Putin, heir to the Mongol Grand Khans. it is so difficult for Muscovites to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them.
Silver Cat
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Yes, but he use very outdated Ukrainian narrative. It's not in fashion even in Ukraine now. That's why I think, that he is a Brit. May be - a Brit with not-European origin, recently migrated in the UK.
this is why I think Litwin in not a Jew but a Ukrainian
all that Mongol narrative is common to Ukrainian Nazis, not Jews...
Litwin
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J. Halperin 'Muscovy and the Golden Horde', Indiana University Press, Bloomington, 1987
http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/catalog/pro...oducts_id=21458
(page .92):
... the language of the Muscovite bureacracy was kind of meta-Turkic, a hyperliteral calque of Turco-Tatar formulae and forms which is often linguistically meaningless without recourse to the Tatar originals. Supposedly Muscovite bureaucratic paper followed Mongol formats. 12. All bureacratic language is stylized, of course, but there is no question of the awkwardness and obscurity of Muscovite bureaucratic jargon. As yet the evidence that is syntactical, morphological, and lexical features derive from Turco-Tatar models remains suggestive rather than conclusive, but the connection is worthy of further research. Since the chancellery language of the Golden Horrde was Turkic written in Uighur script, it might be fruitful to explore the dessimination of Uighur script among Russian scribes...
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J. Halperin 'Muscovy and the Golden Horde', Indiana University Press, Bloomington, 1987
http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/catalog/pro...oducts_id=21458
(page .92):
... the language of the Muscovite bureacracy was kind of meta-Turkic, a hyperliteral calque of Turco-Tatar formulae and forms which is often linguistically meaningless without recourse to the Tatar originals. Supposedly Muscovite bureaucratic paper followed Mongol formats. 12. All bureacratic language is stylized, of course, but there is no question of the awkwardness and obscurity of Muscovite bureaucratic jargon. As yet the evidence that is syntactical, morphological, and lexical features derive from Turco-Tatar models remains suggestive rather than conclusive, but the connection is worthy of further research. Since the chancellery language of the Golden Horrde was Turkic written in Uighur script, it might be fruitful to explore the dessimination of Uighur script among Russian scribes...
."
Silver Cat
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Really not. Bureaucratic language of pre-Peter Russia was Church-slavonic, then it became more of French and German, and of course, French-infuenced Russian.
And yes, Mongolian language is not Turkish one.
Mongolian language - Wikipedia
Litwin
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a good post still at least 3 errorsReally not. Bureaucratic language of pre-Peter Russia was Church-slavonic, then it became more of French and German, and of course, French-infuenced Russian.
And yes, Mongolian language is not Turkish one.
Mongolian language - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
1) we talk about grand mongols not modern Mongolia
...It has been suggested that the language of the Muscovite bureacracy was kind of meta-Turkic, a hyperliteral calque of Turco-Tatar formulae and forms which is often linguistically meaningless without recourse to the Tatar originals. Supposedly Muscovite bureaucratic paper followed Mongol formats. 12. All bureacratic language is stylized, of course, but there is no question of the awkwardness and obscurity of Muscovite bureaucratic jargon. As yet the evidence that is syntactical, morphological, and lexical features derive from Turco-Tatar models remains suggestive rather than conclusive, but the connection is worthy of further research. Since the chancellery language of the Golden Horrde was Turkic written in Uighur script, it might be fruitful to explore the dessimination of Uighur script among Muscovite scribes... "
2) not "Church-slavonic", but old Bulgarian
3) not pre-Peter Muscovy , but pre - Pushkin (who brought into old - Bulgarian , french and German constructions) , not my just words all word academics but even your MGU. still even today if you speak high Muscovite language you speak a Muscovite form (4 times reformed) Mongol state language, cos you are right here, old Bulgarian had official status in Juchi Ulus , which had 4 official languages , but still " the language of the Muscovite bureacracy was kind of meta-Turkic"
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