Question to gays and lesbians wanting marriage rights - denounce you're men/women?

[pvsi]

Gays and Lesbians are men and women.

That act like women and men.

 

[KevinWestern]

Gays and Lesbians are men and women.

That act like women and men.

Absolutely untrue. There are mountains of straight men that act effeminate, and mountains of gay men that act much more masculine than I do.

 

[bendog]

Let me assure you first of all that I have nothing against gays and lesbians, because I am under no illusion that this world has a shortage of people as it is. I'm your friend .....

Question: I understand that you may feel that there is no need for you to compromise and that you are entitled to the right to marry just like anyone else, but I am not the one to make it legal, my question is this: to please the critics, would you be willing to compromise in exchange for gay marriage that you will no longer be allowed to be considered men/women, on drivers license etc. it will state gay or lesbian?

Also, since many straight men (and I understand them, especially younger) may feel awkward if a gay man next to them enters a public restroom, so gay men must use women's restroom and lesbians must use men's room, is that ok with you? I would have no problem with a lesbian watching me pee...

You've watched Frozen wayyyy too many times.

 

[Michelle420]

Let me assure you first of all that I have nothing against gays and lesbians, because I am under no illusion that this world has a shortage of people as it is. I'm your friend .....

Question: I understand that you may feel that there is no need for you to compromise and that you are entitled to the right to marry just like anyone else, but I am not the one to make it legal, my question is this: to please the critics, would you be willing to compromise in exchange for gay marriage that you will no longer be allowed to be considered men/women, on drivers license etc. it will state gay or lesbian?

Also, since many straight men (and I understand them, especially younger) may feel awkward if a gay man next to them enters a public restroom, so gay men must use women's restroom and lesbians must use men's room, is that ok with you? I would have no problem with a lesbian watching me pee...

So you don't vote?

 

[paperview]

What a bizarre OP.

 

[bendog]

What a bizarre OP.

bizarre would not be the term I used. Homophobe or bigot to be more precise.

 

[pvsi]

Let me assure you first of all that I have nothing against gays and lesbians, because I am under no illusion that this world has a shortage of people as it is. I'm your friend .....

Question: I understand that you may feel that there is no need for you to compromise and that you are entitled to the right to marry just like anyone else, but I am not the one to make it legal, my question is this: to please the critics, would you be willing to compromise in exchange for gay marriage that you will no longer be allowed to be considered men/women, on drivers license etc. it will state gay or lesbian?

Also, since many straight men (and I understand them, especially younger) may feel awkward if a gay man next to them enters a public restroom, so gay men must use women's restroom and lesbians must use men's room, is that ok with you? I would have no problem with a lesbian watching me pee...

So you don't vote?

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[Pop23]

I've never heard one that was convincing. Two same sex adults who want to build their lives around each other should have equal legal rights as two opposite sex adults.

And someone with a license to drive a car should automatically be allowed to fly commercial airliners.

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I think that's a poor comparison.

I argue that any adult should aught to have the freedom to marry any adult of his/her choice, whereas you're saying that any adult who's certified to drive a car aught to also be able to fly a plane despite not being certified to do so?

I'm lost..

Comparing a Hetero relationship to a Homosexual relationship is a poor comparison. When you start with that as your base, than of course there would be no fair comparisons.

 

[KevinWestern]

And someone with a license to drive a car should automatically be allowed to fly commercial airliners.

?

I think that's a poor comparison.

I argue that any adult should aught to have the freedom to marry any adult of his/her choice, whereas you're saying that any adult who's certified to drive a car aught to also be able to fly a plane despite not being certified to do so?

I'm lost..

Comparing a Hetero relationship to a Homosexual relationship is a poor comparison. When you start with that as your base, than of course there would be no fair comparisons.

Disagree. The only thing we're talking about right now is whether or not an adult aught to have the freedom to choose any (consenting) adult partner of their choice to marry.

I think adults should have the right to marry any consenting adult - same or opposite sex.

When posed with the question "more freedom of choice or less freedom of choice?", I generally side with more freedom. I'm not a big fan of the Government playing the role of our moral nanny.

