Reagan's Benghazi

[Dot Com]

Show us the report or whatever that backs up his claim that the truck had to go through a series of barricades. Otherwise just look up any source, military, congressional, news media. They all expose that lie. But the big lie was the one about the Marines firing on the terrorist. Under Reagan's command the Marine sentries and force protection were ordered to carry unloaded weapons. Ronald Reagan sent Marines into an active combat zone with specific orders to not carry loaded weapons. He specifically lied about Marines firing on the truck bomber. The Marines never got off a shot. He attempted to cover up his negligence by claiming otherwise.

As a former US Marine of that era or just before - it was SOP that Marines not have ammo in barracks but when they are at a (guard) duty post - just as if they were and do in combat - they carried loaded weapons and ammo.

I believe it would have been almost a dereliction of duty for the guards to not get off a round if they had time.

Very few military personnel carry loaded weapons but guards and escorts do.

I think there is a misreading of the standing orders that were in effect.

The point is is that it was a dereliction of duty. The Marines were there as Peacekeepers and technically under UN control. The UN, with US approval and acceptance implemented rules of engagement that called for weapons to be carried at level four, no magazines inserted or rounds chambered. Proper security barriers were not installed to give the impression of a non hostile appearance. Heavy weapons that had the ability to stop a truck were not even installed as decorations.

THATS the type of thing that hearings are for.

 

[Camp]

It seems that is what you are doing and you do it quite well. Deflect from the fact you have never been outraged about similar incidents because it doesn't center around this administration.
SO take it as you will. And do your best to try and hide what you are trying to say.

You're deflecting.

Are you not outraged at Obama and his administration lying to you about this incident? A simple yes or no.

No, you dont get it. The topic here is Obama's lie about Benghazi. You want to discuss other incidents, start a thread. This topic is about Obama's lies about Benghazi.

So are you not outraged that the president lied to the American people, for weeks, even though he knew the truth? And he didnt do it for national security or other legitimate reasons but to bolster his own re-election campaign.
Is this not making you angry? Are you not outraged?

When did it become another Obama lied about Benghazi thread? You are so obsessed with that topic you get lost like a demented old man. Look at the name of the thread and the original post. Either it's dementia or you have come to realize you lost your argument and are trying to deflect away from the whole Reagan was a liar debate.

 

[American Horse]

Look up Marine barracks bombing Beirut you dumb ass. Use wikipedia or any other source. They all include the unloaded weapons and lack of barricades. What kind of proof do you want from me? Every history from any half way reliable source about the incident includes that information. You got a problem with the Reagan speech? Think I doctored it? I gave the date and title of the speech. Look it up yourself.

I'll tell the story yet again. The INSTALLATION COMMANDER was responsible for the unloaded weapons. He was following SOP from the State Department. Blame Reagan if you must - he WAS the CIC. But that opens Barry up to shoulder the blame for Benghazi - it's tit for tat. So, if Reagan must posthumously accept blame for Beirut, Why must not Barry do the same?

I was at that very Barracks 3 weeks before the attack on unrelated DOD business. I am very aware of that tragic situation.

The point is that Reagan lied about the barriers and difficulty the terrorist had getting to the barracks when all he did was drive up a driveway, through and open gate that Reagan called a chain link fence (it was a chain link fence, with an open gate), easily ran over some concertina wire and a flimsy booth and directly through the front doors. No shots were ever fired at the bomber the way Reagan told the nation.
Does this have anything to do with Obama? No, absolutely nothing to do with Obama or Benghazi. It just means Reagan fucked up and lied to keep it covered up.

From the New York Times (article by Thomas L. Friedman) reported the day after the attack on October 24, 1983:
[Friedman reported for the New York Times from Beirut, Lebanon from "the beginning of 1982 until June 1984']

BEIRUT, Lebanon, Oct. 23 -- A suicide terrorist driving a truck loaded with TNT blew up an American Marine headquarters at the Beirut airport today, killing at least 161 marines and sailors and wounding 75.

In an almost simultaneous attack, another bomb- laden truck slammed into a French paratroop barracks two miles away.

" - According to Lebanese Civil Defense authorities, at least 27 French paratroopers were killed, 12 were wounded and 53 were reported missing and believed buried in rubble. Official Defense Ministry figures issued in Paris listed 12 French soldiers dead, 13 wounded and 48 missing.
[...]
Although a marine sentry was able to fire about five shots at the suicide driver and another marine threw himself in front of the speeding, explosive- filled truck, neither could block its entry into the headquarters building, where it exploded in a fireball that left a crater 30 feet deep and 40 feet wide.

