to school at the same time if a man.... Can't be distracted by getting pregnant instead of finishing school (if that is the goal), if a women

I don't know anyone who is able to support themselves with a "part-time" job to pay mortage/rent, monthy expensives, provide for children, etc. Furthermore, our government knows it's not plausible to pay to train or educate someone if they don't have the finanical means to support themselves during the process due to the liklihood that the candidate will be forced to drop out of the program and instead go to work rather than starve or find themselves out on the street.

But more importantly you're approaching this "problem" as if every single African American is in dire need of training or education. And while most people (whites included) could benefit from more education or training, the type of program you're suggesting treats African Americans as wayward children who need some direction in our lives.

Reparations are paid by the government to those individuals whose it's policies, practices, procedures and laws have harmed. The "stuck on stupid" faction who has a lot of representation on this thread, always tries to shutdown the discussion by attempting to start the dialogue during the time of slavery, knowing full well that there are no current survivors of that institution. However as recently as the '50s, 60s and 70s our government was engaged in egregious and heinous behavior conducted against it's own citizens, in some cases based on racial anomosity towards people of color.

My personal opinion of why our government has refused to consider reparations for "people of African descent" who were legislatively delegated to 2nd class citizenry for much of our existence is this country, when it has paid reparations to others, is because of the extent of the damage they inflicted and allowed to be done to an entire race of people. That's not something you can generally come back from. You acknowledge the wrong, if you're sincere, you ask for forgiveness, you make amends and you then you move on. Is it any wonder why we can't make any progress when people can't even admit the wrong that was done or ask for forgiveness let alone attempt to make amends.

The thing you are leaving out is "personal responsibility", and climbing ones way out of a hole no matter how deep it is. The blame game is over, because whites, blacks, and others are being suppressed individually, otherwise if let that happen or upon letting it define one's life in this nation or anywhere else in this world if it is the case.

Not sure what policy you think I support that alledgedly hurts African American's, so you might want to think about who it is you are speaking to on that behalf, because it couldn't have been me.

Like me and the wife discussed, and she agreed, that just because someone is poor doesn't mean that they can't still carry themselves in an honorable way, and can be a peaceful people as each one climbs his or her way out of poverty eventually or better yet if it is earned once they do it. Don't need relapses, but that's exactly what we have been getting for years and years now.

 

[beagle9]

Nope........ I tire of this give away talk... I didn't own slaves, I am not a racist, I was poor, and I went to a majority black school by force when I was young. Bad things happened that should have made me a racist, but I was to smart for that.

If anything I can call for reparations in a law suit against the federal government today for what it put me through when I was young, so this bullcrap of reparations is dead IMHO.

Just make America fair for everyone through a merit based system, and quit babying people for whom want to cheat the system regardless of what race they are. Time to take back the daycare, and quit letting the adult children run it

Anyone tired of the bullcrap yet (?) I know I am.

There's a similar point that I have made.

If a principle is to be established, that one is entitled to reparations based on what was done to one's ancestors, then I think I have a stronger claim than any black descendant of slaves.

My ancestors, about four generations ago, were some of the first Mormons. They were violently driven from one state to another, and finally forced to entirely leave what, at the time, constituted the United States, eventually settling in what is now Utah. They owned land, houses, furniture, and other properties that they were forced to leave behind, and which almost certainly fell into the hands of those responsible for the crimes committed against them.

Surely, somewhere in the eastern parts of the United States, there is land that was rightfully owned by my ancestors. There may even be valuable antiques that were rightfully owned by my ancestors. It is very possible that a proper investigation would reveal the existence of such properties stolen from my ancestors, which should not belong, instead of to the descendants of those who stole them, to me and other descendants of those from whom they were stolen. Of course, if I were to seek reparations for what was done to my ancestors, the crimes there were much greater crimes committed against them than merely the theft of their property, but property represents an objective, tangle value, and would certainly represent a very good starting point in determining the amount of reparations to which their descendants might be entitled.

Ok, so let's say that if the antiques are in the hands of those who are innocent, then do you think that the antiques should be stripped from those innocent without an appeal being brought by them in which explains their innocence in the matter ??

