Rate the presidents from FDR to Obama first . . .

[gipper]

Vietnam was the result of American neo-imperialism. Eisenhower picked up the flag when the French failed, passed it on to JFK, who passed it on to LBJ, then to Nixon. No one was willing to walk away. They all, including Ford, had served in WWII. I don't think they could emotionally walk away.

JFK did not pass it to LBJ dummy. He was murdered. Remember?...and clearly he intended to pull the troops, once he was re-elected, but the powers that be couldn't let that happen.

The murder in no way relieves JFK from passing the burden on to LBJ. That's what the burden of the vice presidency entails when the burden of the previous president is passed on to the new president. JFK had increased the troop strength in Vietnam to 13,000. And in no way did he indicate JFK indicate he was going to scale down the commitment. That is your burden to carry, gipper.

There is a myth that JFK would not have escalated Vietnam

But JFK would have had the same intelligence, the same advice on how easy victory would be, the same Cold War Domino theory pressures not to let a country turn commie

I think he would have blundered just like LBJ and it would have destroyed his legacy in his second term

Wrong. You clearly are informed on the subject...but than we all know this applies to most every thing discussed on this forum.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Vietnam was the result of American neo-imperialism. Eisenhower picked up the flag when the French failed, passed it on to JFK, who passed it on to LBJ, then to Nixon. No one was willing to walk away. They all, including Ford, had served in WWII. I don't think they could emotionally walk away.

JFK did not pass it to LBJ dummy. He was murdered. Remember?...and clearly he intended to pull the troops, once he was re-elected, but the powers that be couldn't let that happen.

The murder in no way relieves JFK from passing the burden on to LBJ. That's what the burden of the vice presidency entails when the burden of the previous president is passed on to the new president. JFK had increased the troop strength in Vietnam to 13,000. And in no way did he indicate JFK indicate he was going to scale down the commitment. That is your burden to carry, gipper.

Jake please...think for once.

JFK inherited Nam from Ike. He realized it was time to bug out and intended to do just that. Had he not been murdered in a coup, he would have done it and 50k+ American boys and untold number of Vietnamese would not have died unnecessarily. He was murdered so he can't be held responsible dip shit.

No, he had not intended to do anything, He had increased troop numbers by ten times. No indication exists that he was going to scale down. Sorry, little bub, but there it is.

 

[rightwinger]

Vietnam was the result of American neo-imperialism. Eisenhower picked up the flag when the French failed, passed it on to JFK, who passed it on to LBJ, then to Nixon. No one was willing to walk away. They all, including Ford, had served in WWII. I don't think they could emotionally walk away.

JFK did not pass it to LBJ dummy. He was murdered. Remember?...and clearly he intended to pull the troops, once he was re-elected, but the powers that be couldn't let that happen.

The murder in no way relieves JFK from passing the burden on to LBJ. That's what the burden of the vice presidency entails when the burden of the previous president is passed on to the new president. JFK had increased the troop strength in Vietnam to 13,000. And in no way did he indicate JFK indicate he was going to scale down the commitment. That is your burden to carry, gipper.

There is a myth that JFK would not have escalated Vietnam

But JFK would have had the same intelligence, the same advice on how easy victory would be, the same Cold War Domino theory pressures not to let a country turn commie

I think he would have blundered just like LBJ and it would have destroyed his legacy in his second term

Wrong. You clearly are informed on the subject...but than we all know this applies to most every thing discussed on this forum.

JFK had McNamara as his key advisor......he would have made the same call as LBJ

 

[gipper]

Vietnam was the result of American neo-imperialism. Eisenhower picked up the flag when the French failed, passed it on to JFK, who passed it on to LBJ, then to Nixon. No one was willing to walk away. They all, including Ford, had served in WWII. I don't think they could emotionally walk away.

JFK did not pass it to LBJ dummy. He was murdered. Remember?...and clearly he intended to pull the troops, once he was re-elected, but the powers that be couldn't let that happen.

