Question for all "gun" control advocates.

[jc456]

Now that is a good point about cars...THAT is totally applicable to GUNS!
See it's not the car, nor the gun. Its the USER!!!!!
My point regarding the news though is the MSM takes these EXCEPTIONS and make it sound like it happens ALL the time when in reality:
307 people mass shootings.. 40,000 car deaths and 908,000 abortions...ALL DEATHS but which one makes the evening news for several nights?
WHY? When all three are education issues as YOU point out with cars, so too with guns AND abortions!

Correct it’s the users.
Which is why dems push for gun control laws and regulations. No one is trying to get rid of gun. We are just trying to make sure guns are in safe hands.

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

dude, I totally get it. It's why offering death sentence is so obvious. They want to die, it is usually suicide by cop. Why not just admit it in the law and let normal gun owners go through life without the need to defend themselves from commie leftturds? I mean truly, we all come in here and debate gun laws, well fk that, it isn't the gun's fault it is the individual and it is about time to show we accuse the individual and punish accordingly. black on black shootings would go to zero. it's why the left won't do it. they love black on black crime.

 

[Aries]

Now that is a good point about cars...THAT is totally applicable to GUNS!
See it's not the car, nor the gun. Its the USER!!!!!
My point regarding the news though is the MSM takes these EXCEPTIONS and make it sound like it happens ALL the time when in reality:
307 people mass shootings.. 40,000 car deaths and 908,000 abortions...ALL DEATHS but which one makes the evening news for several nights?
WHY? When all three are education issues as YOU point out with cars, so too with guns AND abortions!

Correct it’s the users.
Which is why dems push for gun control laws and regulations. No one is trying to get rid of gun. We are just trying to make sure guns are in safe hands.

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

 

[jc456]

Correct it’s the users.
Which is why dems push for gun control laws and regulations. No one is trying to get rid of gun. We are just trying to make sure guns are in safe hands.

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

you can't control guns that is a really big lie. if you could, then there wouldn't be any. we know that. that's why in our society, we must have deterrent laws in place, where a person must truly consider the consequence of his or her action. again, you said you weren't against that. are you now saying you are?

I'm also ok with if a person uses a car as a weapon or a knife or rock getting death for killing someone.

 

[DJT for Life]

Let's start with the latest shooting.

A good example of a person being mentally ill.

What is the first thing we must do as a society?

The absolute first thing that must be done is to repeal the 100
or so laws that shield the identities of the mentally ill from society.

Hippa laws must go. Client-patient relationship cannot be protected.
anymore. Somebody needs to ask a question..."if this guy is a danger
to society, why the hell isn't he locked up until he isn't?"

It's an easy statement to make that we must keep guns out of the hands
of the mentally ill. Very easy to say that. But to do that, society has to
know who that person is.

Sexual offenders can only live in certain places and society knows who those
folks are. Why not with the mentally ill?

But...we must remember that the sexual offender wasn't made known to
the public until he had committed an illegal act.

I gotta tell ya...that's what happens with the mentally ill, also.

There is no way to prevent this crap other than stripping everybody of all
of their rights.

The folks as far left as you can get, understand and know exactly what I
know..."There is no way to prevent this crap from happening."

Folks who want to kill, will kill. The left wants to get one thing today, fully
understanding that it ain't gonna do anything in a preventive way. Then
when it happens again...they will demand something else...and then on
and on and on.

Nope...there is only one stance to take. The 2nd Amendment of the
Constitution. The second cure then is a repeal of the 2nd AMENDMENT
of the constitution. Good Luck

 

[Aries]

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

you can't control guns that is a really big lie. if you could, then there wouldn't be any. we know that. that's why in our society, we must have deterrent laws in place, where a person must truly consider the consequence of his or her action. again, you said you weren't against that. are you now saying you are?

I'm also ok with if a person uses a car as a weapon or a knife or rock getting death for killing someone.

Yes we can control guns through legislation.
I said I supported strict gun laws but they are really pointless if not nationally enforced as ones states lose laws can damage states with strict laws.

 

[hunarcy]

Correct it’s the users.
Which is why dems push for gun control laws and regulations. No one is trying to get rid of gun. We are just trying to make sure guns are in safe hands.

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

Isn't it odd that we COULD control "psychos" for years and then lost control of them because "advocates" started using the Habeus Corpus laws to get the "psychos" released so they could wander about and sleep on street corner instead of living in asylums and receiving treatment.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So you claim "easy sale of assault"...
OK what about stolen assault weapons?
Point is should there BE any assault weapons manufactured period?
Because people like the Texas shooter got the weapons due to simple clerical errors.