I truly think that if it is found that personal property is found in the hands of anyone not realizing this fact, I bet they would give it back freely knowing it was stolen like that. Now antiques is a whole lot different than land and money in which is handed down for generations upon generations to those in many cases for whom don't have so much as a clue as to where their ancestor got their wealth from. Could have been a hand me down to them just as well, and on and on back it goes muddying the waters terribly in the process. No reparations. Period.

After years of free stuff issued by the government, it's time to work towards one's independence without government assistance or interference.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Ok, so let's say that if the antiques are in the hands of those who are innocent, then do you think that the antiques should be stripped from those innocent without an appeal being brought by them in which explains their innocence in the matter ??

I truly think that if it is found that personal property is found in the hands of anyone not realizing this fact, I bet they would give it back freely knowing it was stolen like that. Now antiques is a whole lot different than land and money in which is handed down for generations upon generations to those in many cases for whom don't have so much as a clue as to where their ancestor got their wealth from. Could have been a hand me down to them just as well, and on and on back it goes muddying the waters terribly in the process. No reparations. Period.

After years of free stuff issued by the government, it's time to work towards one's independence without government assistance or interference.

From whom is the money to come, that is proposed to give to descendants of slaves as reparations? I certainly am Innocent of anything to do with slavery. I've never owned slaves, participated in the slave trade, nor profited in any way therefrom. I'm not aware of any of my distant ancestors having done so, but even if they did, I'm not responsible for what they did many generations ago, and I can certainly say, especially after all that has happened to my more recent ancestors since then, that no profits from slavery ever found their way down the generations to me.

I was talking which, hypothetically may still exist and may be proven to have last been legitimate owned by my ancestors, to have been stolen from them, and may now be in the hands of descendants of the thieves. After a few generations, I don't know that I'd have any legitimate claim to that property, but I certainly have much more basis for such a claim than the descendants of slaves have to any claim that they are entitled to be compensated for what was done to their ancestors, with money taken from those of us who had no part in what was done to their ancestors.

 

[AveryJarhman]

At the base of things, the argument for Reparations for Slavery is compelling. "We" brought these people here from their homeland, forced them - at the point of a gun - to give their lives in service to Americans (whatever that meant), and gave them nothing in return when they were emancipated, except for the dubious pleasure of living "free," penniless, and hand-to-mouth, in a country that begrudged them their very existence.

God Bless America!

With many conspicuous exceptions, the results have not been pretty.

There was some talk initially of granting the freed slaves, "40 acres and a mule," and that was a good concept - I think there was even enough undeveloped land out "West" to make this a reality - if it had been done in good faith (which wouldn't have happened).

The conundrum of translating "40 acres and a mule" in 1865 into cash today is un-solvable, unworkable, and not economically feasible. Hell, we have Americans today who are descended from both slaves ("enslaved people:" in the PC vernacular) and slave owners. I would venture to say that most "Blacks" in America today have more than a few drops of southern white blood in them.

But "40 acres and a mule" could be compared to a "good education" today. Statistics that are not entirely obsolete indicate that a college grad makes hundreds of thousands more in his lifetime than a non-grad.

So what if "we" offered every descendant of slaves a professional/technical/trade education, free of charge? In essence, "we" would guarantee either a meaningful college education, or education in a technical specialty, or training in a productive trade, to those who demonstrate that they want it.

The taxpayers would be entitled to some reasonable constraints, requirements, and limits. The college education would require that the student be prepared for college, that s/he take a career-path major (no phys ed, ethnic studies, philosophy, etc.), that it be completed in good standing and in four years. If a state school is not reasonably close to where the student lives, room & board would also be included. Similar requirements would exist for technical and trade programs.

Tenth Amendment notwithstanding, this would be a FEDERAL program. The qualifying education would be up to the individual states, with the Feds reimbursing the states for the costs of the qualifying students in Community Colleges and State 4-year colleges.

Obviously, many details would have to be worked out, but I think the concept is the only one that could gain sufficient support on both sides of the aisle. As for the fact that not everyone is cut out for advanced or trade education, there is no reason why almost every FAMILY of Blacks could not benefit from this program, and that would be sufficient.

Hello. Specifically, WHO is demanding REPARATIONS?

Is it America's large segregation-minded, LIBERAL-leaning, FEMALE-dominated INTRA-RACIAL DISCRIMINATION & HATE practicing PRO BLACK community that chooses to bully, harass, INTIMIDATE and in some instances threaten violence toward our peaceful, free thinking, responsible black or American friends, neighbors and co-workers of African descent!

