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[ESay]

If he is keeping support of Kievan regime on the same level - Kiev will be defeated pretty soon. If he is slowly increasing its support - eventually we are in the nuclear war.

Basically, there is no meaningful way of increasing support other than a direct involvement of Western armies in this war. This option is off.

Keeping the current level is quite possible, but indeed it will lead to Ukraine's defeat after a while. The only exception is if the Trump administration makes the economic sanctions against Russia really work in full, especially regarding its energy sector. In other words, when the burden of this war will be felt, economically, by all Russian 'society' - from oligarchs to managers like our friend Yurez; and when the Putin regime will be stripped of ways of funding its war machine.

 

[Zavulon]

Basically, there is no meaningful way of increasing support other than a direct involvement of Western armies in this war. This option is off.

Actually, the long range weapons already (but not officially) have been launched by Western military. So, this option is already on. He can, say, send few wings or F-22s with the pilots and tech support personnel with fake Ukrainian citizenship. F-22 are not nuclear delivery sistem, so, it won't be as escalative as F-16s. It may prolonge the agony of Kievan regime, but not for long. Russian fighter pilots will have some experience, Russian Su-57 and their missiles will have some advertising, but it is possible.

Keeping the current level is quite possible, but indeed it will lead to Ukraine's defeat after a while. The only exception is if the Trump administration makes the economic sanctions against Russia really work in full, especially regarding its energy sector. In other words, when the burden of this war will be felt, economically, by all Russian 'society' - from oligarchs to managers like our friend Yurez; and when the Putin regime will be stripped of ways of funding its war machine.

He can't do it without destroying US economy.

 

[ESay]

Actually, the long range weapons already (but not officially) have been launched by Western military. So, this option is already on. He can, say, send few wings or F-22s with the pilots and tech support personnel with fake Ukrainian citizenship. F-22 are not nuclear delivery sistem, so, it won't be as escalative as F-16s. It may prolonge the agony of Kievan regime, but not for long. Russian fighter pilots will have some experience, Russian Su-57 and their missiles will have some advertising, but it is possible

That is nothing.

He can't do it without destroying US economy

On the contrary. It can benefit the US economy.

 

[Zavulon]

That is nothing.

You can think so. But the Russians believe that it is something. A point in which facilitation became a participation.

On the contrary. It can benefit the US economy.

I don't see a way, how exactly it can benefit US economy. But even if it hits the Russian economy really hard, Russian nukes will hit American economy much more seriously.

 

[ESay]

You can think so. But the Russians believe that it is something. A point in which facilitation became a participation

It is meaningless babbling, Yuri.

I don't see a way, how exactly it can benefit US economy. But even if it hits the Russian economy really hard, Russian nukes will hit American economy much more seriously

By selling oil and gas to former Russian customers, obviously.

 

[Zavulon]

It is meaningless babbling, Yuri.

It's not meaningless while it means retaliatiory actions. US attacks against undisputed Russian territory means Russian (also deniable) attacks against US undisputed territory.

By selling oil and gas to former Russian customers, obviously.

If they sell oil and gas cheaper than Russia - they support Chinese and Indian economy. If they sell it at higher prices - they ruin European economy. And if they do actions against Russian fleet - Russia makes actions against US fleet ("shadow pirate fleet" will be even cheaper than "shadow oil transporting fleet"). The price of insurance is jumping sky high and the global oil market is practically destroyed.

 

[ESay]

It's not meaningless while it means retaliatiory actions. US attacks against undisputed Russian territory means Russian (also deniable) attacks against US undisputed territory

According to your logic, the US has already attacked undisputed Russian territory. Where are your retaliatory actions?

If they sell oil and gas cheaper than Russia - they support Chinese and Indian economy. If they sell it at higher prices - they ruin European economy. And if they do actions against Russian fleet - Russia makes actions against US fleet ("shadow pirate fleet" will be even cheaper than "shadow oil transporting fleet"). The price of insurance is jumping sky high and the global oil market is practically destroyed

Or Russian oil will be cut off from the world market. Replaced by other suppliers. In other words, buying or processing it may cause economic disadvantages for the client side.

 

[Zavulon]

According to your logic, the US has already attacked undisputed Russian territory.

Yes.

Where are your retaliatory actions?

Who knows... As I said - the retaliation should be deniable. May be, it's fire in Los-Angeles. May be something else. Who knows? Or, may be, they will be later.

Or Russian oil will be cut off from the world market. Replaced by other suppliers. In other words, buying or processing it may cause economic disadvantages for the client side.

Starting significant economic sanctions against the whole oil-consuming world? Good luck. To make "drill, baby, drill" strategy more or less profitable in America, they need world's oil price on the at least $120/barrel. And now, try to sell it to, say, India, when Russia suggest it at $80/barrel. You need something more than just sanctions or "economic disadvantages" to force them to do it.

 

[ESay]

Who knows... As I said - the retaliation should be deniable. May be, it's fire in Los-Angeles. May be something else. Who knows? Or, may be, they will be later

Or maybe one another bit of meaningless babbling from Yurez.

