"well-established" as in proven. In 1996, all there were, were allegations. Not too different than the allegations being made against Herman Cain. i.e., unproven and potentially false. The same way I give Cain the benenfit of the doubt amid allegations of sexual abuse which appear to me to be nothing more than character assasination during an election season, I did for Clinton as well. Allegations like that are made all the time. Sometimes they're true, sometimes they're not.
Wow, you have a crappy memory. He denied it, and Gennifer Flowers turned out to have him on tape. How much more "proven" would you like? Seems Mr. Clinton has a bad habit of leaving behind incriminating evidence. Not too bright for a lawyer.
Call me when Mr. Cain's accusers turn up with tapes . . . or a stained dress.
Why would I? I said the claims against Cain are nothing more than unproven allegations.
Because you seem to have such a fuzzy idea of what "unproven allegations" actually are, as demonstrated by your laughable belief that Clinton during his first campaign is comparable to Mr. Cain now. Therefore, if you wish to equate them, then I invite you to do so by showing me the same proof against Cain that existed - and was ignored, or forgotten, by you - concerning Clinton during his campaign.
I just love having to draw you dimwits pictures. I'm going to need a new box of crayons at this rate.
I have not said anything that has not been reported.
Oh, REPORTED. Well, if you can find someone who'll say it in print, then that's settled, isn't it? A report is as good as a conviction.
He cheated on both of his first two wives and left them both while they were sick. He discussed the terms of his divorce with his first wife while she was in the hospital. Newt did not deny that; he denied media reports that he brought divorce papers for her to sign.
Why is it that when I ask for proof from you droolers, every damned one of you comes back with a repetition, as though your word for it is suddenly going to become gospel carved in stone by the finger of God NOW, when it wasn't worth jack shit to me the FIRST time you said it?
Here's a little tip: If I'm asking you for proof, that means I wouldn't believe you if you told me the sky was blue. I'd go outside and check. (Nothing personal. I don't take much of anyone's word for anything.) So if all you're going to do is say it again, don't even waste my time. It just makes me that much more sure that nothing you say is worth the time it takes to type it.
When you're ready to pull on your big-boy Underoos and SHOW me Newt admitting that he went to the hospital to discuss the divorce "while his wife lay in her sickbed" - I can only imagine that you have your wrist dramatically pressed to your forehead, Gothic novel-style, when you type this - feel free to revisit it. Until then, two unsubstantiated assertions = bullshit.
Well he hasn't denied it. Saying he doesn't remember isn't a denial. The daughter never denied it either, all she did was say, "Dad took my sister and me to the hospital to see our mother."
Can your hairsplitting be any more pathetic?
And coward? Project much? You're assuming a whole bunch of shit we don't know about his relationships with his wives. We weren't there, and we have no idea what happened, but you're just assuming, and I think we both know it's because you want to attack him, and you don't have anything better.
Anyone who dumps their wife while they are sick is a coward and Newt's done it twice.
I don't HAVE to forgive him, Sparkles. I wasn't married to him. I don't even know the guy. Despite the soap-opera mentality this nation has acquired somewhere, and no matter what Oprah tells you, it's not my place to run around forgiving people for things they didn't do to me. Grow up.
If "many conservatives" are that shallow and juvenile, then this country is doomed, and it really doesn't matter who gets elected, because the population's going to be too stupid and sheeplike to do what needs to be done to fix it, anyway.
Obviously, you're in the group that doesn't care about character when voting for president. Not every Conservative shares your lack of standards.
Obviously, what you know about judging character wouldn't fill an egg cup. Your so-called standards shift with the wind, depending on who you're applying them to, so I'd suggest you hold onto your lofty moral judgements until you're talking to someone stupid enough to award you the authority you sure as hell haven't earned.
Let me know when you have something more than "His ex-wife said bad things about him twenty years ago." I'm betting you have some people in YOUR life from twenty years ago who think you were a piece of shit, then, so should I decide you're a piece of shit NOW based solely on their opinions? Is THAT you're idea of "character" and "standards"?
) I continue to maintain that anyone who is focusing on personal drivel like that during a national crisis deserves to live in a country that falls apart around them. I'm a woman, and I frankly don't give a shit about his marital problems 15 years or more ago. I'm not looking to date him.
