Rachel Maddow has this theory...........

[surada]

WTF….Cool word….but ”nativism” has always lied at the very core of America and American values. All soverign nations practice nativism. Nativism like nationalism is a positive thing for a nation.
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WTF….did Trump write his very own immigration policy? Did he create his very own personal type of citizenship like DACA or something?

WTF….did Trump work with media and social media to silent and oppress opposing views?

Minorities ARE responsible for MOST of our societal ills. Why do you fragile/emotional folks deny known facts? Why would you have disdain for a POTUS who gives it to you straight?

“Sloganeering“ gets the point across quickly and concisely. Why do you prefer word games and a bunch of bullshit rhetoric? To soften the blow of harsh realities?
REAL problem solvers simplify all things while those who solve nothing pretend everything is complex and requires “nuanced policy”. Fuck that!

Nationalism is always perverse and destructive..... usually populist.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Exactly. They crave a strongman to "lead" them. They want to follow. So much for rugged individualism.

Instead, they've latched on to a flamboyant, hypersenstive New York City "billionaire" metrosexual who sports a Flock of Seagulls haircut and wears more makeup than his wife.

Go figure.

The embodiment of a 'Real Man' to magaturds.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

well now you've gone past the point of civil debate and you just want to insult.

It's a legitimately verifiable statement.

 

[sartre play]

ITS THE HATE.
ATTACK ATTACK, NO ONE IS SAFE. WIFES CHILDERN
USING THE LOWEST DENOMATORS VILE SEXUAL LIES.

 

[surada]

post the source.

AND...if that were legitimate...that would have been hanmered on by the media...even now...and it isn't. Why do you think that is.

German-American Bund | Nazi Party, History, & Madison Square Garden Rally | Britannica

The German-American Bund was an American pro-Nazi, quasi-military organization that was most active in the years immediately preceding the United States’ entry into World War II. The organization received covert guidance and financial support from the government of the Third Reich.

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German-American Bund, American pro-Nazi, quasi-military organization that was most active in the years immediately preceding the United States’ entry into World War II. The Bund’s members were mostly American citizens of German ancestry. The organization received covert guidance and financial support from the German government. Military drill and related activities were provided for adults and youths at Bund-maintained camps: Camp Siegfried, Yaphank, N.Y.; Camp Nordland, Andover, N.J.; Deutschhorst Country Club, Sellersville, Pa.; and elsewhere.


Anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi elements in the United States generally supported the Bund. The Bund included self-designated storm troopers, who affected the uniforms of the German Nazi SA. Mass rallies were held at such sites as Madison Square Garden in New York City. In 1939 the Bund’s total membership was about 20,000.

In 1939 the Bund’s national leader, Fritz Julius Kuhn, was prosecuted for grand larceny (misappropriating Bund money) and forgery; in 1940 its national secretary, James Wheeler-Hill, was convicted of perjury. After the United States’ entry into World War II, the Bund disintegrated.

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Nazi Party, political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism. Under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, the party came to power in Germany in 1933 and governed by totalitarian methods until 1945. Anti-Semitism was fundamental to the party’s ideology and led to the Holocaust, the systematic, state-sponsored killing of six million Jews and millions of others.

The Nazi Party was founded as the German Workers’ Party by Anton Drexler, a Munich locksmith, in 1919. Hitler attended one of its meetings that year, and before long his energy and oratorical skills would enable him to take over the party, which was renamed National Socialist German Workers’ Party in 1920. That year Hitler also formulated a 25-point program that became the permanent basis for the party. The program called for German abandonment of the Treaty of Versailles and for the expansion of German territory. These appeals for national aggrandizement were accompanied by a strident anti-Semitic rhetoric. The party’s socialist orientation was basically a demagogic gambit designed to attract support from the working class. By 1921 Hitler had ousted the party’s other leaders and taken over.

Nazi paramilitary troops participating in the Beer Hall Putsch, November 9, 1923.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

.......that I thought would be interesting to discuss. Boiled down to its essence it is that Trump is not the essential element animating Trumpery. Trumpery being defined (by me) as the rise of nativism, the advent of power concentrated in the hands of the nation's leader, challenging the prior constitutional order, an isolationist bent, targeting minorities as being responsible for a variety of societal ills, and sloganeering as a substitute for nuanced policy.

She recently did a town hall style meeting with Chris Hayes during which he asked her why it is, in her opinion, that some authoritarian figures in history fail to gain support while others succeed. IOW, can success or failure of these figures be predicted. Her answer was the country, any country, has to be previously receptive to the message being projected. That no one can start from ground zero and orchestrate an authoritarian movement unless citizens in the country, some of them at least, are ready for it.

Probably the best example of this being Germany before Hitler (I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler). The seeds for being receptive to fascism were planted by the onerous terms Germany was forced to submit to after WW I.

So what was happening here that allowed for the sublimated acceptance of, if not desire for, autocracy to bubble to the surface? Technological advances bringing about economic instability? The "browning" of the country causing anxiety among certain factions?

Or is Rachel's theory just wrong?

Like anyone listens to Madcow

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

One of the authoritarian projects as Rachel points out is the idea that the truth is not knowable. That experts can't be trusted to know or tell you the truth. Not to trust science, or journalists (who don't say what you already believe), or history as you've been told it is. Only trust the leader of the authoritarian movement. Only the leader knows how to fix things.

