question about vladimir putin for american veterans

[shart_attack]

Do you find it in any way disrespectful that some of your fellow Americans are admirers of Putin?

Me, I'm certainly no admirer of communism, but I hafta admit that I like Putin's style, his alpha-doggish leadership traits.

And I do realize how some American VFWs might think my admiring of him to be callous toward them because of the 20th-Century wars in which they've fought and lost brothers and sisters.

So, American heroes: What do you think?

Just want to gauge your opinions with regard to this in a poll.

If you are ...

1.) not an American; and/ or
2.) not an American war veteran; and/ or
3.) a deserter/ traitor​

... please do not vote, as your opinion on this is totally irrelevant.

 

[shart_attack]

[MENTION=45104]WelfareQueen[/MENTION]
[MENTION=28505]The Professor[/MENTION]
[MENTION=36767]Bloodrock44[/MENTION]
[MENTION=39750]Intolerant[/MENTION]
[MENTION=20594]Mr Clean[/MENTION]
[MENTION=33974]NLT[/MENTION]
[MENTION=43147]Wildman[/MENTION]
[MENTION=48060]guno[/MENTION]
[MENTION=21616]blastoff[/MENTION]
[MENTION=27234]natstew[/MENTION]
[MENTION=19727]Darkwind[/MENTION]
[MENTION=47870]Vigilante[/MENTION]
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[MENTION=41985]drifter[/MENTION]
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[MENTION=20854]Zander[/MENTION]
[MENTION=42777]DigitalDrifter[/MENTION]
[MENTION=42946]Howey[/MENTION]
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[shart_attack]

Some more:

[MENTION=31731]OldUSAFSniper[/MENTION]
[MENTION=25451]tinydancer[/MENTION]
[MENTION=43857]eagle1462010[/MENTION]
[MENTION=42404]Vandalshandle[/MENTION]
[MENTION=21357]SFC Ollie[/MENTION]
[MENTION=41892]Mushroom[/MENTION]
[MENTION=11800]Missourian[/MENTION]
[MENTION=39932]Oldguy[/MENTION]
[MENTION=39072]mamooth[/MENTION]
[MENTION=25186]Two Thumbs[/MENTION]
[MENTION=31368]Lokiate[/MENTION]
[MENTION=31723]9thIDdoc[/MENTION]
[MENTION=20342]Ringel05[/MENTION]
[MENTION=27379]old navy[/MENTION]
[MENTION=37510]Borillar[/MENTION]

 

[Two Thumbs]

I think it sucks that our leader is so hateful twards everything American that people see putin as a positive example.

He's nothing but a ruthless killer that wants America undone and sees our leader as a nothing.

pity, under most anyone else, we wouldn't really know who or what putin is.

 

[shart_attack]

I think it sucks that our leader is so hateful twards everything American that people see putin as a positive example.

Do you think it might not necessarily be that he's "hateful," but that he's so megalomaniacally self-absorbed that he's myopic? Or might he be a combination of those things?

I have my theories, but as this thread isn't about those of us who've never served, I defer out of respect to you to answer that question.

He's nothing but a ruthless killer that wants America undone and sees our leader as a nothing.

pity, under most anyone else, we wouldn't really know who or what putin is.

Thanks.

 

[eagle1462010]

He's ex KGB. Veteran of the Cold War and the tactics of the same. He is a strong leader, but understands his limits. He pushes the envelope now as we have a weak CNC, but even under a weak POTUS he knows there are limits. He knows we still have the best military capabilities in the world.

He doesn't want to fight us. He wants to see what he can get away with.

 

[JWBooth]

This is of little or no concern to me.

 

[shart_attack]

This is of little or no concern to me.

But it's a question that needs to be asked, don't you think?

A lot of American families have been forever altered via the wars in which we got involved because of philosophies like the Domino theory and the Kirkpatrick Doctrine.

I just want to make sure that my admiration for Putin doesn't upset those who've been to say, Korea, Cuba and/ or Vietnam is all.

 

[eagle1462010]

This is of little or no concern to me.

But it's a question that needs to be asked, don't you think?