• So let's not allow ANY assault weapons to be manufactured because in the last year 307 people have been killed. Makes total sense. BAN ALL weapons.
• So while we are at it... let's ban all automobiles also. These totally evil autos have killed 40,000 people!
• While we are at it let's also ban ALL abortions as abortions killed an estimated 908,000 U.S. abortions took place in 2015.

Hmmm... seems a bit odd. All this angst over 300 deaths while nearly a million lives wiped out in 2015 by people that didn't want their baby.

Just doesn't make any common sense. WAIT here's the reason!!!
MSM once again blowing the exception into the rule and lemmings following these biased ignorant MSM believe everything the news anchors put out!
Truth in advertising is a law. Where is the same law regarding Truth in the NEWS????

You jumped from A to Z with everything in between jumbled incoherently.
For civilians, guns are for protection and hunting. They don’t need automatic weapons. That’s not to say automatic weapons aren’t necessary. I would assume they come in very handy to soldiers at war who need to shoot as many attackers they can as quickly as they can.
Banning cars? You have a good point cars kill a lot of people. Why not raise the driving age and require more training classes and experience behind the wheel before a license is issued.

Now that is a good point about cars...THAT is totally applicable to GUNS!
See it's not the car, nor the gun. Its the USER!!!!!
My point regarding the news though is the MSM takes these EXCEPTIONS and make it sound like it happens ALL the time when in reality:
307 people mass shootings.. 40,000 car deaths and 908,000 abortions...ALL DEATHS but which one makes the evening news for several nights?
WHY? When all three are education issues as YOU point out with cars, so too with guns AND abortions!

Correct it’s the users.
Which is why dems push for gun control laws and regulations. No one is trying to get rid of gun. We are just trying to make sure guns are in safe hands.

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

Well except your ilk ARE against long prison terms for violent offenders. In California they created a law that says you get 10 years added to your sentence if you use a firearm, The Governor and the liberal Legislature just got rid of that cause it was to "harsh".

 

[Aries]

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

Isn't it odd that we COULD control "psychos" for years and then lost control of them because "advocates" started using the Habeus Corpus laws to get the "psychos" released so they could wander about and sleep on street corner instead of living in asylums and receiving treatment.

The mental health of a human is much more complex than your generalized statements.

 

[Aries]

You jumped from A to Z with everything in between jumbled incoherently.
For civilians, guns are for protection and hunting. They don’t need automatic weapons. That’s not to say automatic weapons aren’t necessary. I would assume they come in very handy to soldiers at war who need to shoot as many attackers they can as quickly as they can.
Banning cars? You have a good point cars kill a lot of people. Why not raise the driving age and require more training classes and experience behind the wheel before a license is issued.

Now that is a good point about cars...THAT is totally applicable to GUNS!
See it's not the car, nor the gun. Its the USER!!!!!
My point regarding the news though is the MSM takes these EXCEPTIONS and make it sound like it happens ALL the time when in reality:
307 people mass shootings.. 40,000 car deaths and 908,000 abortions...ALL DEATHS but which one makes the evening news for several nights?
WHY? When all three are education issues as YOU point out with cars, so too with guns AND abortions!

Correct it’s the users.
Which is why dems push for gun control laws and regulations. No one is trying to get rid of gun. We are just trying to make sure guns are in safe hands.

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

Well except your ilk ARE against long prison terms for violent offenders. In California they created a law that says you get 10 years added to your sentence if you use a firearm, The Governor and the liberal Legislature just got rid of that cause it was to "harsh".

This liberal is not against long sentences for violent offenders.
Although I am very against long sentences for non violent offenders or short sentences for violent offenders.
I think jails should be reserved for rapist and murders.

 

[BluesLegend]

Correct it’s the users.
Which is why dems push for gun control laws and regulations. No one is trying to get rid of gun. We are just trying to make sure guns are in safe hands.

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

168 people were killed in the Oklahoma City bombing and not by a gun.

 

[Humorme]

You jumped from A to Z with everything in between jumbled incoherently.
For civilians, guns are for protection and hunting. They don’t need automatic weapons. That’s not to say automatic weapons aren’t necessary. I would assume they come in very handy to soldiers at war who need to shoot as many attackers they can as quickly as they can.
Banning cars? You have a good point cars kill a lot of people. Why not raise the driving age and require more training classes and experience behind the wheel before a license is issued.