Starting significant economic sanctions against the whole oil-consuming world? Good luck. To make "drill, baby, drill" strategy more or less profitable in America, they need world's oil price on the at least $120/barrel. And now, try to sell it to, say, India, when Russia suggest it at $80/barrel. You need something more than just sanctions or "economic disadvantages" to force them to do it

Basically I agree here. To make this scheme workable one needs to put there a supplier that can quickly replace Russian volumes at affordable price.

 

[Zavulon]

Or maybe one another bit of meaningless babbling from Yurez.

May be. May be Russian political leaders are peaceful guys who always ready to meekly turn the other cheek. May be pigs have wings, either. But I wouldn't bet any amount of money on it.

Basically I agree here. To make this scheme workable one needs to put there a supplier that can quickly replace Russian volumes at affordable price.

And it is geologically impossible nowadays.

 

[Litwin]

“The horde economy will collapse in 2025”

 

[ESay]

May be. May be Russian political leaders are peaceful guys who always ready to meekly turn the other cheek. May be pigs have wings, either. But I wouldn't bet any amount of money on it

Because Russian political leaders are part of the West. Their real home is there. I already told you that.

And it is geologically impossible nowadays

Venezuela and Iran.

 

[Litwin]

destroying US economy.

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[AntonToo]

Pax Americana and total genocide or Russian people is much, much worse.

??? What genocide of Russian people?

No one touched Russia and had no interest to touch Russia, so what you are posting is just some crazy bs in your head.

Reality is that half a million Russians were killed or wounded as a direct result of Putin's invasion of choice and your ludecrous fantasies are not a counter point to that fact.

 

[AntonToo]

Was it Russia who expanded NATO eastward?

OF COURSE IT WAS.

Baltic countries were wise to remember what Russians did to them last time they were not in a defensive alliance.

Finland and Sweeden were commited to nuetrality untill they saw Russian tanks roll ing to Kiev.

Kremlin's problem with NATO members is not that they are any actual threat (nukes take care of all of that), but that Kremlin has a lot tougher time coercing them with millitary threats and invading them when they are in a defensive alliance.

 

[Zavulon]

Because Russian political leaders are part of the West. Their real home is there. I already told you that.

And I already told you that you are wrong. Even if Russian oligarchs thought themselves as the "Patriots of West" (it is simply not true), they are not going to give up their power and their money just because of their sense of pro-western patriotism. Ok, even true western oligarchs don't do it. And, of course, meekly guys don't become oligarchs in first place.

Venezuela and Iran.

Venezulla's oil is quite "heavy", its difficult to drill it, it needs significant investments to build proper infrastructure. Iran oil fields and transport routes are too vulnerable (and there are too many ways to destabilise the situation in it for any neighbour). And it is if the USA can easily conquer both of them and establish proper peace.

 

[Zavulon]

OF COURSE IT WAS.

Baltic countries were wise to remember what Russians did to them last time they were not in a defensive alliance.

Finland and Sweeden were commited to nuetrality untill they saw Russian tanks roll ing to Kiev.

Kremlin's problem with NATO members is not that they are any actual threat (nukes take care of all of that), but that Kremlin has a lot tougher time coercing them with millitary threats and invading them when they are in a defensive alliance.

No. There are two sides who are responsible for expansion of NATO eastward - those are the USA and Western Europe.

 

[Zavulon]

??? What genocide of Russian people?

The only possible reason for NATO expansion is preparations for attack against Russia and further genocide of Russian people.

No one touched Russia and had no interest to touch Russia, so what you are posting is just some crazy bs in your head.

It is simply not true. Baltic nazies do discriminate Russian people and NATO countries totally support mass-murders of Russians in Ukraine.

Reality is that half a million Russians were killed or wounded as a direct result of Putin's invasion of choice and your ludecrous fantasies are not a counter point to that fact.

Much more will die pretty soon (mostly in western countries) if you guys don't make few steps back.

 

[ESay]

And I already told you that you are wrong. Even if Russian oligarchs thought themselves as the "Patriots of West" (it is simply not true), they are not going to give up their power and their money just because of their sense of pro-western patriotism. Ok, even true western oligarchs don't do it. And, of course, meekly guys don't become oligarchs in first place

Then you didn't get what I wrote you. It is not about their pro-western patriotism. It is all about their money and assets being stocked there.

Venezulla's oil is quite "heavy", its difficult to drill it, it needs significant investments to build proper infrastructure. Iran oil fields and transport routes are too vulnerable (and there are too many ways to destabilise the situation in it for any neighbour). And it is if the USA can easily conquer both of them and establish proper peace

Investments is a good thing for everyone - both to who gets the money and to who gives them.

 

[Zavulon]

Then you didn't get what I wrote you. It is not about their pro-western patriotism. It is all about their money and assets being stocked there.

Not much of them, really. And its all berries, their roots are in Russia. Anyway, even if they betrayed Putin, nobody will return them their money and assets, vice versa, the West will take all other their assets and kill them.

Investments is a good thing for everyone - both to who gets the money and to who gives them.

Investments are good, but even if the USA invest in Venezuela, and want to return their money (with a little interest) the price should be higher than $150/barrel. There is no way to sell it for $40/barrel and have profit.