A PRO BLACK minded community that has become well practiced at INTIMIDATING white or American citizens of European descent with 24/7 declarations of Racism, White Supremacy and White Nationalism, as well as adept at exploiting "WHITE GUILT" with constant cries of Racism and White Privilege...

...while at the same time harassing, bullying, INTIMIDATING and HATEFULLY denigrating as "C^^NS, Sell-Outs or Traitors," our free-thinking black or American neighbors, friends and co-workers of African descent choosing to peacefully pursue THEIR OWN individual unique vision for L, L, (Love) and Happiness.

Even sadder is witnessing my so-called responsible, apparent 'WHITE GUILT' embracing fellow American citizens sitting SILENT, allowing President and Mrs. Obama's PRO BLACK community's cries of RACISM and 'White Privilege' to influence and intimidate them, just as they INTIMIDATE and chastise our peaceful black American neighbors for acting "TOO WHITE".

Frankly, I'd like to see American people & US Congress offer REPARATIONS to segregation-minded Pro Black American citizens with one stipulation.

They immediately renounce their US citizenship, and find another country to incessantly practice their unnecessary, unhealthy, HATEFUL and ILLOGICAL INTRA-RACIAL DISCRIMINATION.

Once all PRO BLACK minded former-citizens have exited our country, taking with them, their venom, needless drama, paranoia, HATE and apparent untreated emotional illness, I am certain the small population of Americans remaining will begin enjoying a different, more positive American experience, as well as improved emotional and physical health.

YouTube search terms: "mental health illness black community"

My friends, the next time you run into free-thinking, successful, accomplished fellow citizens Justice Clarence Thomas, attorney Larry Elder, Dr. Ben Carson, MD, (Ret) Sheriff David Clarke or (Ret) Lieutenant Colonel Allen West, quietly ask them how they feel about being INTIMIDATED, harassed and denigrated when peacefully pursuing THEIR OWN individual unique vision for L, L, (Love) & Happiness, and for achieving success on their own terms.

The American producing the following recording is totally cool with revealing to the world he is capable of evolving as he matures, gaining REAL LIFE experiences.

"I Used to Hate White People | My #WalkAway Story" Published on Nov 20, 2018 by It's Kyou - 415,803 views


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NSFW VIDEO:

The late emotionally troubled PRO BLACK Ms. Korryn Gaines sharing HATE with her children and police:

Emotionally ill American Mom Sharing HATE With Her Children and Police - Streamable



Peace.

 

[IM2]

At the base of things, the argument for Reparations for Slavery is compelling. "We" brought these people here from their homeland, forced them - at the point of a gun - to give their lives in service to Americans (whatever that meant), and gave them nothing in return when they were emancipated, except for the dubious pleasure of living "free," penniless, and hand-to-mouth, in a country that begrudged them their very existence.

God Bless America!

With many conspicuous exceptions, the results have not been pretty.

There was some talk initially of granting the freed slaves, "40 acres and a mule," and that was a good concept - I think there was even enough undeveloped land out "West" to make this a reality - if it had been done in good faith (which wouldn't have happened).

The conundrum of translating "40 acres and a mule" in 1865 into cash today is un-solvable, unworkable, and not economically feasible. Hell, we have Americans today who are descended from both slaves ("enslaved people:" in the PC vernacular) and slave owners. I would venture to say that most "Blacks" in America today have more than a few drops of southern white blood in them.

But "40 acres and a mule" could be compared to a "good education" today. Statistics that are not entirely obsolete indicate that a college grad makes hundreds of thousands more in his lifetime than a non-grad.

So what if "we" offered every descendant of slaves a professional/technical/trade education, free of charge? In essence, "we" would guarantee either a meaningful college education, or education in a technical specialty, or training in a productive trade, to those who demonstrate that they want it.

The taxpayers would be entitled to some reasonable constraints, requirements, and limits. The college education would require that the student be prepared for college, that s/he take a career-path major (no phys ed, ethnic studies, philosophy, etc.), that it be completed in good standing and in four years. If a state school is not reasonably close to where the student lives, room & board would also be included. Similar requirements would exist for technical and trade programs.

Tenth Amendment notwithstanding, this would be a FEDERAL program. The qualifying education would be up to the individual states, with the Feds reimbursing the states for the costs of the qualifying students in Community Colleges and State 4-year colleges.