Now that is a good point about cars...THAT is totally applicable to GUNS!
See it's not the car, nor the gun. Its the USER!!!!!
My point regarding the news though is the MSM takes these EXCEPTIONS and make it sound like it happens ALL the time when in reality:
307 people mass shootings.. 40,000 car deaths and 908,000 abortions...ALL DEATHS but which one makes the evening news for several nights?
WHY? When all three are education issues as YOU point out with cars, so too with guns AND abortions!

Correct it’s the users.
Which is why dems push for gun control laws and regulations. No one is trying to get rid of gun. We are just trying to make sure guns are in safe hands.

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

Well except your ilk ARE against long prison terms for violent offenders. In California they created a law that says you get 10 years added to your sentence if you use a firearm, The Governor and the liberal Legislature just got rid of that cause it was to "harsh".

I don't understand why you would give a person added time just because a firearm is used.

Some of the more idiotic laws are that if you and a fellow poster agree to meet up and beat the beans out of each other, one of you could become a felon if the cops check your trunk and find a weapon. The weapon need not be a part of the mutual physical contact.

So, if I run over you with a car or beat you to death, that should net me less time in prison?

What's the real objective?

 

[hunarcy]

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

Isn't it odd that we COULD control "psychos" for years and then lost control of them because "advocates" started using the Habeus Corpus laws to get the "psychos" released so they could wander about and sleep on street corner instead of living in asylums and receiving treatment.

The mental health of a human is much more complex than your generalized statements.

When people who were considered dangers to themselves and others could be involuntarily committed by their families, we didn't have as many such incidents, even though firearm laws were much more lax than they are today.

 

[Aries]

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

Isn't it odd that we COULD control "psychos" for years and then lost control of them because "advocates" started using the Habeus Corpus laws to get the "psychos" released so they could wander about and sleep on street corner instead of living in asylums and receiving treatment.

The mental health of a human is much more complex than your generalized statements.

When people who were considered dangers to themselves and others could be involuntarily committed by their families, we didn't have as many such incidents, even though firearm laws were much more lax than they are today.

we also had many women who were wrongfully institutionalized by their husbands or fathers against their wills.....

 

[jc456]

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

you can't control guns that is a really big lie. if you could, then there wouldn't be any. we know that. that's why in our society, we must have deterrent laws in place, where a person must truly consider the consequence of his or her action. again, you said you weren't against that. are you now saying you are?

I'm also ok with if a person uses a car as a weapon or a knife or rock getting death for killing someone.

Yes we can control guns through legislation.
I said I supported strict gun laws but they are really pointless if not nationally enforced as ones states lose laws can damage states with strict laws.

you cannot control guns. zip. the proof is in the latest massacre. you can't. A failure to manually fill in the information of the dude and he got outside the system. so no, no you can't because laws are already on the books and they don't work. You cannot stop human error no matter how fking bad you think you can. you can't.

And again, why are you against human laws that punish the shooter? why? death sentence for use of a gun in a death that was a murder? why are you nut jobs against punishment?

 

[jc456]

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

168 people were killed in the Oklahoma City bombing and not by a gun.

it was the chemicals fault.

 

[jc456]

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

Isn't it odd that we COULD control "psychos" for years and then lost control of them because "advocates" started using the Habeus Corpus laws to get the "psychos" released so they could wander about and sleep on street corner instead of living in asylums and receiving treatment.

The mental health of a human is much more complex than your generalized statements.

so who are you to determine who is or isn't? see the stupid you just posted?

 

[healthmyths]

Correct it’s the users.
Which is why dems push for gun control laws and regulations. No one is trying to get rid of gun. We are just trying to make sure guns are in safe hands.

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

so instead of promoting gun laws that are already in place, promote stricter sentencing for crimes committed with a gun, rather than what Jerry Brown has done in California which is to lighten sentences? Is the gun on trial or the person? that is the ultimate question. so good, you're for a Federal punishment of crime with a gun is life in prison and killing someone with a gun is death sentence. ok? You think that would deter use of guns? I do.

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

I'm going to repeat this:

BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

The problem is not guns. It is not cars. It is not abortions.
It is the very simple issue that the MSM blow these events WAY out of proportion!
26 people shot in church. Sad and despicable YES!
But why all the coverage? Why continually making a BIG deal out of 26 people dying in less then 26 minutes when during that same day
109 people were killed in car accidents and 2,464 babies murdered! Where is the perspective here?
NO what we need to do is tell the MSM enough of this blowing out of proportion these events and guess what?
Those mentally ill idiots that do this won't be doing it! They won't see their name in 15 minutes of fame! That's the cause because here is what happened in
prior days:
from this source: https://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-shootings-in-america-a-historical-review/5355990
342 deaths since 1980s through 2017 37 years!
And all you people are so distraught by 342 deaths while in the meantime:
1,524,982 people killed by cars since 1980! List of motor vehicle deaths in U.S. by year - Wikipedia
36,649,884 abortions since 1980! Abortion statistics in the United States - Wikipedia
PEOPLE!!!! Where is your sense of proportion???

