Puerto Rico The American S**thole

[dannyboys]

Just read an article (sorry, no link) where there are 330,000 vacant homes on the island. In addition, tens of thousands live in cobbled together shacks with no running water, electricity, or sewage on land they don't own.

Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?

Or this place:

After the lengthy process, FEMA gives money to rebuild homes and the owners don't use it for that purpose. And how do you restore services to neighborhoods that don't officially exist?

Do you think that if Puerto Rico became an actually US state, and was in fact part of the United States... you know the name of our country... do you think the problems we see there would still exist?
I don't know. What do you think?

The myth that PR will EVER become a state is just that. You might as well suggest that the US would make Haitai an American state.

 

[dannyboys]

Just read an article (sorry, no link) where there are 330,000 vacant homes on the island. In addition, tens of thousands live in cobbled together shacks with no running water, electricity, or sewage on land they don't own.

Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?

Or this place:

After the lengthy process, FEMA gives money to rebuild homes and the owners don't use it for that purpose. And how do you restore services to neighborhoods that don't officially exist?

Do you think that if Puerto Rico became an actually US state, and was in fact part of the United States... you know the name of our country... do you think the problems we see there would still exist?
I don't know. What do you think?

You cannot change an ages-old mindset. It comes from the time Spain ran the place, the same one in all Hispanic nations.

I highly doubt that.
I honestly believe that it is simply a matter of economic incentives.

The exact same problem with the crap sticks of Miss, or Alabama, is the same problem in Puerto Rico. We have institutions that promote staying in crappy situations.

This is the same problem with all people stuck in the welfare system.

If you subsidize crap life styles, more people stay in crappy life styles. When I worked at Wendy's we had a lady that came in, told us she intended to only work until she qualified for welfare again, and sure enough the day she qualified, she stopped showing up for work. That lady will be poor and impoverished until she dies, and it is entirely the result of the welfare state.

Now my understanding of Puerto Rico is that they have tons of government support, which is why for example the subsidized electricity system is broke, and they don't have money to restore power.

Well subsidized electricity seems like a great idea, because it allows people to stay in low-income living conditions... until of course that cheap power can't be restored because the system has no money to make repairs.

Solution to Puerto Rico, and Alabama, and everywhere else with these problems, is to simply cut government support for bad life styles.

If they didn't get paid to quit Wendy's and live off the government, they wouldn't. They would find a way to move up the income ladder, and better themselves. This would equally cause more tax revenue for the government, which would support the basic needs of society, like police, fire, roads and so on. Of course without subsidized power, the power company (being privatized) would charge a price high enough to cover fixing and maintaining the power grid. Why? Because in a capitalist system, customers without power, don't pay the power company. In order to make more profit, they'll make sure they have more customers.

I do not believe this idea that it is simply a "Spanish mentality". Or any mentality tied to a race. It is simply the results of economic incentives.

If they imposed the same incentives in Sweden or Germany, they would end up with the same problems.

You can't compare Puerto Rica to a state because it's not a state. It's a Caribbean island that happens to be a US territory. Officially a U.S. commonwealth, Puerto Rico is treated in some ways like a foreign country, in other ways like a state, and in still other ways unlike anywhere else. But it has never had full control over its destiny. The best thing for Puerto Rica and the US is independence from the US. It would no longer be confined by US laws, taxes, and regulations. It would be able to operate as other Caribbean Islands do. If not independence, statehood would be the best next alternative, but we know that's not going to happen. The worse case is to remain part of the US in some ways and a foreign country in other ways.

I think we can compare economic incentives between the US and anywhere.

That said, I would rather that they choose in, or out of the US, and not some sort of stuck in the middle quasi state status.

However, I don't necessarily think that being completely independent is automatically a win. Depends on how they handle it. They could easily end up destroying themselves like Jamaica or Haiti.

Beyond that, why would they not become a state again? My understanding from the BBC on this, was that the push for formally adopting state hood inside Puerto Rico was higher today than at any time in history, and that the last vote on the matter only failed by a very slim margin.
Why do you assume it will never happen?

Sorry pal. It's NOT the PR people who would decide if the shithole would become a state.

 

[whitehall]

We should have given P.R. it's independence after P.R. nationalists tried to murder President Harry Truman. For some reason it seemed important for president Clinton to pardon all the members of the bomber terrorist Puerto Rican FALN gang who were doing time in N.Y. prisons. The MSM never asked him why.

 

[TheOldSchool]

We don't need to know them in order to see that they live in a shithole. The pictures effectively prove that.

Hey dipshit, that photo in the OP isn't even of Puerto Rico. Congratulations, dumbass.

yep it's a pick of Mexico..

Will this one do?

That's Haiti. Dipshit.

Isnt it funny how all shit holes look alike?

