red alert?! or no big deal? best send in spies? into IRAN?! again?! risky if you ask me.

Should we send in human spies to Iran after our last batch got hung by the latest Iranian leaders?

  • Yes

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  • No way - if necessary we would eventually take down their nuke weapons program by force

    Votes: 4 100.0%
  • Maybe

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  • Is diplomacy still an option? Is that an option with any of the near-future Iranian backup Generals?

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  • Who will succeed the Ayatollah then? Any hope for a moderate leader over there?

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note the article mentioned at the top-left of the screen please.
i forgot to cut-and-paste the article details in time, sorry.

i'm seeking opinions on the matters discussed in that article.
link : Iran vows to rebuild nuclear sites ‘stronger than before’
 
well, i've taught myself never to watch horror movies (at an early age), then later i realized i did that to avoid myself from having fear triggers installed in my ego, brain (therefore my entire body), and soul(!).
it keeps me 100% fearless in the vast majority of the very peaceful life here in downtown Amsterdam.nl
but i suppose owning a gun and holding superior martial arts skills up to date, is assurance of the same.
even now :-)

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There has a long and very ugly history between The Islamic Republic of Iran and the U.S It was the American CIA that sent Kermit Roosevelt to overthrow the Democratically Elected Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddegh.

Mosaddegh wanted to Nationalize the Oil Production in Iran, he wanted the Iranian People to benefit from Oil that the United States and Great Britain were selling.

Roosevelt engineered the coup that removed Mosaddegh and restored the Shah of Iran to the Peacock Throne. The Shah was brutal and repressive dictator.

The U.S. needs to but the **** out of Iran. All we ever do is bring pain and suffering to the people of that country.
 
There has a long and very ugly history between The Islamic Republic of Iran and the U.S It was the American CIA that sent Kermit Roosevelt to overthrow the Democratically Elected Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddegh.

Mosaddegh wanted to Nationalize the Oil Production in Iran, he wanted the Iranian People to benefit from Oil that the United States and Great Britain were selling.

Roosevelt engineered the coup that removed Mosaddegh and restored the Shah of Iran to the Peacock Throne. The Shah was brutal and repressive dictator.

The U.S. needs to but the **** out of Iran. All we ever do is bring pain and suffering to the people of that country.
Yeah Mossadegh wanted to STEAL the oil infrastructure that western companies had spent BILLIONS of pounds and dollars building. Just like Chavez actually did in Venezuela and Ghaddafi did in Libya. The Shah was actually a pretty enlightened ruler by Middle Eastern standards, and his secret police were far less brutal than the Mullah's secret police are.
 
There has a long and very ugly history between The Islamic Republic of Iran and the U.S It was the American CIA that sent Kermit Roosevelt to overthrow the Democratically Elected Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddegh.

Mosaddegh wanted to Nationalize the Oil Production in Iran, he wanted the Iranian People to benefit from Oil that the United States and Great Britain were selling.

Roosevelt engineered the coup that removed Mosaddegh and restored the Shah of Iran to the Peacock Throne. The Shah was brutal and repressive dictator.

The U.S. needs to but the **** out of Iran. All we ever do is bring pain and suffering to the people of that country.
wrong, they "elected" (somehow got tricked into wanting to be that former Persian Empire -a very localized empire btw- yet again) a religious death cult leader @Khamenei as their supreme military leader + top-most politician. DISASTEROUSLY FRIED MOVE (animal fat), for themselves. See the latest pruning round by @realDonaldTrump. (nicknames at x.com)
 
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wrong, they "elected" (somehow got tricked into wanting to be that former Persian Empire -a very localized empire btw- yet again) a religious death cult leader @Khamenei as their supreme military leader + top-most politician. DISASTEROUSLY FRIED MOVE (animal fat), for themselves. See the latest pruning round by @realDonaldTrump. (nicknames at x.com)

NO Mossadegh was Elected. The Shah was restored by Roosevelt and the CIA.
 
NO Mossadegh was Elected. The Shah was restored by Roosevelt and the CIA.
Well, you hand over your natural resources at a fair price, or we take it from you.
That failed in the case of Iran and you still elect the puppet Prime Minister or whatever you call that role in #Iran approved primarily or even exclusively by that monster @Khamenei.
 