[...]
According to Major Jordan, the Marine unit took no ''special'' precautions to guard against car-bombs after the embassy bombing, because it was constantly upgrading its security and it was felt that the combination of sandbag checkpoints and steel fence barriers was sufficient to deter any attack.

[...]
A French officer who was standing near the Jnah barracks of the Third Company of the Sixth French Parachute Infantry Regiment at the time said the soldiers in that building ran to the windows to see what was happening after being jarred from their beds by the explosion at the Marine compound.

Less than two minutes later, as they peered from the windows, their own structure was blown out from under them by an almost identical attack. A Lebanese Army explosives expert, Yousef Bitar, said the bomb that demolished the Marine headquarters consisted of roughly 2,600 pounds of TNT, while the charge that destroyed the French base consisted of about 600 pounds of the same explosive. - "

More: U.S. House of Representatives
Committee on Armed Services
Adequacy of U.S. Marine Corps Security in Beirut
Ninety-Eighth Congress, First Session


“ -[...] LINKKILA. From the time that it took me to put, when I initially saw the truck, to put a magazine in my weapon, chamber a round and bring down my rifle, he was just coming to the front of the BLT.

Sergeant Russell stated that he could not have loaded his .45 caliber automatic pistol and fired effectively before the detonation. He further stated that he heard no shots before the explosion.

Three others, however, testified that they heard shots. Excerpts from the testimony follow:

Lance Corporal Robert Calhoun, who was sleeping on the roof, testified:
We didn't ever see the truck. We heard the shots. I at least heard three shots. It sounded to me like it was a .45 caliber pistol and it was close. At that time of the morning, that is what woke me up, was the shots. I started raising up in my sleeping bag and I heard the shots.

Corporal Joseph Martucci, who was also sleeping on the roof, said:
It sounded like it was in front of the building and it definitely sounded like a .45. . . . There was an explosion. We saw the center of the roof actually lift, blow out--it was a type of skyline in the center of the roof. There was a delay between the actual explosion, and the building--the floor-was going down in approximately three or four second. . . . We rode the roof down.

Lance Corporal Burnham Matthews, who had been on patrol with Corporal Farnan and had just returned to his room inside the BLT, said:
I was on the northeast corner, the third story. . . . To me, in the building, it sounded like an M-16, approximately four or maybe more than that. . . . I heard shots. I heard a crash where it came through the building. . .. . There was a man standing next to me and I told him to wake everybody up because it sounded like something was happening on the compound. . . . I said, "There's something going on . Wake everybody up." . . . I never did hear the explosion. I remember my door came off the hinges and I was picked up off the chair and thrown of the window. - "

 

[RandallFlagg]

Look up Marine barracks bombing Beirut you dumb ass. Use wikipedia or any other source. They all include the unloaded weapons and lack of barricades. What kind of proof do you want from me? Every history from any half way reliable source about the incident includes that information. You got a problem with the Reagan speech? Think I doctored it? I gave the date and title of the speech. Look it up yourself.

I'll tell the story yet again. The INSTALLATION COMMANDER was responsible for the unloaded weapons. He was following SOP from the State Department. Blame Reagan if you must - he WAS the CIC. But that opens Barry up to shoulder the blame for Benghazi - it's tit for tat. So, if Reagan must posthumously accept blame for Beirut, Why must not Barry do the same?

I was at that very Barracks 3 weeks before the attack on unrelated DOD business. I am very aware of that tragic situation.

The point is that Reagan lied about the barriers and difficulty the terrorist had getting to the barracks when all he did was drive up a driveway, through and open gate that Reagan called a chain link fence (it was a chain link fence, with an open gate), easily ran over some concertina wire and a flimsy booth and directly through the front doors. No shots were ever fired at the bomber the way Reagan told the nation.
Does this have anything to do with Obama? No, absolutely nothing to do with Obama or Benghazi. It just means Reagan fucked up and lied to keep it covered up.

So you're upset because there were no vehicle barriers there? Vehicle barriers did not come into play until the Oklahoma City bombing. There was (as I recall) a perimeter of about 75 feet with a fortified guard post at the NE drive manned by 2 guards who, at that time were NOT allowed to have magazines loaded. Additionally, there were three teams of roving guards with magazines in their carriers.

Now, explain to me exactly HOW Reagan lied.

I can tell you easily how the thug Obama lied. He was running for re-election and had announced that Al Queada was "decimated". He claimed they were "no longer a threat". When the attack came, Ambassador Stevens had already requested additional security 6 times and was denied each time. There had been two RPG7 attacks on the perimeter wall prior to the attack on Sep 11.