The murder in no way relieves JFK from passing the burden on to LBJ. That's what the burden of the vice presidency entails when the burden of the previous president is passed on to the new president. JFK had increased the troop strength in Vietnam to 13,000. And in no way did he indicate JFK indicate he was going to scale down the commitment. That is your burden to carry, gipper.

Jake please...think for once.

JFK inherited Nam from Ike. He realized it was time to bug out and intended to do just that. Had he not been murdered in a coup, he would have done it and 50k+ American boys and untold number of Vietnamese would not have died unnecessarily. He was murdered so he can't be held responsible dip shit.

No, he had not intended to do anything, He had increased troop numbers by ten times. No indication exists that he was going to scale down. Sorry, little bub, but there it is.

Wrong again.

If you bothered to research the times, you would know that is BS. He had plans to pull all the troops in 1965, which is one of reasons he was murdered.

 

[gipper]

Vietnam was the result of American neo-imperialism. Eisenhower picked up the flag when the French failed, passed it on to JFK, who passed it on to LBJ, then to Nixon. No one was willing to walk away. They all, including Ford, had served in WWII. I don't think they could emotionally walk away.

JFK did not pass it to LBJ dummy. He was murdered. Remember?...and clearly he intended to pull the troops, once he was re-elected, but the powers that be couldn't let that happen.

The murder in no way relieves JFK from passing the burden on to LBJ. That's what the burden of the vice presidency entails when the burden of the previous president is passed on to the new president. JFK had increased the troop strength in Vietnam to 13,000. And in no way did he indicate JFK indicate he was going to scale down the commitment. That is your burden to carry, gipper.

There is a myth that JFK would not have escalated Vietnam

But JFK would have had the same intelligence, the same advice on how easy victory would be, the same Cold War Domino theory pressures not to let a country turn commie

I think he would have blundered just like LBJ and it would have destroyed his legacy in his second term

Wrong. You clearly are informed on the subject...but than we all know this applies to most every thing discussed on this forum.

JFK had McNamara as his key advisor......he would have made the same call as LBJ

Silly dude. McNamara was not the POTUS.

Funny how you two sick lovers of the D party, shit on JFK.

 

[initforme]

Jfk great. Reagan on bottom of list. Although i ask what my country can do for me. Lol

 

[rightwinger]

JFK did not pass it to LBJ dummy. He was murdered. Remember?...and clearly he intended to pull the troops, once he was re-elected, but the powers that be couldn't let that happen.

The murder in no way relieves JFK from passing the burden on to LBJ. That's what the burden of the vice presidency entails when the burden of the previous president is passed on to the new president. JFK had increased the troop strength in Vietnam to 13,000. And in no way did he indicate JFK indicate he was going to scale down the commitment. That is your burden to carry, gipper.

There is a myth that JFK would not have escalated Vietnam

But JFK would have had the same intelligence, the same advice on how easy victory would be, the same Cold War Domino theory pressures not to let a country turn commie

I think he would have blundered just like LBJ and it would have destroyed his legacy in his second term

Wrong. You clearly are informed on the subject...but than we all know this applies to most every thing discussed on this forum.

JFK had McNamara as his key advisor......he would have made the same call as LBJ

Silly dude. McNamara was not the POTUS.

Funny how you two sick lovers of the D party, shit on JFK.

McNamara was considered the military genius of the era. Kennedy trusted him even more than LBJ did

What makes you think JFK would have ignored his advice ?

 

[gipper]

The murder in no way relieves JFK from passing the burden on to LBJ. That's what the burden of the vice presidency entails when the burden of the previous president is passed on to the new president. JFK had increased the troop strength in Vietnam to 13,000. And in no way did he indicate JFK indicate he was going to scale down the commitment. That is your burden to carry, gipper.

There is a myth that JFK would not have escalated Vietnam

But JFK would have had the same intelligence, the same advice on how easy victory would be, the same Cold War Domino theory pressures not to let a country turn commie

I think he would have blundered just like LBJ and it would have destroyed his legacy in his second term

Wrong. You clearly are informed on the subject...but than we all know this applies to most every thing discussed on this forum.