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Now that is a good point about cars...THAT is totally applicable to GUNS!
See it's not the car, nor the gun. Its the USER!!!!!
My point regarding the news though is the MSM takes these EXCEPTIONS and make it sound like it happens ALL the time when in reality:
307 people mass shootings.. 40,000 car deaths and 908,000 abortions...ALL DEATHS but which one makes the evening news for several nights?
WHY? When all three are education issues as YOU point out with cars, so too with guns AND abortions!

Correct it’s the users.
Which is why dems push for gun control laws and regulations. No one is trying to get rid of gun. We are just trying to make sure guns are in safe hands.

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

Well except your ilk ARE against long prison terms for violent offenders. In California they created a law that says you get 10 years added to your sentence if you use a firearm, The Governor and the liberal Legislature just got rid of that cause it was to "harsh".

I don't understand why you would give a person added time just because a firearm is used.

Some of the more idiotic laws are that if you and a fellow poster agree to meet up and beat the beans out of each other, one of you could become a felon if the cops check your trunk and find a weapon. The weapon need not be a part of the mutual physical contact.

So, if I run over you with a car or beat you to death, that should net me less time in prison?

What's the real objective?

The way to stop the use of firearms in crime is to PUNISH those that use them not take them away from law abiding citizens. Why would you take a weapon away from someone that has never committed a crime?

 

[hunarcy]

Go ahead have a death sentence but if you remember almost all the mass shooters are dead already!
And the laws are strict enough. This guy slipped through the cracks. Data entry error.
BUT people are so blown out of proportion of 26 deaths while ignoring that during that same time period Sunday:
26 people shot
109 people died on Sunday in car accidents and
2,464 babies killed by abortion

But which event had 24 hour 5 days or more coverage? WHY are guns and not the shooters the target of MSM?
Why not car accidents that kill 109 people EVERY DAY not the 24/5 day topic? or 2,464 babies?
People your priorities are so screwed up by the extremely BIASED and truly ignorant MSM!

Guns are the target because they are inanimate objects that we can control. We can’t control psychos who want to go out and murder people but I can gaurentee you they will kill a lot less people if they can’t get their hands on a semi automatic weapon. A maniac with a knife does a lot less damage than a maniac shooting 800 rounds per second.

Isn't it odd that we COULD control "psychos" for years and then lost control of them because "advocates" started using the Habeus Corpus laws to get the "psychos" released so they could wander about and sleep on street corner instead of living in asylums and receiving treatment.

The mental health of a human is much more complex than your generalized statements.

When people who were considered dangers to themselves and others could be involuntarily committed by their families, we didn't have as many such incidents, even though firearm laws were much more lax than they are today.

we also had many women who were wrongfully institutionalized by their husbands or fathers against their wills.....

Perhaps back in the 19th Century, but less and less in the 20th Century. You're certainly working hard to try to frame the argument that I should be deprived of my rights even though I've committed no act that would warrant such behavior.

 

[Humorme]

Correct it’s the users.
Which is why dems push for gun control laws and regulations. No one is trying to get rid of gun. We are just trying to make sure guns are in safe hands.

why not make an offense with a gun more strict. A crime with a gun is life in prison. Why are you against that?

I never stated I was against that. In fact I’m not. My city is very strict on guns. But it has to be nation wide. Places like Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and most of their gun violence is from guns smuggled in from states with barely any gun laws.

Well except your ilk ARE against long prison terms for violent offenders. In California they created a law that says you get 10 years added to your sentence if you use a firearm, The Governor and the liberal Legislature just got rid of that cause it was to "harsh".

I don't understand why you would give a person added time just because a firearm is used.

Some of the more idiotic laws are that if you and a fellow poster agree to meet up and beat the beans out of each other, one of you could become a felon if the cops check your trunk and find a weapon. The weapon need not be a part of the mutual physical contact.

So, if I run over you with a car or beat you to death, that should net me less time in prison?

What's the real objective?

The way to stop the use of firearms in crime is to PUNISH those that use them not take them away from law abiding citizens. Why would you take a weapon away from someone that has never committed a crime?

My question was, why would punish a gun owner more than a the guy who beats people to death with their fists?