Give people more choices.


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[BDBoop]

And someone with a license to drive a car should automatically be allowed to fly commercial airliners.

?

I think that's a poor comparison.

I argue that any adult should aught to have the freedom to marry any adult of his/her choice, whereas you're saying that any adult who's certified to drive a car aught to also be able to fly a plane despite not being certified to do so?

I'm lost..

Comparing a Hetero relationship to a Homosexual relationship is a poor comparison. When you start with that as your base, than of course there would be no fair comparisons.

It is a perfectly logical comparison. People feel an attraction, start dating, have sex, fall in love, get married, start a family. Intend to stay together forever. Sometimes that changes, sometimes they make it.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

?

I think that's a poor comparison.

I argue that any adult should aught to have the freedom to marry any adult of his/her choice, whereas you're saying that any adult who's certified to drive a car aught to also be able to fly a plane despite not being certified to do so?

I'm lost..

Comparing a Hetero relationship to a Homosexual relationship is a poor comparison. When you start with that as your base, than of course there would be no fair comparisons.

Disagree. The only thing we're talking about right now is whether or not an adult aught to have the freedom to choose any (consenting) adult partner of their choice to marry.

I think adults should have the right to marry any consenting adult - same or opposite sex.

When posed with the question "more freedom of choice or less freedom of choice?", I generally side with more freedom. I'm not a big fan of the Government playing the role of our moral nanny.

Give people more choices.


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you've got about half the population to choose from....

 

[KevinWestern]

Comparing a Hetero relationship to a Homosexual relationship is a poor comparison. When you start with that as your base, than of course there would be no fair comparisons.

Disagree. The only thing we're talking about right now is whether or not an adult aught to have the freedom to choose any (consenting) adult partner of their choice to marry.

I think adults should have the right to marry any consenting adult - same or opposite sex.

When posed with the question "more freedom of choice or less freedom of choice?", I generally side with more freedom. I'm not a big fan of the Government playing the role of our moral nanny.

Give people more choices.


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you've got about half the population to choose from....

ScreamingEagle: 50% choice
KevinWestern: 100% choice

Give people more personal choices when talking about things that do not directly and significantly impact other parties. This sort of thinking also applies to things like being able to legally smoke marijuana. Give people more choices.

 

[Pop23]

?

I think that's a poor comparison.

I argue that any adult should aught to have the freedom to marry any adult of his/her choice, whereas you're saying that any adult who's certified to drive a car aught to also be able to fly a plane despite not being certified to do so?

I'm lost..

Comparing a Hetero relationship to a Homosexual relationship is a poor comparison. When you start with that as your base, than of course there would be no fair comparisons.

It is a perfectly logical comparison. People feel an attraction, start dating, have sex, fall in love, get married, start a family. Intend to stay together forever. Sometimes that changes, sometimes they make it.

Only one of the three types of relationships can start s family without outside intervention.

Would you not agree, of the three, gay males, gay females and heterosexual couple, one is vastly unique because of that?

 

[KevinWestern]

Comparing a Hetero relationship to a Homosexual relationship is a poor comparison. When you start with that as your base, than of course there would be no fair comparisons.

It is a perfectly logical comparison. People feel an attraction, start dating, have sex, fall in love, get married, start a family. Intend to stay together forever. Sometimes that changes, sometimes they make it.

Only one of the three types of relationships can start s family without outside intervention.

Would you not agree, of the three, gay males, gay females and heterosexual couple, one is vastly unique because of that?

Are you saying that a 60 year old man and a 60 year old woman would have no reason to marry because they're beyond the child-bearing age? Is that the ONLY and PRIMARY reason why people are compelled to marry? Would you not grant this couple a license?

 

[Pop23]

?

I think that's a poor comparison.

I argue that any adult should aught to have the freedom to marry any adult of his/her choice, whereas you're saying that any adult who's certified to drive a car aught to also be able to fly a plane despite not being certified to do so?

I'm lost..