JFK had McNamara as his key advisor......he would have made the same call as LBJ

Silly dude. McNamara was not the POTUS.

Funny how you two sick lovers of the D party, shit on JFK.

McNamara was considered the military genius of the era. Kennedy trusted him even more than LBJ did

What makes you think JFK would have ignored his advice ?

You don't know what the F**K you are posting...as usual.

JFK made it clear to many, that he planned to bug out of Nam after the election. He was covertly speaking with Kruschev to end the Cold War, he was covertly speaking with Castro to improve relations with Cuba, his American University speech on peace and liberty just a few months before dark forces murdered him is considered by some as one of the greatest speeches of all time...he spoke of seeking peace at all costs and avoiding war....which is why he was murdered....and now you leftists want a crazed Neocon in Hillary to take the White House.

Before posting try to know the topic.

 

[rightwinger]

There is a myth that JFK would not have escalated Vietnam

But JFK would have had the same intelligence, the same advice on how easy victory would be, the same Cold War Domino theory pressures not to let a country turn commie

I think he would have blundered just like LBJ and it would have destroyed his legacy in his second term

Wrong. You clearly are informed on the subject...but than we all know this applies to most every thing discussed on this forum.

JFK had McNamara as his key advisor......he would have made the same call as LBJ

Silly dude. McNamara was not the POTUS.

Funny how you two sick lovers of the D party, shit on JFK.

McNamara was considered the military genius of the era. Kennedy trusted him even more than LBJ did

What makes you think JFK would have ignored his advice ?

You don't know what the F**K you are posting...as usual.

JFK made it clear to many, that he planned to bug out of Nam after the election. He was covertly speaking with Kruschev to end the Cold War, he was covertly speaking with Castro to improve relations with Cuba, his American University speech on peace and liberty just a few months before dark forces murdered him is considered by some as one of the greatest speeches of all time...he spoke of seeking peace at all costs and avoiding war....which is why he was murdered....and now you leftists want a crazed Neocon in Hillary to take the White House.

Before posting try to know the topic.

It is all part of the JFK mythology.....that he was too smart to get tied up in Vietnam

With McNamara as his Sec Defense had would have followed the same path as LBJ.......non combat advisors, a few combat troops, more combat troops and we will be home by Christmas.......trust me, this is the last troops we will need
Domino theory JFK......you don't want to appear weak

 

[gipper]

Wrong. You clearly are informed on the subject...but than we all know this applies to most every thing discussed on this forum.

JFK had McNamara as his key advisor......he would have made the same call as LBJ

Silly dude. McNamara was not the POTUS.

Funny how you two sick lovers of the D party, shit on JFK.

McNamara was considered the military genius of the era. Kennedy trusted him even more than LBJ did

What makes you think JFK would have ignored his advice ?

You don't know what the F**K you are posting...as usual.

JFK made it clear to many, that he planned to bug out of Nam after the election. He was covertly speaking with Kruschev to end the Cold War, he was covertly speaking with Castro to improve relations with Cuba, his American University speech on peace and liberty just a few months before dark forces murdered him is considered by some as one of the greatest speeches of all time...he spoke of seeking peace at all costs and avoiding war....which is why he was murdered....and now you leftists want a crazed Neocon in Hillary to take the White House.

Before posting try to know the topic.

It is all part of the JFK mythology.....that he was too smart to get tied up in Vietnam

With McNamara as his Sec Defense had would have followed the same path as LBJ.......non combat advisors, a few combat troops, more combat troops and we will be home by Christmas.......trust me, this is the last troops we will need
Domino theory JFK......you don't want to appear weak

wrong....you are not informed and have bought the statist lies about JFK.

 

[rightwinger]

JFK had McNamara as his key advisor......he would have made the same call as LBJ

Silly dude. McNamara was not the POTUS.

Funny how you two sick lovers of the D party, shit on JFK.

