Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

[Sonny Clark]

How can we have the heart to allow them to starve?

You think it would be better to dump your money into other people's retirement, and be the one starving when you get old?

I have no choice when it comes to how the government spends my money. You don't have a choice either. Once you pay your taxes, they decide how to spend it.

 

[ScienceRocks]

How can we have the heart to allow them to starve?

You think it would be better to dump your money into other people's retirement, and be the one starving when you get old?

I have no choice when it comes to how the government spends my money. You don't have a choice either. Once you pay your taxes, they decide how to spend it.

This is why we need to vote for a government that is accountable and spends money on our country. Most importantly, with the accountability part of this that it spends wisely.

 

[Sonny Clark]

How can we have the heart to allow them to starve?

You think it would be better to dump your money into other people's retirement, and be the one starving when you get old?

I have no choice when it comes to how the government spends my money. You don't have a choice either. Once you pay your taxes, they decide how to spend it.

This is why we need to vote for a government that is accountable and spends money on our country. Most importantly, with the accountability part of this that it spends wisely.

What we need to do is to STOP electing and re-electing professional politicians to run this once great nation. We've all seen and experienced what they do, and have done for over 50 plus years. But, voters continue to put them into office, and expecting a different result each time. Go figure.

 

[SwimExpert]

Let them starve. That is the plan of the Baby Boomers for today's work force.

I agree that most of the plutocrats that are currently calling the shots in the USA are of an age to be called "Baby Boomers". However, I am a baby boomer but not a plutocrat, and I take me some umbrage with being lumped in with the pitiful performance of the baby boomer plutocrat politician. I didn't cause any pain or suffering for the masses.

I saved that for myself.

So you agree with eliminating Social Security and allowing the current working generations to keep their money for their own retirement and savings?

 

[SwimExpert]

Many children don't have parents, and many parents are not able to care for the children.

That has nothing to do with Social Security.

 

[SwimExpert]

How can we have the heart to allow them to starve?

You think it would be better to dump your money into other people's retirement, and be the one starving when you get old?

I have no choice when it comes to how the government spends my money. You don't have a choice either. Once you pay your taxes, they decide how to spend it.

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[SwimExpert]

Most people wouldn't know how to do what you're suggesting. SSI is the best method as people work, don't give a damn about saving, but still want to end up with a retirement...Well, this way we don't end up with over 1/3rd of our population living on the streets. That would be far worse!

People don't know how to save money? Seriously, that's your response? Should the government send an agent by your house and wipe your ass for you too?

 

[sealybobo]

Raise taxes on the rich, tax college savings, raise gasoline taxes, and cut social programs? Or, cut the enormous waste that we all know should be cut? Or, should we do a combination of both? If your answer is to cut waste, what are the most obvious areas of waste that you would cut? If your answer is to raise taxes, what taxes would you increase? Or, what new taxes would you add? If your answer is to raise taxes, where would you use the new revenue? If your answer is to cut waste, where would you use the savings?

Raise taxes on the rich and corporations. Don't tax college savings. Don't raise gas taxes. Don't raise the sales tax. Don't cut social programs but do cut government waste. There is a lot of it in the Pentagon and a ton of wasteful pork. Conservatives just never go after the true waste/fraud. Instead they go after social programs that help poor people.

And don't you dare cry that cutting Pentagon contracts will cost people jobs because that's socialism. Haloburton's only customer is the US tax payer. The goal should be to stop fighting wars so Haloburton is forced to downsize or go out of business. In ww2 car companies started making war products. After the war they stopped and they went back to making cars again. Perpetual war, perpetual profit. War mongers. War profiteers. Tax/Tariff companies that want to do business in the US but aren't HQ'd in the US. Some American will start a competitor in America and run them out of business and that will create jobs.

If you are going to have 10 million illegals in this country, get them legal so we can start collecting taxes from them.

And look into where all that lottery money goes.

Cut every Senator and Congressman's pay by 25% immediately! Austerity right?

 

[SwimExpert]

How can we have the heart to allow them to starve?

You think it would be better to dump your money into other people's retirement, and be the one starving when you get old?

Yes, BECAUSE the libertarian FANTASY worked sooooo well pre SS.

What is that even supposed to mean? Are you trying to suggest that Libertarians believe in a civic duty to starve during their retirement so that the Baby Boomers can live comfortably?