I hope a tornado destroys your home

 

[Andylusion]

Just read an article (sorry, no link) where there are 330,000 vacant homes on the island. In addition, tens of thousands live in cobbled together shacks with no running water, electricity, or sewage on land they don't own.

Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?

Or this place:

After the lengthy process, FEMA gives money to rebuild homes and the owners don't use it for that purpose. And how do you restore services to neighborhoods that don't officially exist?

Do you think that if Puerto Rico became an actually US state, and was in fact part of the United States... you know the name of our country... do you think the problems we see there would still exist?
I don't know. What do you think?

The myth that PR will EVER become a state is just that. You might as well suggest that the US would make Haitai an American state.

Ok.... So why? I'm confused. Why would this be a problem? The chances of them becoming independent seem far less likely.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Why do you libtards have to hate everything about America that is decent, wholesome and pure?

Spain had peace before the boiler exploded on the Maine and we started grabbing their possessions. It was stolen..in a decent wholesome and pure way of course.

Spain agreed to peace at the price of giving up PR.

You are an America hating idiot.

 

[Flopper]

Just read an article (sorry, no link) where there are 330,000 vacant homes on the island. In addition, tens of thousands live in cobbled together shacks with no running water, electricity, or sewage on land they don't own.

Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?

Or this place:

After the lengthy process, FEMA gives money to rebuild homes and the owners don't use it for that purpose. And how do you restore services to neighborhoods that don't officially exist?

"Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?"

Wanna bet huh? I was just there. No, a lot of those places don't have power or water. Great job judging people you don't know jack shit about though, asshole.

All those empty homes you're talking about? Most will be registered voters in Florida and other states now. One positive, I suppose, to draw from Trump and his sheep's callous hostility against the American citizens living on the island.

Puerto Rica is a beautiful place as are the people but it is poor. I have a friend in Puerto Rica who tells me the airport in San Juan is filled with people migrating to the states. There is a lot of rebuilding started but there is so much to be done and not much money available.

AND NO, it's not a shit hole. It's a beautiful place.

I have vacationed in PR and it is a beautiful place.

Wife and I rented a car and drove around and its cities are beautiful and safe at night, at least where I went.

Every state has slums and dangerous areas, but the worst should not be take as representing the whole island.

If my kids lived nearby PR my wife and I were considering retiring there. But we chose the Shenandoah valley instead, another beautiful place on Gods Earth.

And they all speak ENGRISH!

I agree Puerto Rico is a beautiful place but like most Caribbean islands, it is relatively poor.

The Puerto Rican government exercises only those powers that Congress allows. In other words, it is still a colony. Decades of U.S. colonial rule transformed Puerto Rico into a vast sugar plantation controlled by absentee corporations and a prized military base for protecting the Panama Canal. It became a land of beggars and millionaires. The threat posed by the cold war and Cuba brought in a lot dollars to support the military presence on the island. As the threat of the cold war and Cuba diminished so did congressional interest.

With the exception of recovering from the hurricane, the biggest problem is caused by the two political parties, the Statehood and Commonwealth parties. They have campaigned for decades to resolve Puerto Rico’s political status. Yet, both parties share responsibility for the island’s escalating debt, and neither has been able to stop Puerto Rico’s economic decline. The answer to Puerto Rica's problems lies in moving away from colony status toward either independence or statehood. Until that is resolved, the slow economic decline will continue.

 

[Syriusly]

Just read an article (sorry, no link) where there are 330,000 vacant homes on the island. In addition, tens of thousands live in cobbled together shacks with no running water, electricity, or sewage on land they don't own.Next >

Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?

Or this place:

After the lengthy process, FEMA gives money to rebuild homes and the owners don't use it for that purpose. And how do you restore services to neighborhoods that don't officially exist?

Disaster hits a part of the United States and all Longknife can do is shit on it.

You can't tolerate the truth?

Clearly you can't stop making up 'the truth' in order to denigrate America and our citizens.

 

[Syriusly]

Just read an article (sorry, no link) where there are 330,000 vacant homes on the island. In addition, tens of thousands live in cobbled together shacks with no running water, electricity, or sewage on land they don't own.

Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?

Or this place:

After the lengthy process, FEMA gives money to rebuild homes and the owners don't use it for that purpose. And how do you restore services to neighborhoods that don't officially exist?

Do you think that if Puerto Rico became an actually US state, and was in fact part of the United States... you know the name of our country... do you think the problems we see there would still exist?
I don't know. What do you think?

You cannot change an ages-old mindset. It comes from the time Spain ran the place, the same one in all Hispanic nations.

You mean like Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas?

All run by Spain at one time.

 

[Syriusly]

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Then the facts come out, there are no jobs. The government has control over most of the economy, and foreign investment is forbidden by law, so everyone is impoverished and poor. Great countryside, and millions in the US because it sucks there. It's a crap country. That's why they are here. If it wasn't a crap country, they would never have come here.