McNamara was considered the military genius of the era. Kennedy trusted him even more than LBJ did

What makes you think JFK would have ignored his advice ?

You don't know what the F**K you are posting...as usual.

JFK made it clear to many, that he planned to bug out of Nam after the election. He was covertly speaking with Kruschev to end the Cold War, he was covertly speaking with Castro to improve relations with Cuba, his American University speech on peace and liberty just a few months before dark forces murdered him is considered by some as one of the greatest speeches of all time...he spoke of seeking peace at all costs and avoiding war....which is why he was murdered....and now you leftists want a crazed Neocon in Hillary to take the White House.

Before posting try to know the topic.

It is all part of the JFK mythology.....that he was too smart to get tied up in Vietnam

With McNamara as his Sec Defense had would have followed the same path as LBJ.......non combat advisors, a few combat troops, more combat troops and we will be home by Christmas.......trust me, this is the last troops we will need
Domino theory JFK......you don't want to appear weak

wrong....you are not informed and have bought the statist lies about JFK.

JFKs 1963 was not the same as LBJs 1965
He would have fallen for the same trap.
Any Cold War president would have


.

 

[gipper]

Silly dude. McNamara was not the POTUS.

Funny how you two sick lovers of the D party, shit on JFK.

McNamara was considered the military genius of the era. Kennedy trusted him even more than LBJ did

What makes you think JFK would have ignored his advice ?

You don't know what the F**K you are posting...as usual.

JFK made it clear to many, that he planned to bug out of Nam after the election. He was covertly speaking with Kruschev to end the Cold War, he was covertly speaking with Castro to improve relations with Cuba, his American University speech on peace and liberty just a few months before dark forces murdered him is considered by some as one of the greatest speeches of all time...he spoke of seeking peace at all costs and avoiding war....which is why he was murdered....and now you leftists want a crazed Neocon in Hillary to take the White House.

Before posting try to know the topic.

It is all part of the JFK mythology.....that he was too smart to get tied up in Vietnam

With McNamara as his Sec Defense had would have followed the same path as LBJ.......non combat advisors, a few combat troops, more combat troops and we will be home by Christmas.......trust me, this is the last troops we will need
Domino theory JFK......you don't want to appear weak

wrong....you are not informed and have bought the statist lies about JFK.

JFKs 1963 was not the same as LBJs 1965
He would have fallen for the same trap.
Any Cold War president would have

That is the statist lie that is promoted by statists....that JFK would do just like the Butcher of Vietnam. I don't buy it....if he would have, why did they murder him?

Think man...THINK!!!!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Vietnam was the result of American neo-imperialism. Eisenhower picked up the flag when the French failed, passed it on to JFK, who passed it on to LBJ, then to Nixon. No one was willing to walk away. They all, including Ford, had served in WWII. I don't think they could emotionally walk away.

JFK did not pass it to LBJ dummy. He was murdered. Remember?...and clearly he intended to pull the troops, once he was re-elected, but the powers that be couldn't let that happen.

The murder in no way relieves JFK from passing the burden on to LBJ. That's what the burden of the vice presidency entails when the burden of the previous president is passed on to the new president. JFK had increased the troop strength in Vietnam to 13,000. And in no way did he indicate JFK indicate he was going to scale down the commitment. That is your burden to carry, gipper.

Jake please...think for once.

JFK inherited Nam from Ike. He realized it was time to bug out and intended to do just that. Had he not been murdered in a coup, he would have done it and 50k+ American boys and untold number of Vietnamese would not have died unnecessarily. He was murdered so he can't be held responsible dip shit.

No, he had not intended to do anything, He had increased troop numbers by ten times. No indication exists that he was going to scale down. Sorry, little bub, but there it is.

Wrong again.

If you bothered to research the times, you would know that is BS. He had plans to pull all the troops in 1965, which is one of reasons he was murdered.

No, he did not have any such plans, which are only in your head.

JFK was a big government statist neo-con who was increasing troops strengths in Vietnam until he died.

