Putin came so close to launching a nuke in 2022 that UK ‘prepared for fallout’

[shockedcanadian]

Appears that the British were preparing for a nuke to be dropped. May have been very convincing disinformation by Putin. He could have driven his team to escalate within minutes of dropping a nuke and they would in a normal procedure and then picked up the phone and called it off, when in reality he had no plan to drop one at all.

Also, Russia is probably aware of at least a couple of traitors within the midst of the British and/or Americans and their allies. Instead of calling them back to Moscow and arresting them they can easily use them to spread misinformation during times of war.

Who knows. The world shouldn't try to find out though. It did seem that Putin was interesting in testing a tactical nuke just based on how loudly he was speaking of it.

MSN

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Vladimir Putin was apparently so close to launching a nuke in 2022 that Liz Truss spent her brief time in office preparing for the fallout. A new biography of Ms Truss claims the former prime minister spent her final days in No 10 examining weather maps and preparing for UK radiation cases after American spies warned her that Putin was dangerously close to pressing the button.

The ‘exquisite’ intelligence provided by the US concluded there was a 50% chance Russia could deploy a tactical nuclear weapon on the Ukrainian battlefields or test an even larger bomb

 

[Zavulon]

Appears that the British were preparing for a nuke to be dropped. May have been very convincing disinformation by Putin. He could have driven his team to escalate within minutes of dropping a nuke and they would in a normal procedure and then picked up the phone and called it off, when in reality he had no plan to drop one at all.

Also, Russia is probably aware of at least a couple of traitors within the midst of the British and/or Americans and their allies. Instead of calling them back to Moscow and arresting them they can easily use them to spread misinformation during times of war.

Who knows. The world shouldn't try to find out though. It did seem that Putin was interesting in testing a tactical nuke just based on how loudly he was speaking of it.

MSN

www.msn.com

Vladimir Putin was apparently so close to launching a nuke in 2022 that Liz Truss spent her brief time in office preparing for the fallout. A new biography of Ms Truss claims the former prime minister spent her final days in No 10 examining weather maps and preparing for UK radiation cases after American spies warned her that Putin was dangerously close to pressing the button.

The ‘exquisite’ intelligence provided by the US concluded there was a 50% chance Russia could deploy a tactical nuclear weapon on the Ukrainian battlefields or test an even larger bomb

Yes, it was, and still is. There is still a good possibility that other countries will join the conflict (like Poland-UK-France alliance) and regional war is, by definition, nuclear.

 

[Zavulon]

And if they do want fight against Russia, why they don't prepare shelters for their people?

 

[Darkwind]

And if they do want fight against Russia, why they don't prepare shelters for their people?

Because America is broke and we cannot afford it.

 

[shockedcanadian]

And if they do want fight against Russia, why they don't prepare shelters for their people?

Russia will face opposition if they used even a tactical nuke. Not even China would support Russia if they drop nukes.

If I were Putin, and I say this as a Canadian with no skin in the game; I would find an offramp with a peace deal and work on the global economy.

This war will remain a stalemate for at least three more years without a peace deal. Russia might eventually win in the end, but it would be at such a price that it wouldn't even feel like a victory.

 

[Zavulon]

Because America is broke and we cannot afford it.

Isn't it better first - to improve economy, and only then - prepare to start a war?

 

[Darkwind]

Isn't it better first - to improve economy, and only then - prepare to start a war?

I'm not advocating for starting a war.

The question was asked, "Why didn't Europe prepare shelters for their people?"

The answer is obvious. The United States is broke and can afford to pay for them.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I'm not advocating for starting a war.

The question was asked, "Why didn't Europe prepare shelters for their people?"

The answer is obvious. The United States is broke and can afford to pay for them.

America can easily pay for shelters. There hasn't been an indication that Russia is going to nuke America. He may be in war in Ukraine but he isn't suicidal.

 

[Zavulon]

Russia will face opposition if they used even a tactical nuke. Not even China would support Russia if they drop nukes.

If I were Putin, and I say this as a Canadian with no skin in the game; I would find an offramp with a peace deal and work on the global economy.

This war will remain a stalemate for at least three more years without a peace deal. Russia might eventually win in the end, but it would be at such a price that it wouldn't even feel like a victory.

Yes, Russia will face strong opposition. Even tactical nukes usage means the end of non-proliferation treaty and small nuclear club will become larger and lesser exclusive. More nukes, more buttons to push, less safety for everyone.
But, in certain circumstances it might become the "lesser evil".
And, talking about the Russian feelings.... As they sing: "All what we need, is the victory. One for all of us, and we'll pay any price".

 

[Zavulon]

I'm not advocating for starting a war.

The question was asked, "Why didn't Europe prepare shelters for their people?"

The answer is obvious. The United States is broke and can afford to pay for them.

Do you think, that it's United States who need pay for European shelters?

 

[shockedcanadian]

Yes, Russia will face strong opposition. Even tactical nukes usage means the end of non-proliferation treaty and small nuclear club will become larger and lesser exclusive. More nukes, more buttons to push, less safety for everyone.
But, in certain circumstances it might become the "lesser evil".
And, talking about the Russian feelings.... As they sing: "All what we need, is the victory. One for all of us, and we'll pay any price".

That price could end up being far more than citizens understand. Nothing changes a nation more than so many dead young men and their now childless Mothers.

 

[DStar777]

Some interesting info about Russian nukes vs US nukes from one who, apparently knows quite a bit (this is copied from a post on another forum)

Russia has liquid fueled ICBMs. The US has solid rocket fueled ICBMs.
Whats the difference?