I think you better sit this one out, until your medicine starts working again.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Many children don't have parents, and many parents are not able to care for the children.

That has nothing to do with Social Security.

It's all Social Security. It all comes from taxes ear marked for the welfare of those not able to support themselves, provide health care for themselves, buy food for themselves, or put a roof over their heads. It comes in different forms, such as aid for dependent children, supplemental income, housing allowance, food stamps, etc. etc. etc. It's all Social Security, just ear marked for different things.

 

[Sonny Clark]

How can we have the heart to allow them to starve?

You think it would be better to dump your money into other people's retirement, and be the one starving when you get old?

I have no choice when it comes to how the government spends my money. You don't have a choice either. Once you pay your taxes, they decide how to spend it.

That doesn't answer my question.

I don't mind paying into the system that helps those less fortunate. If I'm starving when I get old ( I'm 67 now ), then something has gone terribly wrong with the system that I paid into for over 40 years. If what I have paid in helps others, I have no problem with it. If they retire with some od the money that I've paid into the system, then so be it. I have no control over that. I don't write the checks, and I'm not asked for my approval when it comes to spending the money that I have paid into the system. Once it was deducted from my pay checks, I lost control and say-so over it. I had rather see it go towards helping others, than to see it spent on senseless deadly costly wars, building mosques on foreign soil, supplying weapons to drug lords and terrorists, or for the care and support of illegal immigrants.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You paid in but if you live long at all, most of what you get back will be OPM. SS isn't a savings account, it's a Pay as you Go...

 

[Sonny Clark]

You paid in but if you live long at all, most of what you get back will be OPM. SS isn't a savings account, it's a Pay as you Go...

I fully understand how the system works. But thanks for the info anyway.

 

[Dad2three]

How can we have the heart to allow them to starve?

You think it would be better to dump your money into other people's retirement, and be the one starving when you get old?

Yes, BECAUSE the libertarian FANTASY worked sooooo well pre SS.

What is that even supposed to mean? Are you trying to suggest that Libertarians believe in a civic duty to starve during their retirement so that the Baby Boomers can live comfortably?

I think you better sit this one out, until your medicine starts working again.

Got it ANOTHER libertarian who can't be honest

ONE state (small will work) or nation to EVER use your bullshit philosophy? EVER? lol

 

[SwimExpert]

How can we have the heart to allow them to starve?

You think it would be better to dump your money into other people's retirement, and be the one starving when you get old?

Yes, BECAUSE the libertarian FANTASY worked sooooo well pre SS.

What is that even supposed to mean? Are you trying to suggest that Libertarians believe in a civic duty to starve during their retirement so that the Baby Boomers can live comfortably?

I think you better sit this one out, until your medicine starts working again.

Got it ANOTHER libertarian who can't be honest

ONE state (small will work) or nation to EVER use your bullshit philosophy? EVER? lol

Do you even know what you're talking about? It seems to me that you're just ranting, just for the sake of ranting.

 

[Flash]

MAYBE 3RD TIMES A CHARM???


Yes, I acknowledge YOU completely ignored the FREE MARKETS subprime meltdown that Dubya/GOP cheered on in their WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE AND BUST. Again

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...and you completely ignored the fact that the filthy ass Democrats started this mess with Jimmy Carter using the government to put pressure on lenders to give money to shitheads that had neither the means nor the inclination to ever pay back the money. You know, for social justice reasons.

It was anything but a free market you moron and it almost ruined our economy.

 

[Flash]

FYI - I do NOT support a welfare state, never have, and never will. I support self-supporting opportunities for everyone, no exceptions. But, I do support helping those in need. Also, thanks for answering my question, much appreciated. It took a long time, but you finally answered it instead of dodging it. So, you support and agree with doing "Nothing" for those that are "cut off" from some form of assistance. You're entitled to that stance, and you're entitled to express it.

My prayer is that you will never ever need the assistance that you so strong believe shouldn't exist. I hope your life is one of prosperity, and that you forever gloat in your ability to adequately care for yourself, without the need for any form of assistance. I also hope that your children, if you have any, prosper as well as you have, and never need any assistance. Count your many blessings, be thankful every day that you were given the opportunities that allowed you to live independent of help.