A lot of American families have been forever altered via the wars in which we got involved because of philosophies like the Domino theory and the Kirkpatrick Doctrine.

I just want to make sure that my admiration for Putin doesn't upset those who've been to say, Korea, Cuba and/ or Vietnam is all.

Putin is a remarkable leader. He has a spine, but he is not our friend. Never will be. It isn't a crime to study and/or respect our potential enemies. In WWII we had respect for Rommel. Because he was a Great leader of men and armies. It is wise to to respect people like that.

It ultimately doesn't mean you or I respect his cause.

 

[shart_attack]

This is of little or no concern to me.

But it's a question that needs to be asked, don't you think?

A lot of American families have been forever altered via the wars in which we got involved because of philosophies like the Domino theory and the Kirkpatrick Doctrine.

I just want to make sure that my admiration for Putin doesn't upset those who've been to say, Korea, Cuba and/ or Vietnam is all.

Putin is a remarkable leader. He has a spine, but he is not our friend. Never will be.

I disagree with that, because I do believe that in an indirect way, the USSR was effectively one of the USA's all-time best friends — so long as we both had a common enemy.

But again, I don't want to make this thread about my opinions, as I have myself technically not earned the right to have them.

It isn't a crime to study and/or respect our potential enemies. In WWII we had respect for Rommel. Because he was a Great leader of men and armies. It is wise to to respect people like that.

It ultimately doesn't mean you or I respect his cause.

In order to beat a criminal, you must learn to think like a criminal.

In order to defeat your enemy, you must first understand your enemy.

 

[eagle1462010]

But it's a question that needs to be asked, don't you think?

A lot of American families have been forever altered via the wars in which we got involved because of philosophies like the Domino theory and the Kirkpatrick Doctrine.

I just want to make sure that my admiration for Putin doesn't upset those who've been to say, Korea, Cuba and/ or Vietnam is all.

Putin is a remarkable leader. He has a spine, but he is not our friend. Never will be.

I disagree with that, because I do believe that in an indirect way, the USSR was effectively one of the USA's all-time best friends — so long as we both had a common enemy.

But again, I don't want to make this thread about my opinions, as I have myself technically not earned the right to have them.

It isn't a crime to study and/or respect our potential enemies. In WWII we had respect for Rommel. Because he was a Great leader of men and armies. It is wise to to respect people like that.

It ultimately doesn't mean you or I respect his cause.

In order to beat a criminal, you must learn to think like a criminal.

In order to defeat your enemy, you must first understand your enemy.

I am biased on their friendship to us. As I participated in part of the activities in the Cold War. The Cold War cost the world lives. Just not in direct battles against each other.

It has also caused many of the conflicts existing today. Not all per say. But some.

 

[JWBooth]

This is of little or no concern to me.

But it's a question that needs to be asked, don't you think?

A lot of American families have been forever altered via the wars in which we got involved because of philosophies like the Domino theory and the Kirkpatrick Doctrine.

I just want to make sure that my admiration for Putin doesn't upset those who've been to say, Korea, Cuba and/ or Vietnam is all.

I acknowledge that Putin has a set of regulation soccer match brass balls and a level of political acumen greater than the other major players of the moment. Some may admire him for it. Some may only do so grudgingly. I can, more or less, see where others might have a problem with that admiration. Putin is a thug, but so is any other "leader". I don't waste time admiring them. I used to, (Reagan) but I grew out of it.

 

[Mr Natural]

Not rude, just stupid.

But that's to be expected from that crowd.

 

[shart_attack]

Not rude, just stupid.

Why is that?

If you're going to hurl broad, sweeping insults, the least you can do is tell us why you're hurling them, yes?

I'd like to find out why we're "stupid," sir.

But that's to be expected from that crowd.

What "crowd" is that, anyway? Can you be more specific, please?

 

[Darkwind]

Do you find it in any way disrespectful that some of your fellow Americans are admirers of Putin?

Me, I'm certainly no admirer of communism, but I hafta admit that I like Putin's style, his alpha-doggish leadership traits.

And I do realize how some American VFWs might think my admiring of him to be callous toward them because of the 20th-Century wars in which they've fought and lost brothers and sisters.