The problem is that democrats would leak the plan to their minions in the media just to make Trump look bad.
 
There has a long and very ugly history between The Islamic Republic of Iran and the U.S It was the American CIA that sent Kermit Roosevelt to overthrow the Democratically Elected Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddegh.

Mosaddegh wanted to Nationalize the Oil Production in Iran, he wanted the Iranian People to benefit from Oil that the United States and Great Britain were selling.

Roosevelt engineered the coup that removed Mosaddegh and restored the Shah of Iran to the Peacock Throne. The Shah was brutal and repressive dictator.

The U.S. needs to but the **** out of Iran. All we ever do is bring pain and suffering to the people of that country.
How outrageous wanting ones own people to benefit from their own resources, what are they thinking?
 
How outrageous wanting ones own people to benefit from their own resources, what are they thinking?
The people of Iran, or at least the government, WAS benefitting from the oil sales. They just wanted ALL the benefits without cutting in the companies that made those profits possible.
 
The people of Iran, or at least the government, WAS benefitting from the oil sales. They just wanted ALL the benefits without cutting in the companies that made those profits possible.
The oil Companies and the Imperialists didn't want them to have any benefits from the oil so they overthrew the Government, nothing has changed since then the Colonialists and Imperialist scum are still at it.
 
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Yeah Mossadegh wanted to STEAL the oil infrastructure that western companies had spent BILLIONS of pounds and dollars building. Just like Chavez actually did in Venezuela and Ghaddafi did in Libya. The Shah was actually a pretty enlightened ruler by Middle Eastern standards, and his secret police were far less brutal than the Mullah's secret police are.

And I always laugh when people try to classify what had happened there as a "Coup".

The leader of Iran before, during and after the era of Mohammed Mosaddegh was always Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.

He was the Prime Minister, not the ruler of the nation. And he was also a contentious leader even at the time, more or less appointed much like Hitler was. He was threatening mob riots if he was not appointed as Prime Minister, even though he was a member of the minority party.

And he was not overthrown in any kind of coup, the Shah always had the power to appoint and dismiss his Prime Minister. And although rare, that has long been the power of monarchs. The last time it was used in the UK for example was in 1834 when King William IV dismissed William Lamb over accusations he was radicalizing the Whig party.

But yes, one of the key reasons why the Shah fired Mohammed Mosaddegh was he was trying to force the Shah to abdicate and nationalize the oil. Unlike Venezuela, he realized that Iran did not have the capability to drill, transport or distil their own oil. And even attempting to nationalize it would have looked great in the short term, but crippled them in the long term as they did not have the capability to replace the Western companies that had actually invested the money and resources.

It would be more or less like the Venezuela communications system today. Hopelessly backwards and outdated, as no company is willing to step up and invest the money required to modernize the system now in place without hard cash up front. Because AT&T and other companies invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the system in the 1980s and 1990s, and never saw that investment paid back.

Oh, somebody may will upgrade them to at least the "Early Broadband" era if infrastructure, but only on a COD arrangement. No more infrastructure to Venezuela under the "install now pay later" agreements.
 
Yeah Mossadegh wanted to STEAL the oil infrastructure that western companies had spent BILLIONS of pounds and dollars building. Just like Chavez actually did in Venezuela and Ghaddafi did in Libya. The Shah was actually a pretty enlightened ruler by Middle Eastern standards, and his secret police were far less brutal than the Mullah's secret police are.
Bollocks! no one elected the Shah he was installed and his SAVAC thugs were killing people on the streets and torturing thousands, the Western Imperialists especially in South and central America have a history of backing unelected Fascist thugs, people don't have revolutions for nothing will you never learn?
 
The oil Companies and the Imperialists didn't want them to have any benefits from the oil so they overthrew the Government, nothing has changed since then the Colonialists and Imperialist scum are still at it.
The government of Iran was getting 16% of the profits from oil sales before Mossadegh was elected. 16% for no expense to effort, just sitting and getting the money from the people who paid for the infrastructure and paid to operate it. Without the Americans and British companies, there would have been no oil to sell and no profits to take 16% of.
 
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