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” Orwell

"What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening." ―Trump, 2018

"I alone can fix it." Trump, 2016

The right’s war on facts and the truth is fundamentally authoritarian, as is the Big Lie.

Indeed, election denialism is a classic example of the fascist tactic of repeating a lie often enough in the hope it’s perceived to be ‘true.’

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

WTF….Cool word….but ”nativism” has always lied at the very core of America and American values. All soverign nations practice nativism. Nativism like nationalism is a positive thing for a nation.
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WTF….did Trump write his very own immigration policy? Did he create his very own personal type of citizenship like DACA or something?

WTF….did Trump work with media and social media to silent and oppress opposing views?

Minorities ARE responsible for MOST of our societal ills. Why do you fragile/emotional folks deny known facts? Why would you have disdain for a POTUS who gives it to you straight?

“Sloganeering“ gets the point across quickly and concisely. Why do you prefer word games and a bunch of bullshit rhetoric? To soften the blow of harsh realities?
REAL problem solvers simplify all things while those who solve nothing pretend everything is complex and requires “nuanced policy”. Fuck that!

Racist, bigoted anti-immigrant nativism is central to the authoritarian right – the unwarranted, baseless fear of diversity and inclusion.

 

[SeaMajor7]

The right’s war on facts and the truth is fundamentally authoritarian, as is the Big Lie.

Indeed, election denialism is a classic example of the fascist tactic of repeating a lie often enough in the hope it’s perceived to be ‘true.’

PROJECTION

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

PROJECTION

Trump is the ultimate manifestation of the right’s war on facts and the truth; a consummate liar, Trump has embraced the fascist tactic of endlessly repeating lies in an effort to extinguish the truth.

It is among the more dangerous elements of conservative authoritarianism.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Trump is the ultimate manifestation of the right’s war on facts and the truth; a consummate liar, Trump has embraced the fascist tactic of endlessly repeating lies in an effort to extinguish the truth.

It is among the more dangerous elements of conservative authoritarianism.

"They don't think it be like it is, but it do."

 

[berg80]

An interesting factoid. In 1935 FDR was convinced Huey Long was a real threat to win the presidency. Especially seeing as Father Coughlin, the pro-fascist, populist, Catholic priest was going to support Long. So FDR called Coughlin to the summer WH in NY to talk to him about the upcoming election. On the day he was summoned Long was assassinated.

Gee, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that. Trumper conspiracy theory fans will accuse FDR of being behind Long's assassination.

 

[ColonelAngus]

.......that I thought would be interesting to discuss. Boiled down to its essence it is that Trump is not the essential element animating Trumpery. Trumpery being defined (by me) as the rise of nativism, the advent of power concentrated in the hands of the nation's leader, challenging the prior constitutional order, an isolationist bent, targeting minorities as being responsible for a variety of societal ills, and sloganeering as a substitute for nuanced policy.

She recently did a town hall style meeting with Chris Hayes during which he asked her why it is, in her opinion, that some authoritarian figures in history fail to gain support while others succeed. IOW, can success or failure of these figures be predicted. Her answer was the country, any country, has to be previously receptive to the message being projected. That no one can start from ground zero and orchestrate an authoritarian movement unless citizens in the country, some of them at least, are ready for it.

Probably the best example of this being Germany before Hitler (I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler). The seeds for being receptive to fascism were planted by the onerous terms Germany was forced to submit to after WW I.

So what was happening here that allowed for the sublimated acceptance of, if not desire for, autocracy to bubble to the surface? Technological advances bringing about economic instability? The "browning" of the country causing anxiety among certain factions?

Or is Rachel's theory just wrong?

He is a terrible broadcaster

 

[d0gbreath]

There's no doubt the rise of RWM softened the ground for Trump by stoking the anger he tapped in to. But what is the source of the anger?

The peace, love, and flower child Hippies, went completely against the authoritarian principles of the uptight right. They've never gotten over the fact that some people won't ask "How high?" when told to jump.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Racist, bigoted anti-immigrant nativism is central to the authoritarian right – the unwarranted, baseless fear of diversity and inclusion.

The evil right aims to protect the sorry asses of ignorant fucked in the head bleeding heart globalist fools who refuse to get out of their own way. It’s just that simple.
Name one thing you leftists bitch about that you didn’t manufacture, manifest and foster?

 

[Calypso Jones]

It seems you fundamentally don't respect formal education unless it's based in Scripture.

you probably should avoid any readings on the method of education in the early days of this country.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

you probably should avoid any readings on the method of education in the early days of this country.

Irrelevant. This isn't the early days of this country.

 

[Calypso Jones]

It's a legitimately verifiable statement.

Then you answer it for us.

 

[BrokeLoser]

It seems you fundamentally don't respect formal education unless it's based in Scripture.

This is what you turn-out of that “formal education” of yours…you know, the one NOT based in scripture.

 

[Calypso Jones]

Irrelevant. This isn't the early days of this country.

most assuredly it isn't and more's the pity. Every public educated kid out here today would find it impossile to pass the simplest test of english, reading, writing, history that children in those days were required to master.