 

[JakeStarkey]

McNamara was considered the military genius of the era. Kennedy trusted him even more than LBJ did

What makes you think JFK would have ignored his advice ?

You don't know what the F**K you are posting...as usual.

JFK made it clear to many, that he planned to bug out of Nam after the election. He was covertly speaking with Kruschev to end the Cold War, he was covertly speaking with Castro to improve relations with Cuba, his American University speech on peace and liberty just a few months before dark forces murdered him is considered by some as one of the greatest speeches of all time...he spoke of seeking peace at all costs and avoiding war....which is why he was murdered....and now you leftists want a crazed Neocon in Hillary to take the White House.

Before posting try to know the topic.

It is all part of the JFK mythology.....that he was too smart to get tied up in Vietnam

With McNamara as his Sec Defense had would have followed the same path as LBJ.......non combat advisors, a few combat troops, more combat troops and we will be home by Christmas.......trust me, this is the last troops we will need
Domino theory JFK......you don't want to appear weak

wrong....you are not informed and have bought the statist lies about JFK.

JFKs 1963 was not the same as LBJs 1965
He would have fallen for the same trap.
Any Cold War president would have

That is the statist lie that is promoted by statists....that JFK would do just like the Butcher of Vietnam. I don't buy it....if he would have, why did they murder him? Think man...THINK!!!!

Follow your own advice, because no one gives a crap what you don't buy. You have nothing to offer.

 

[rightwinger]

McNamara was considered the military genius of the era. Kennedy trusted him even more than LBJ did

What makes you think JFK would have ignored his advice ?

You don't know what the F**K you are posting...as usual.

JFK made it clear to many, that he planned to bug out of Nam after the election. He was covertly speaking with Kruschev to end the Cold War, he was covertly speaking with Castro to improve relations with Cuba, his American University speech on peace and liberty just a few months before dark forces murdered him is considered by some as one of the greatest speeches of all time...he spoke of seeking peace at all costs and avoiding war....which is why he was murdered....and now you leftists want a crazed Neocon in Hillary to take the White House.

Before posting try to know the topic.

It is all part of the JFK mythology.....that he was too smart to get tied up in Vietnam

With McNamara as his Sec Defense had would have followed the same path as LBJ.......non combat advisors, a few combat troops, more combat troops and we will be home by Christmas.......trust me, this is the last troops we will need
Domino theory JFK......you don't want to appear weak

wrong....you are not informed and have bought the statist lies about JFK.

JFKs 1963 was not the same as LBJs 1965
He would have fallen for the same trap.
Any Cold War president would have

That is the statist lie that is promoted by statists....that JFK would do just like the Butcher of Vietnam. I don't buy it....if he would have, why did they murder him?

Think man...THINK!!!!

Think McFly....THINK

 

[pwjohn]

The New Deal and Great Society/Civil Rights programs are the reasons, I think, the FDR comes in 2nd and LBJ 1st.

LBJ was savaged by the press during his time in office. Even more so than Bush 43

 

[gipper]

You don't know what the F**K you are posting...as usual.

JFK made it clear to many, that he planned to bug out of Nam after the election. He was covertly speaking with Kruschev to end the Cold War, he was covertly speaking with Castro to improve relations with Cuba, his American University speech on peace and liberty just a few months before dark forces murdered him is considered by some as one of the greatest speeches of all time...he spoke of seeking peace at all costs and avoiding war....which is why he was murdered....and now you leftists want a crazed Neocon in Hillary to take the White House.

Before posting try to know the topic.

It is all part of the JFK mythology.....that he was too smart to get tied up in Vietnam

With McNamara as his Sec Defense had would have followed the same path as LBJ.......non combat advisors, a few combat troops, more combat troops and we will be home by Christmas.......trust me, this is the last troops we will need
Domino theory JFK......you don't want to appear weak

wrong....you are not informed and have bought the statist lies about JFK.