Comparing a Hetero relationship to a Homosexual relationship is a poor comparison. When you start with that as your base, than of course there would be no fair comparisons.

Disagree. The only thing we're talking about right now is whether or not an adult aught to have the freedom to choose any (consenting) adult partner of their choice to marry.

I think adults should have the right to marry any consenting adult - same or opposite sex.

When posed with the question "more freedom of choice or less freedom of choice?", I generally side with more freedom. I'm not a big fan of the Government playing the role of our moral nanny.

Give people more choices.


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I would somewhat agree with the comment as it is to government license. I'm actually looking forward to the day that some state has guts enough to just say marriage is no longer our business.

 

[Pop23]

It is a perfectly logical comparison. People feel an attraction, start dating, have sex, fall in love, get married, start a family. Intend to stay together forever. Sometimes that changes, sometimes they make it.

Only one of the three types of relationships can start s family without outside intervention.

Would you not agree, of the three, gay males, gay females and heterosexual couple, one is vastly unique because of that?

Are you saying that a 60 year old man and a 60 year old woman would have no reason to marry because they're beyond the child-bearing age? Would you not grant them a license?

Why not simply answer the question. Which of the three is the unique relationship?

 

[BDBoop]

Comparing a Hetero relationship to a Homosexual relationship is a poor comparison. When you start with that as your base, than of course there would be no fair comparisons.

It is a perfectly logical comparison. People feel an attraction, start dating, have sex, fall in love, get married, start a family. Intend to stay together forever. Sometimes that changes, sometimes they make it.

Only one of the three types of relationships can start s family without outside intervention.

Would you not agree, of the three, gay males, gay females and heterosexual couple, one is vastly unique because of that?

Nope. Because too many straight couples either have difficulty conceiving, can't conceive, choose not to, OR get married at an age that precludes bearing babies.

What are you trying to say? If you can't start a family, you shouldn't be allowed to wed? Sounds mighty lame to me.

 

[KevinWestern]

Only one of the three types of relationships can start s family without outside intervention.

Would you not agree, of the three, gay males, gay females and heterosexual couple, one is vastly unique because of that?

Are you saying that a 60 year old man and a 60 year old woman would have no reason to marry because they're beyond the child-bearing age? Would you not grant them a license?

Why not simply answer the question. Which of the three is the unique relationship?

But your question is irrelevant. I can ask an irrelevant question and ask you to answer it too, but I'm not going to because it's a waste of time.

Unless you're willing to restrict marriage to couples capable of child-bearing then your argument is irrelevant. Can we confirm that this is your argument?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Are you saying that a 60 year old man and a 60 year old woman would have no reason to marry because they're beyond the child-bearing age? Would you not grant them a license?

Why not simply answer the question. Which of the three is the unique relationship?

But your question is irrelevant. I can ask an irrelevant question and ask you to answer it too, but I'm not going to because it's a waste of time.

Unless you're willing to restrict marriage to couples capable of child-bearing then your argument is irrelevant. Can we confirm that this is your argument?

using your logic it is then possible to allow siblings to marry.....or parents and their children.....or you and your uncle or aunt or what the heck both of them....

polygamy of course would be a shoo-in....

 

[Pop23]

It is a perfectly logical comparison. People feel an attraction, start dating, have sex, fall in love, get married, start a family. Intend to stay together forever. Sometimes that changes, sometimes they make it.

Only one of the three types of relationships can start s family without outside intervention.

Would you not agree, of the three, gay males, gay females and heterosexual couple, one is vastly unique because of that?

Nope. Because too many straight couples either have difficulty conceiving, can't conceive, choose not to, OR get married at an age that precludes bearing babies.

What are you trying to say? If you can't start a family, you shouldn't be allowed to wed? Sounds mighty lame to me.

Oh no, not at all. Reproductive privacy is the law of the land as could be the case with age. Then you argue that we should discriminate based on disability?

Care now to take a shot at my question?

Please name the future taxpayer, firefighter, teacher, artist created from a gay sexual coupling.

Really? Is there any question that the heterosexual relationship is the unique of the three?