Upon hearing that there was a "Ongoing attack at the Consulate" from the CG Arabia, the White House told the rapid response group to "hold in place" and refused permission for deployment to the area. They then asked both the CIA and the DIA for their assessment. Both agencies responded with an "apparent attack" on the Consulate. The DIAs Second Special Operations Group was a mere 150 miles away and could have responded within 2 hours.

The next morning, the spin started. They blamed some ridiculous video that no one had even seen, for the attack and murder of the four Americans and continued to denounce this "video" - again, that no one had even seen for these "protests".

They knew the truth and lied about it in order to secure Obama's reelection.

I don't know this to be true, but when you consider the then SOS Hillary Clinton and her penchant for being a bald faced liar - it's easy to understand how these events unfolded. She is pure, unadulterated EVIL.

 

[candycorn]

Here you go T. You "stepped in it" again

yabut they were Repubs

Seriously though, Repub foreign policy disasters are magnitues worse than anything 44 has undertaken. Lebanon, Iraq, Central America, etc...

Bosnia, Somalia, Vietnam.
Yeah, tell us all about it.

so Obama was involved in Vietnam. Do tell

He was on the grassy knoll, smoked on the hindenberg, probably caused the floods of the 1830's, and is responsible for our slow adaptation of the metric system.

Didn't you know?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If only we could return to sanity and cut the political witch hunts.

There were more than enough opportunities to lay blame for the horrific losses at high U.S. officials' feet. But unlike today's Congress, congressmen did not talk of impeaching Ronald Reagan, who was then President, nor were any subpoenas sent to cabinet members. This was true even though then, as now, the opposition party controlled the majority in the House. Tip O'Neill, the Democratic Speaker of the House, was no pushover. He, like today's opposition leaders in the House, demanded an investigation -- but a real one, and only one. Instead of playing it for political points, a House committee undertook a serious investigation into what went wrong at the barracks in Beirut. Two months later, it issued a report finding "very serious errors in judgment" by officers on the ground, as well as responsibility up through the military chain of command, and called for better security measures against terrorism in U.S. government installations throughout the world.

In other words, Congress actually undertook a useful investigation and made helpful recommendations. The report's findings, by the way, were bipartisan. (The Pentagon, too, launched an investigation, issuing a report that was widely accepted by both parties.)

There was an even bigger difference, Reagan didn't blame the bombing on a video.

 

[The Rabbi]

Here you go T. You "stepped in it" again

yabut they were Repubs

Seriously though, Repub foreign policy disasters are magnitues worse than anything 44 has undertaken. Lebanon, Iraq, Central America, etc...

Bosnia, Somalia, Vietnam.
Yeah, tell us all about it.

so Obama was involved in Vietnam. Do tell

He wasnt involved in any of them. But Democrats were.
Do try to keep up. It's tiresome trying to tutor you.

 

[Stephanie]

I wonder if they'll post CLINTON Benghazi?

lets see, first world trade center bombing, Oklahoma city bombing, and those are just the one's on AMERCIAN SOIL...

The left is so childish and in need of coving the mans (their leader Obama's) ass

 

[Dot Com]

Rabbi back pedaling is funny. I SPECIFICALLY compared OBAMA to innumerable Repub foreign foray ****-ups to illustrate how abysmally bad Repubs are (they're in weapons contractor's pockets ) and he says "yabut vietnam"

There's a reason people see him as the resident top flight rw hack.

 

[bedowin62]

Rabbi back pedaling is funny. I SPECIFICALLY compared OBAMA to innumerable Repub foreign foray ****-ups to illustrate how abysmally bad Repubs are (they're in weapons contractor's pockets ) and he says "yabut vietnam"

There's a reason people see him as the resident top flight rw hack.

YAWN
ranting bout the dead Republican that used to be a Democrat wont make obama not a failure you loser.

at the end of the day even Reagan's strongest foes recognized and respected him for his fierce defense of America

the people who run the countries Reagan opposed now think obama is a joke

true story

 

[The Rabbi]

Rabbi back pedaling is funny. I SPECIFICALLY compared OBAMA to innumerable Repub foreign foray ****-ups to illustrate how abysmally bad Repubs are (they're in weapons contractor's pockets ) and he says "yabut vietnam"

There's a reason people see him as the resident top flight rw hack.