JFKs 1963 was not the same as LBJs 1965
He would have fallen for the same trap.
Any Cold War president would have

That is the statist lie that is promoted by statists....that JFK would do just like the Butcher of Vietnam. I don't buy it....if he would have, why did they murder him? Think man...THINK!!!!

Follow your own advice, because no one gives a crap what you don't buy. You have nothing to offer.

You don't know what the F**K you are posting...as usual.

JFK made it clear to many, that he planned to bug out of Nam after the election. He was covertly speaking with Kruschev to end the Cold War, he was covertly speaking with Castro to improve relations with Cuba, his American University speech on peace and liberty just a few months before dark forces murdered him is considered by some as one of the greatest speeches of all time...he spoke of seeking peace at all costs and avoiding war....which is why he was murdered....and now you leftists want a crazed Neocon in Hillary to take the White House.

Before posting try to know the topic.

It is all part of the JFK mythology.....that he was too smart to get tied up in Vietnam

With McNamara as his Sec Defense had would have followed the same path as LBJ.......non combat advisors, a few combat troops, more combat troops and we will be home by Christmas.......trust me, this is the last troops we will need
Domino theory JFK......you don't want to appear weak

wrong....you are not informed and have bought the statist lies about JFK.

JFKs 1963 was not the same as LBJs 1965
He would have fallen for the same trap.
Any Cold War president would have

That is the statist lie that is promoted by statists....that JFK would do just like the Butcher of Vietnam. I don't buy it....if he would have, why did they murder him?

Think man...THINK!!!!

Think McFly....THINK

I should know by now not to expect much from you two doofuses.

Listen to this speech and tell me this is a man willing to get 50k+ Americans killed in Nam.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are guilty of present-ism, gipper, and have no idea at all about this.

Think: DDE, JFK, LBJ, RMN, GRF all served in WWII, and not one of them would have walked away if they had been in office in 1963 and 64 and 65. There is nothing to indicate it.

You can post evidence if you have it, but the speech ain't that.

 

[gipper]

You are guilty of present-ism, gipper, and have no idea at all about this.

Think: DDE, JFK, LBJ, RMN, GRF all served in WWII, and not one of them would have walked away if they had been in office in 1963 and 64 and 65. There is nothing to indicate it.

You can post evidence if you have it, but the speech ain't that.

JFK was talking to the USSR to end the Cold War. He had developed a good relationship with Khrushchev, but due to the times, had to do this covertly, but the CIA and JCS knew about it...I know you did not know this. He was also talking to Cuba about improving relations with them. I know you did not know this. He had told several advisers he wanted out of Nam, but feared political backlash if he did it before the '64 elections. He wanted to terminate the CIA, you didn't know that either. All this and more lead to his death by those who WANTED war...just like they want Hillary today, the leading Neocon, who will get us in another big war if not WWIII.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are guilty of present-ism, gipper, and have no idea at all about this.

Think: DDE, JFK, LBJ, RMN, GRF all served in WWII, and not one of them would have walked away if they had been in office in 1963 and 64 and 65. There is nothing to indicate it.

You can post evidence if you have it, but the speech ain't that.

JFK was talking to the USSR to end the Cold War. He had developed a good relationship with Khrushchev, but due to the times, had to do this covertly, but the CIA and JCS knew about it...I know you did not know this. He was also talking to Cuba about improving relations with them. I know you did not know this. He had told several advisers he wanted out of Nam, but feared political backlash if he did it before the '64 elections. He wanted to terminate the CIA, you didn't know that either. All this and more lead to his death by those who WANTED war...just like they want Hillary today, the leading Neocon, who will get us in another big war if not WWIII.

You are a millennial fool who is reading revisionist history.

We nearly went to war with the USSR.

JFK invaded Cuba!

He did not want to withdraw from Vietnam.

He did not want to end the CIA: he wanted to end the Dulles allies' hold on the CIA.

You did not know any of this.

You and CrusaderFrank should set up the Revisionist Club and invite Eddie Baiamonte as your guest lecturer.