Putin declares ……No concessions on Ukraine

[theHawk]

You keep changing your story about why Putin invaded

At first it was because Putin wanted to liberate native Russian in Donbass

Now you make up a lie that it was because Ukraine was trying to join NATO. They weren’t

Both things are true.

They had multiple reasons to invade.

You may not like it, but that is irrelevant. The point is Russia had their reasons, and it was all due to the US meddling in Ukraine’s affairs, like supporting the coup in 2014 and dictating to the Ukrainians who they were allowed to run as President.

Remember the Nuland phone call? “Fuck the EU”?

 

[rightwinger]

Both things are true.

They had multiple reasons to invade.

You may not like it, but that is irrelevant. The point is Russia had their reasons, and it was all due to the US meddling in Ukraine’s affairs, like supporting the coup in 2014 and dictating to the Ukrainians who they were allowed to run as President.

Remember the Nuland phone call? “Fuck the EU”?

Neither is true

Putin invaded to try to restore the old Soviet Union

 

[Zincwarrior]

Both things are true.

They had multiple reasons to invade.

You may not like it, but that is irrelevant. The point is Russia had their reasons, and it was all due to the US meddling in Ukraine’s affairs, like supporting the coup in 2014 and dictating to the Ukrainians who they were allowed to run as President.

Remember the Nuland phone call? “Fuck the EU”?

Putin thanks you for your service.

 

[otto105]

You keep changing your story about why Putin invaded

At first it was because Putin wanted to liberate native Russian in Donbass

Now you make up a lie that it was because Ukraine was trying to join NATO. They weren’t

Then it was that pootin wanted to deNAZI the Ukrainian army.

 

[Zavulon]

Neither is true

Putin invaded to try to restore the old Soviet Union

Nice worldview. "Evil dictator, sending uncountable horders of undoubted zombies in the unnecessary battle, just because of nostalgic caprice." Nice, but stupid. Even in Hollywood they wouldn't buy that plot. To be sellable movie should be believable, and to be believable both your good and evil should be reasonable and have better motivation.

 

[rightwinger]

Nice worldview. "Evil dictator, sending uncountable horders of undoubted zombies in the unnecessary battle, just because of nostalgic caprice." Nice, but stupid. Even in Hollywood they wouldn't buy that plot. To be sellable movie should be believable, and to be believable both your good and evil should be reasonable and have better motivation.

Your leader is evil

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Nice worldview. "Evil dictator, sending uncountable horders of undoubted zombies in the unnecessary battle, just because of nostalgic caprice." Nice, but stupid. Even in Hollywood they wouldn't buy that plot. To be sellable movie should be believable, and to be believable both your good and evil should be reasonable and have better motivation.

You said it was about restoring Russia.

 

[BackAgain]

We are threatening Canada now. Thats crazy.

Nonsense.

What you posted is inane.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Putin is unwilling to concede territory
Unwilling to accept European Peacekeepers
Unwilling to accept current boundaries

In a word NOTHING

Yet Trump bullies Zelensky for having some expectation of retaining territory and having assurance of peace.

Why isn’t Trump getting tough with Putin?

Putin rules out concessions as Trump seeks quick Ukraine truce

President Donald Trump said during his congressional address that he had received strong signals that Russia was ready for peace.

www.newsweek.com

Some idiots around here, plus Trump, think it's Zelensky's fault -

Why Trump sucks up to Putin is bizarre.

 

[Zavulon]

Your leader is evil

He is not. He is not best Russian leader in history, but he definitely isn't worst, either. And he do, what Russian people want him to do.

 

[Zavulon]

You said it was about restoring Russia.