Obviously, many details would have to be worked out, but I think the concept is the only one that could gain sufficient support on both sides of the aisle. As for the fact that not everyone is cut out for advanced or trade education, there is no reason why almost every FAMILY of Blacks could not benefit from this program, and that would be sufficient.

No one cares what kind of reparations you can live with.

 

[IM2]

At the base of things, the argument for Reparations for Slavery is compelling. "We" brought these people here from their homeland, forced them - at the point of a gun - to give their lives in service to Americans (whatever that meant), and gave them nothing in return when they were emancipated, except for the dubious pleasure of living "free," penniless, and hand-to-mouth, in a country that begrudged them their very existence.

God Bless America!

With many conspicuous exceptions, the results have not been pretty.

There was some talk initially of granting the freed slaves, "40 acres and a mule," and that was a good concept - I think there was even enough undeveloped land out "West" to make this a reality - if it had been done in good faith (which wouldn't have happened).

The conundrum of translating "40 acres and a mule" in 1865 into cash today is un-solvable, unworkable, and not economically feasible. Hell, we have Americans today who are descended from both slaves ("enslaved people:" in the PC vernacular) and slave owners. I would venture to say that most "Blacks" in America today have more than a few drops of southern white blood in them.

But "40 acres and a mule" could be compared to a "good education" today. Statistics that are not entirely obsolete indicate that a college grad makes hundreds of thousands more in his lifetime than a non-grad.

So what if "we" offered every descendant of slaves a professional/technical/trade education, free of charge? In essence, "we" would guarantee either a meaningful college education, or education in a technical specialty, or training in a productive trade, to those who demonstrate that they want it.

The taxpayers would be entitled to some reasonable constraints, requirements, and limits. The college education would require that the student be prepared for college, that s/he take a career-path major (no phys ed, ethnic studies, philosophy, etc.), that it be completed in good standing and in four years. If a state school is not reasonably close to where the student lives, room & board would also be included. Similar requirements would exist for technical and trade programs.

Tenth Amendment notwithstanding, this would be a FEDERAL program. The qualifying education would be up to the individual states, with the Feds reimbursing the states for the costs of the qualifying students in Community Colleges and State 4-year colleges.

Obviously, many details would have to be worked out, but I think the concept is the only one that could gain sufficient support on both sides of the aisle. As for the fact that not everyone is cut out for advanced or trade education, there is no reason why almost every FAMILY of Blacks could not benefit from this program, and that would be sufficient.

Nope........ I tire of this give away talk... I didn't own slaves, I am not a racist, I was poor, and I went to a majority black school by force when I was young. Bad things happened that should have made me a racist, but I was to smart for that.

If anything I can call for reparations in a law suit against the federal government today for what it put me through when I was young, so this bullcrap of reparations is dead IMHO.

Just make America fair for everyone through a merit based system, and quit babying people for whom want to cheat the system regardless of what race they are. Time to take back the daycare, and quit letting the adult children run it

Anyone tired of the bullcrap yet (?) I know I am.

Whites have been the beneficiaries of all kinds of giveaways since 1776. Americas current wealth is built on slavery. And reparations involve more than slavery. Your argument is full of holes given you pay Native Americans money every year for things you didn't do. You cannot call for reparations for anything. Your argument in opposition, just like the rest of the arguments here In opposition is just plain ignorant, and steeped in racism. If you want to make America fair for everyone, you support reparations. I recognize you're too stupid to understand this, but that's not my problem.

 

[IM2]

"The legacy of slavery has benefited every white person in this country–directly and personally. In a very gross analogy, if you run a series of foot races over 300 years but prevent 13 percent of the participants from learning how to run for 180 years and then give them concrete sneakers for another 80 years–but allow them full access for 40 years, it will take the 13 percent quite a few races to be competitive because the other 87 percent advanced their skills by practice and repetition.

Life is not a foot race, but it is a fact that the average white person would not economically benefit from switching places with an average black person (black households average one-tenth the household wealth of white households). If you believe all people are created equal, there has to be a reason for this–and there is: racism.