Liquid fueled ICBMs take 60-90 minutes to fuel before launch and they can't be fueled until they are ready for launch.

The choice of liquid propellant also influence's other technology choices. liquid propellants are cryogenically cooled to temperatures approaching absolute zero. The cryogenic coolers make the missile less mobile and more difficult to prepare to fire. liquid oxygen and hydrogen can not be transferred to the rocket days or even several hours before launch as the fuel will warm up, expand, making the pressure too high for the internal valving to handle.

This fueling process makes the Russian ICBMs vulnerable to attack during the fueling process as everyone is watching.

Our solid rocket missiles can be launched in 10 minutes from silos in the US. Additionally, our subs actually lay on the bottom of Russian harbors tracking navel activity and have done so for over 30 years.

Any indication that Russia is fueling an ICBM would draw an immediate response from one of our subs that have a 5 minute response time. A simple cruise missile response is all that is needed.

Which makes the entire Russian ICBM inventory a deterrent force and not a first strike force.

If Putin was dumb enough to start the fueling process, the entire Russian command knows what the response would be before a single missile left the ground and they would be convinced that the incoming birds would be a nuclear response.

This is why Russia is not a first strike threat to any nation. And just an FYI, if they were to start the fueling process, there is no way of knowing where the missile is targeted until after launch and a trajectory could be determined. Meaning, everyone is going to assume its headed for them.

 

[Zavulon]

That price could end up being far more than citizens understand. Nothing changes a nation more than so many dead young men and their now childless Mothers.

Really? Do you think that Russian women doesn't understand what the word "war" mean? Back in XX century Russia faced two world wars, two revolutionary wars (with civil wars), and a lot of lesser conflicts. In XIX century they suffered Napoleon's invasion and a lot of lesser conflicts. There were Sweden, Lithuanian, Polish invasion, which whiped out more than 30% of their population and so on, there have been (sometimes) total genocide of Russians on occupied territories... And they do know, that it's much better when boys are dying with weapons in their hands, fighting against Western barbarians, than western barbarians genocide men, women and children.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Really? Do you think that Russian women doesn't understand what the word "war" mean? Back in XX century Russia faced two world wars, two revolutionary wars (with civil wars), and a lot of lesser conflicts. In XIX century they suffered Napoleon's invasion and a lot of lesser conflicts. There were Sweden, Lithuanian, Polish invasion, which whiped out more than 30% of their population and so on, there have been (sometimes) total genocide of Russians on occupied territories... And they do know, that it's much better when boys are dying with weapons in their hands, fighting against Western barbarians, than western barbarians genocide men, women and children.

The number of Russian men dying is far more than Putin anticipated.

There is a reason N Korea sent soldiers and a reason why Russia signed a mutual defense agreement with N Korea.

As my grandfather said, "those who love war have never fought in one".

This includes leaders as well.

 

[Darkwind]

Do you think, that it's United States who need pay for European shelters?

I think that Europe considers the United States their own personal piggy bank and expect us to pay for everything while they spent their tax revenues on left wing social programs.

 

[Zavulon]

Some interesting info about Russian nukes vs US nukes from one who, apparently knows quite a bit (this is copied from a post on another forum)

Oh, my....
If you want to read something about Russian ICBMs (and other nuclear forces) you should start from here:

Russian nuclear weapons, 2024

Russia is modernizing all its Soviet-era nuclear-capable systems. We estimate that Russia now possesses about 4,380 nuclear warheads.

thebulletin.org

 

[Zavulon]

The number of Russian men dying is far more than Putin anticipated.

Really? Was it Putin who said you that?

There is a reason N Korea sent soldiers and a reason why Russia signed a mutual defense agreement with N Korea.

I very doubt about it.

As my grandfather said, "those who love war have never fought in one".

This includes leaders as well.

Actually, I know plenty of men, who fought in more than one local conflict and enjoyed them. As they say: "Warrior is not a proffesion, its a sexual orientation".

 

[GLASNOST]

Appears that the British were preparing for a nuke to be dropped. May have been very convincing disinformation by Putin. He could have driven his team to escalate within minutes of dropping a nuke and they would in a normal procedure and then picked up the phone and called it off, when in reality he had no plan to drop one at all.

Also, Russia is probably aware of at least a couple of traitors within the midst of the British and/or Americans and their allies. Instead of calling them back to Moscow and arresting them they can easily use them to spread misinformation during times of war.

Who knows. The world shouldn't try to find out though. It did seem that Putin was interesting in testing a tactical nuke just based on how loudly he was speaking of it.

MSN

www.msn.com

Vladimir Putin was apparently so close to launching a nuke in 2022 that Liz Truss spent her brief time in office preparing for the fallout. A new biography of Ms Truss claims the former prime minister spent her final days in No 10 examining weather maps and preparing for UK radiation cases after American spies warned her that Putin was dangerously close to pressing the button.

The ‘exquisite’ intelligence provided by the US concluded there was a 50% chance Russia could deploy a tactical nuclear weapon on the Ukrainian battlefields or test an even larger bomb

It's the West that is threatening Russia, not the other way around. As NATO keeps pushing closer and closer towards Russia you say nothng. But if Putin replies, "Good luck with that" you start crying and call it a threat.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... Nothing changes a nation more than so many dead young men and their now childless Mothers.

You know nothng. Grow up and stop playing video games.

 

[shockedcanadian]

You know nothng. Grow up and stop playing video games.

I know what I know. Telling me I don't know anything isn't an argument.

This isn't the Russia of WWII, citizens aren't nearly as invested in this war as they were when the Germans were attackign Stalingrad. Maybe it's time for you to understand the difference.