The Reunion of Russian lands and Russian people isn't goal itself. Its the way how to achieve wealth and safety (and this is exactly what the people want). People, usually, don't like to kill and die for some geopolitical abstractions. But they do like to kill enemies. You say them : "Let's raise the Russian (American) flag over Minsk (London)!" and they'll say you - "For what reason? F#ck off!".
But say them: "Those freaking terrorists (Nazies) committed 911 (Odessa Massacre)! Lets kill those bastards and raise American (Russian) flags over ruins of Kabul and Baghdad (Kiev and Lvov)!" And you'll have a lot of volunteers, because people see terrorists and Nazies as actual threat and really want them dead.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Reunion of Russian lands and Russian people isn't goal itself. Its the way how to achieve wealth and safety (and this is exactly what the people want). People, usually, don't like to kill and die for some geopolitical abstractions. But they do like to kill enemies. You say them : "Let's raise the Russian (American) flag over Minsk (London)!" and they'll say you - "For what reason? F#ck off!".
But say them: "Those freaking terrorists (Nazies) committed 911 (Odessa Massacre)! Lets kill those bastards and raise American (Russian) flags over ruins of Kabul and Baghdad (Kiev and Lvov)!" And you'll have a lot of volunteers, because people see terrorists and Nazies as actual threat and really want them dead.

History says different.

Mankind has always killed for land and spoils.

Odessa. Your country wanting to take Beach Front Property is all it is.

Perhaps we kick Turkey out of NATO given they are killing Christians in Syria.

Afterall. It is stolen land if we take back Constantinople

Nice choke point too isnt it?

 

[dudmuck]

Both things are true.

They had multiple reasons to invade.

You may not like it, but that is irrelevant. The point is Russia had their reasons, and it was all due to the US meddling in Ukraine’s affairs, like supporting the coup in 2014 and dictating to the Ukrainians who they were allowed to run as President.

Remember the Nuland phone call? “Fuck the EU”?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

He is a bad man, a poor leader, and Zavulon's master.

 

[Zavulon]

History says different.

May be world's history, but not history of Russia. Russia has never fought an aggressive war for the land

Mankind has always killed for land and spoils.

Russia is better than "average mankind".

Odessa. Your country wanting to take Beach Front Property is all it is.

Of course we want it (as well as we want Alaska). But, its not the point. The real point is elimination of Banderlogs. Everything else is just a nice bonus.

Perhaps we kick Turkey out of NATO given they are killing Christians in Syria.

Afterall. It is stolen land if we take back Constantinople

It depends on what do you want - to grab some land, or to establish the proper peace.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The Reunion of Russian lands and Russian people isn't goal itself. Its the way how to achieve wealth and safety (and this is exactly what the people want). People, usually, don't like to kill and die for some geopolitical abstractions. But they do like to kill enemies. You say them : "Let's raise the Russian (American) flag over Minsk (London)!" and they'll say you - "For what reason? F#ck off!".
But say them: "Those freaking terrorists (Nazies) committed 911 (Odessa Massacre)! Lets kill those bastards and raise American (Russian) flags over ruins of Kabul and Baghdad (Kiev and Lvov)!" And you'll have a lot of volunteers, because people see terrorists and Nazies as actual threat and really want them dead.

The international agreements recreated the map of Europe.

Russia will live with it just as every other nation.

 

[ding]

The establishment isn't going to allow Trump to throw it all away. Period!

What could the two admins do that they haven't already tried?

Has there been too much, not enough, just right amount of escalation?

It's entirely possible that Trump thinks he's bailing America out of a losing humiliation?

Bleed Russia out, I say.

 

[ding]

There's nothing more important to Trump than showing his strength and power to the American people. He demonstrated that when he humiliated Zelensky.

That makes it very likely that he's setting the stage for an attempt to humiliate Putin in public.

So the obvious questions: Can he do it? Will he try? He may have to demonstrate that America's aircraft carriers are safe?

The thing is Geronimo, Trump can't be allowed to interfere with the war in a way that will prevent America's victory over Russia!

How can America demonstrate to Russia that it's the leading superpower? Is there any way possible?

Have Russia and China and the Brics taken over now?

According to you, Putin is a puppet of Trump.

 

[ding]

We only have to know that the Pentagon/military won't allow the war to end. It's too important that America defeats Russia.

You will see!

Didn't we all learn the truth already today that America is to blame for starting the war?

It’s a capital idea to bleed Russia out, bro.

 

[Zavulon]

The international agreements recreated the map of Europe.

You violated those agreements. So, its time for "Might is right".

Russia will live with it just as every other nation.

Some nations definitely won't live at all.