It's very hard and difficult for me stomach the fact that you would do absolutely nothing for those less fortunate than yourself. It greatly disappoints me that such people exist among our society. Actually, I feel sorry for you. It must be terrible to live without a heart and sympathy for those less fortunate. Thanks for your time. I have enjoyed our conversation. It's been educational for me, and I appreciate it. Best of wishes for you and your family, and may the sun always shine on all of you.

If you don't support a welfare state then you need to change the way you post and address the subject because you sure as hell have been promoting it on this thread.

I have said (several times) that I also support those that are really in need. I give quit a bit a to charity and I asked you to match me on one of my trips to the grocery store to provide food for the needy in my county but you passed on that. I don't think the great majority of the tens of millions that are getting welfare from the government now are in need. I even posted a video showing you a few of them, which you have failed to even acknowledge.

I am quite capable of providing for my own welfare thank you very much. I won't be needing the government to take your money and be giving it to me. I won't even vote for anybody that runs on platform to do that.

Government welfare is not real charity. That is a sham. Real charity comes from the heart, church or family not a filthy government bureaucrat, elected by special interest groups to transfer money from those that earned it to those that didn't. I feel sorry for you that you don't understand that.

I think your heart is in the right place but you are simply confused about the subject. You are not alone, many other Americans also have a convoluted understanding of this monstrosity of a welfare system we have in this country.

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WTF?

If your point is that this country has become a welfare state then I agree.

If you point is that it should be a welfare state than I disagree.

If your point is to bash Republicans without taking responsibility for the great damage also done by the Democrats then you are being a sorry ass partisan piece of shit.

 

[Flash]

Most people wouldn't know how to do what you're suggesting. SSI is the best method as people work, don't give a damn about saving, but still want to end up with a retirement...Well, this way we don't end up with over 1/3rd of our population living on the streets. That would be far worse!

People don't know how to save money? Seriously, that's your response? Should the government send an agent by your house and wipe your ass for you too?

These Libtards want to spend their money while they work (if they work) on pot and Colt 45 Malt Liquor and then when they retire and have no money they want the government to steal money from other people and give it to them so they can live comfortably. That is what the Libtards mean when they speak of social justice.

 

[initforme]

We live in a system where hard working middle class people cannot afford to retire even if they work 100 hours per week and save every last dime. Something isn't working at all. Big business has it made in a shade at the expense of the little guy. The truth hurts.. The fog machine says otherwise. Liars they are. Dangers to this nation as well.

 

[Flopper]

Waste = all government transfer payments to include welfare, bailouts, subsidies and entitlements.

Let cut that shit out before raising any taxes. In fact if we cut that shit out we could lower taxes, which is always a good thing.

Welfare is a necessity, a dire necessity. I totally agree with you on bailouts and subsidies. What "entitlements" are you talking about? Remember, "the people" pay into Social Security, some pay for a half century, others die way before ever collecting a single penny. Social Security is NOT funded by the government. Social Security is funded by employees and employers, and NOT by the government. So, again, what "entitlements" are you speaking of?

I don't know where you came up with this idea that welfare is a necessity. Sounds like something a socialist would declare.

The government should not ever be in the business of taking money from a person that earned it and giving to someone that didn't earn it.

The government should also not be in the business of running a mandated retirement system. That should be the responsibility of the individual.

Social Security has a lot of shit tacked on to it like disability and that makes a welfare program.

Social Security is not worth the 15% percent of most wages that the incompetent government charges an individual and his employer for the stupid pension. Besides, it is an entitlement monster Ponzi scheme with a future liability of 56 trillion dollars.

Welfare is very much a necessity. EXAMPLES: The elderly that can not care for themselves. Children that can not care for themselves. The disabled that can not care for themselves. War veterans. The handicapped. The poor. The needy. ---- What are we suppose to do with those people? Are we to allow them to starve? Are we to allow them to die because they have no health care insurance? Are we to allow women and children to live on the streets eating out of dumpsters and trash cans?

Are you saying that we should ignore all who can't be self-supporting? What do we do with them? What's the alternative to welfare and government assistance programs?

Of course welfare is a a necessity as well as a number of other social programs. Welfare funding is the cost we pay for a stable society. History has shown us time and again that people that lack food, shelter, and whatever is considered a necessity turn to crime, rioting, and rebellion. Contrary to conservative thinking, removing financial support from the poor does not turn them into productive employees.