So, American heroes: What do you think?

Just want to gauge your opinions with regard to this in a poll.

If you are ...

1.) not an American; and/ or
2.) not an American war veteran; and/ or
3.) a deserter/ traitor​

... please do not vote, as your opinion on this is totally irrelevant.

If there was anything about Putin that I could even remotely connect with, is the fact that he is connected with reality. While the west is stuck in PC land, and trying to get people who hate us to love us, he is playing the game of thrones in old school style.

I don't really consider him a leader. Leaders do not lead through fear, and by all accounts, Putin is feared for what he'll do if you disagree with him.

I don't know of anyone who admires Putin, but I do know many people who will contrast a strong will in a head of state who is out to get the most for his state, with our current President, and that does not contrast well for Obama.

I think it is blind partisanship to think that people who see Obama's glaring failure in leadership when compared to Putin as people who actually admire and support Putin.

 

[Darkwind]

Putin is a remarkable leader. He has a spine, but he is not our friend. Never will be.

I disagree with that, because I do believe that in an indirect way, the USSR was effectively one of the USA's all-time best friends — so long as we both had a common enemy.

But again, I don't want to make this thread about my opinions, as I have myself technically not earned the right to have them.

It isn't a crime to study and/or respect our potential enemies. In WWII we had respect for Rommel. Because he was a Great leader of men and armies. It is wise to to respect people like that.

It ultimately doesn't mean you or I respect his cause.

In order to beat a criminal, you must learn to think like a criminal.

In order to defeat your enemy, you must first understand your enemy.

I am biased on their friendship to us. As I participated in part of the activities in the Cold War. The Cold War cost the world lives. Just not in direct battles against each other.

It has also caused many of the conflicts existing today. Not all per say. But some.

Same here. My Commander-in-Chief was Ronald Reagan. I grew up and stood post during the cold war. I don't think Russia is in it for anyone but Russia. And there is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is our leaders thinking that Russia is fighting for the common good with regard to the International Community.

 

[Howey]

First
[MENTION=46796]shart_attack[/MENTION] Dont include me in your spamming. And pls remember to put flame threads where they belong.

Secondly, as a veteran I am incensed by my fellow vets showing unbridled support and admiration for a Communist with no regard for the human rights of his citizens. Not only does that show the true colors of the Republican party and its extremist outliers, it indicates a desire to live under such a regime.

I do, however, respect your First Amendment rights to treasonously criticize our democratic government.

Try moving to Russia and see how that works out for you, McKay?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Its tantamount to treason. Next thing, they'll want him to head up the RNC.

Since you hate your own country so much, GET OUT.

 

[shart_attack]

First, shart_attack, Dont include me in your spamming. And pls remember to put flame threads where they belong.

No, first of all, this is not "spamming." You obviously don't have a clue what that term means. This thread is an honest attempt to ask a legitimate question from people I most respect: veterans.

Think of it in your case in particular as a conciliatory gesture to someone I really, really don't like; but because you claim to be a veteran, I threw your name into the mix of mentions.

But yeah, you got it, hero: I'll never, ever do it again.

Secondly, as a veteran I am incensed by my fellow vets showing unbridled support and admiration for a Communist with no regard for the human rights of his citizens. Not only does that show the true colors of the Republican party and its extremist outliers, it indicates a desire to live under such a regime.

How do you know your "fellow vets showing unbridled support and admiration for a Communist with no regard for the rights of his citizens" are Republicans, Sherlock?

I do, however, respect your First Amendment rights to treasonously criticize our democratic government.

There is nothing whatsoever "treasonous" about criticizing the leaders of our democratic republic — whether or not it's a veteran or private citizen doing it.

The government itself? Yeah, maybe.

Not our leaders, though.

Try moving to Russia and see how that works out for you, McKay?

That does not sound like something that someone who's truly an American veteran would say, hero.

Just sayin'.

 

[shart_attack]

Its tantamount to treason. Next thing, they'll want him to head up the RNC.

Since you hate your own country so much, GET OUT.

You a veteran, Luddly?