If you're going to compare things, you compare like things. If you compare GOP foreign policy issues, you compare them to Democrat foreign policy issues.
Unless you're a lying scum sucking partisan uber hack. Oh wait, you are.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Reagan did not spend the weeks following the Beirut bombing lying about what caused it.

Fail.

What did Obama lie about again? I keep asking and no one has answered yet

the video cause it. if you believe that, your a ******* tard.

Where is the evidence the video did not cause the attack? Was someone interrogated?

 

[The Rabbi]

What did Obama lie about again? I keep asking and no one has answered yet

the video cause it. if you believe that, your a ******* tard.

Where is the evidence the video did not cause the attack? Was someone interrogated?

The fact that 3 people in Libya had seen it, fuckwad.
The facts aren't in dispute here, despite Democrat denials. It was an orchestrated terrorist attack by al Qaeda that the administration then lied about to bolster it's re-election chances.
The only relevant question is why the Left is not outraged by this.

 

[RandallFlagg]

What did Obama lie about again? I keep asking and no one has answered yet

the video cause it. if you believe that, your a ******* tard.

Where is the evidence the video did not cause the attack? Was someone interrogated?

Where are the "suspects" that did the attack? I'm sure that "Big Bad Barry" could have found them by now, aren't you?

Guess that, in reality, he isn't looking very hard now, is he? It would be terrible if we actually found out from "the horses mouth" that it was a planned attack..........

 

[Yurt]

Yes, actually, both Reagan and Bush did lie.

Where were you when Clinton bungled the Black hawk mission in Mogadishu? Hmm? That was in 1993. Didn't hear anyone on the left demanding an investigation then.

Sonny boy gets caught and, as usual, changes the subject.

If you want to discuss President Clinton, start a new thread but have the balls (lol) to admit you got nuthin.

Well, nothing except that cool little cardboard sword.

If you should want to upgrade to wood, check here-

Wooden Templar Sword - ZS-926807 by Dark Knight Armoury

Beware however ... That's not a suitable toy for a child who still lives with his granny.

lmao...so you can discuss bush, not thread topic, but someone else can't discuss clinton

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, you are talking out your ass, not me. Anybody can google ' Marines unloaded weapons Beirut' and stumble on pages and pages or source after source about the lies Reagan told about the barricades and firing on the terrorist. It was big news at the time. He got caught.

Anyone can, but oddly you can't seem to manage it, Comrade...

Funny dat.

 

[Uncensored2008]

He did, however, cut n' run....giving OBL a lesson for the future.

Does it hurt to be that ******* stupid?

 

[Wyld Kard]

Obama and his loyal Kool-Aid drinking, shit-for-brains, ass-kissing libtard supporters have blamed Bush numerous times for numerous things and now its Reagan's turn.

Obama is always looking to pass the blame off on someone else of why things don't work out or why something is fucked-up because he refuses to accept any responsibility for his own actions and decisions, and his loyal supporters will proudly stand by and make excuses for him, because to them Obama is never at fault for anything.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Obama and his loyal Kool-Aid drinking, shit-for-brains, ass-kissing libtard supporters have blamed Bush numerous times for numerous things and now its Reagan's turn.

Obama is always looking to pass the blame off on someone else of why things don't work out or why something is fucked-up because he refuses to accept any responsibility for his own actions and decisions, and his loyal supporters will proudly stand by and make excuses for him, because to them Obama is never at fault for anything.

And I'll bet you a dollar to a donut that, if these Nazis would be truthful, their "excuse" would be - "Well, Obama is a black man - we MUST give him the benefit of the doubt because he's been oppressed"

So, in order to "level the playing field" they constantly revert back to Bush, Reagan and even Nixon in order to "Give the Brother a break".

 

[Dot Com]

Obama and his loyal Kool-Aid drinking, shit-for-brains, ass-kissing libtard supporters have blamed Bush numerous times for numerous things and now its Reagan's turn.

Obama is always looking to pass the blame off on someone else of why things don't work out or why something is fucked-up because he refuses to accept any responsibility for his own actions and decisions, and his loyal supporters will proudly stand by and make excuses for him, because to them Obama is never at fault for anything.

And I'll bet you a dollar to a donut that, if these Nazis would be truthful, their "excuse" would be - "Well, Obama is a black man - we MUST give him the benefit of the doubt because he's been oppressed"

So, in order to "level the playing field" they constantly revert back to Bush, Reagan and even Nixon in order to "Give the Brother a break".

And our Godwin's Law winner of the day is Randy

Seriously, your people's agenda is in plain as day. You deify the Gipper when, in fact, his ACTUAL foreign policy was stunningly average AT BEST.