The first slaves were brought to this country in the 1600s. After slavery ended in 1865 (the Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves in the North) and until the 1960s, African Americans lived under laws that overtly discriminated against them. In 1960, most African Americans could not vote and had practically no access to higher education. Although the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts (1964 and 1965, respectively) addressed the legal issues, and legislation like the CRA opened banking to red-lined areas, programs to eliminate disparities have proved to not be adequate.

Before somebody e-mails me with the old canard of “Nobody in my family ever owned a slave,” I’d like to retire that excuse with a personal example: Generations ago, my ancestors fled the horrible conditions in their home countries to establish families in the United States. It was never much of a question as to whether or not we could pick wherever we wanted to live, have access to college or get a mortgage. If my family suffered under generations of knowing that those doors were closed, it would take generations more to overcome that lack of family know-how. In essence, my family zipped right past people whose families were here long before mine. I never even questioned that Rutgers would be open to accepting my application, that the Navy would send me to flight school or that McGraw-Hill or Time Warner would hire me–and that when I was there I would be in the vast majority (there were less than 3 percent people of color in both publications I worked for). I never doubted my ability to start a company and had plenty of friends to mentor me along the way.

If you go back to people being created equally, it is just math that a percentage of our country’s greatest minds were eliminated from the competition simply by fact of skin color, and by extension their families were denied the head-start of their accomplishments. Every white person benefits from this–even people who arrived to the United States yesterday.

Unfortunately, this has hurt our country dramatically. If you caught black households up to white household wealth, it would be the equivalent of injecting the entire GDP of Japan into our economy. Who would benefit Mostly white people, as the majority would manufacture the goods and services purchased with the “new” wealth."

How Does Slavery Benefit White People Today?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Whites have been the beneficiaries of all kinds of giveaways since 1776. Americas current wealth is built on slavery. And reparations involve more than slavery. Your argument is full of holes given you pay Native Americans money every year for things you didn't do. You cannot call for reparations for anything. Your argument in opposition, just like the rest of the arguments here In opposition is just plain ignorant, and steeped in racism. If you want to make America fair for everyone, you support reparations. I recognize you're too stupid to understand this, but that's not my problem.

"The legacy of slavery has benefited every white person in this country–directly and personally. In a very gross analogy, if you run a series of foot races over 300 years but prevent 13 percent of the participants from learning how to run for 180 years and then give them concrete sneakers for another 80 years–but allow them full access for 40 years, it will take the 13 percent quite a few races to be competitive because the other 87 percent advanced their skills by practice and repetition.

Life is not a foot race, but it is a fact that the average white person would not economically benefit from switching places with an average black person (black households average one-tenth the household wealth of white households). If you believe all people are created equal, there has to be a reason for this–and there is: racism.

The first slaves were brought to this country in the 1600s. After slavery ended in 1865 (the Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves in the North) and until the 1960s, African Americans lived under laws that overtly discriminated against them. In 1960, most African Americans could not vote and had practically no access to higher education. Although the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts (1964 and 1965, respectively) addressed the legal issues, and legislation like the CRA opened banking to red-lined areas, programs to eliminate disparities have proved to not be adequate.

Before somebody e-mails me with the old canard of “Nobody in my family ever owned a slave,” I’d like to retire that excuse with a personal example: Generations ago, my ancestors fled the horrible conditions in their home countries to establish families in the United States. It was never much of a question as to whether or not we could pick wherever we wanted to live, have access to college or get a mortgage. If my family suffered under generations of knowing that those doors were closed, it would take generations more to overcome that lack of family know-how. In essence, my family zipped right past people whose families were here long before mine. I never even questioned that Rutgers would be open to accepting my application, that the Navy would send me to flight school or that McGraw-Hill or Time Warner would hire me–and that when I was there I would be in the vast majority (there were less than 3 percent people of color in both publications I worked for). I never doubted my ability to start a company and had plenty of friends to mentor me along the way.

If you go back to people being created equally, it is just math that a percentage of our country’s greatest minds were eliminated from the competition simply by fact of skin color, and by extension their families were denied the head-start of their accomplishments. Every white person benefits from this–even people who arrived to the United States yesterday.

Unfortunately, this has hurt our country dramatically. If you caught black households up to white household wealth, it would be the equivalent of injecting the entire GDP of Japan into our economy. Who would benefit Mostly white people, as the majority would manufacture the goods and services purchased with the “new” wealth."

How Does Slavery Benefit White People Today?