Funny how idiots love to talk about 'facts' and then just pull crap out of their ass like "Foreign investment is forbidden by law"

We have people coming to the United States from all over the world- not because Ireland or Norway or Japan are 'crap countries' but because there are opportunities here.

PR has lots of challenges- the American citizens in the PR don't leave the PR because they think it is a 'shithole', they leave it for better opportunities.

 

[Syriusly]

We should cut PR loose.

Bullshit! We stole it fair and square and we don`t like giving stuff back.

It was not stolen, you ******* liar. It was part of the price for peace and Spain gave it up to have peace.

It was BOUGHT fair and square.

Why do you libtards have to hate everything about America that is decent, wholesome and pure?

LOL- this is a thread by one of you contards calling PR a shithole.

Why do you contards have to hate everything about America- that is not both white and English speaking?

 

[longknife]

Just read an article (sorry, no link) where there are 330,000 vacant homes on the island. In addition, tens of thousands live in cobbled together shacks with no running water, electricity, or sewage on land they don't own.

Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?

Or this place:

After the lengthy process, FEMA gives money to rebuild homes and the owners don't use it for that purpose. And how do you restore services to neighborhoods that don't officially exist?

Do you think that if Puerto Rico became an actually US state, and was in fact part of the United States... you know the name of our country... do you think the problems we see there would still exist?
I don't know. What do you think?

You cannot change an ages-old mindset. It comes from the time Spain ran the place, the same one in all Hispanic nations.

You mean like Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas?

All run by Spain at one time.

And, with the exception of Kalifornya, all remnants of Spanish misrule have been erased.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Just read an article (sorry, no link) where there are 330,000 vacant homes on the island. In addition, tens of thousands live in cobbled together shacks with no running water, electricity, or sewage on land they don't own.

Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?

Or this place:

After the lengthy process, FEMA gives money to rebuild homes and the owners don't use it for that purpose. And how do you restore services to neighborhoods that don't officially exist?

"Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?"

Wanna bet huh? I was just there. No, a lot of those places don't have power or water. Great job judging people you don't know jack shit about though, asshole.

All those empty homes you're talking about? Most will be registered voters in Florida and other states now. One positive, I suppose, to draw from Trump and his sheep's callous hostility against the American citizens living on the island.

Puerto Rica is a beautiful place as are the people but it is poor. I have a friend in Puerto Rica who tells me the airport in San Juan is filled with people migrating to the states. There is a lot of rebuilding started but there is so much to be done and not much money available.

AND NO, it's not a shit hole. It's a beautiful place.

I have vacationed in PR and it is a beautiful place.

Wife and I rented a car and drove around and its cities are beautiful and safe at night, at least where I went.

Every state has slums and dangerous areas, but the worst should not be take as representing the whole island.

If my kids lived nearby PR my wife and I were considering retiring there. But we chose the Shenandoah valley instead, another beautiful place on Gods Earth.

And they all speak ENGRISH!

I agree Puerto Rico is a beautiful place but like most Caribbean islands, it is relatively poor.

The Puerto Rican government exercises only those powers that Congress allows. In other words, it is still a colony. Decades of U.S. colonial rule transformed Puerto Rico into a vast sugar plantation controlled by absentee corporations and a prized military base for protecting the Panama Canal. It became a land of beggars and millionaires. The threat posed by the cold war and Cuba brought in a lot dollars to support the military presence on the island. As the threat of the cold war and Cuba diminished so did congressional interest.

With the exception of recovering from the hurricane, the biggest problem is caused by the two political parties, the Statehood and Commonwealth parties. They have campaigned for decades to resolve Puerto Rico’s political status. Yet, both parties share responsibility for the island’s escalating debt, and neither has been able to stop Puerto Rico’s economic decline. The answer to Puerto Rica's problems lies in moving away from colony status toward either independence or statehood. Until that is resolved, the slow economic decline will continue.

I hope Puerto Rico becomes a state. It would be better for them and the US sense of being a country people still want to join.

As it is they are a territory which means they have zero political pull, in essence.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Just read an article (sorry, no link) where there are 330,000 vacant homes on the island. In addition, tens of thousands live in cobbled together shacks with no running water, electricity, or sewage on land they don't own.

Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?

Or this place:

After the lengthy process, FEMA gives money to rebuild homes and the owners don't use it for that purpose. And how do you restore services to neighborhoods that don't officially exist?

"Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?"

Wanna bet huh? I was just there. No, a lot of those places don't have power or water. Great job judging people you don't know jack shit about though, asshole.

All those empty homes you're talking about? Most will be registered voters in Florida and other states now. One positive, I suppose, to draw from Trump and his sheep's callous hostility against the American citizens living on the island.

Puerto Rica is a beautiful place as are the people but it is poor. I have a friend in Puerto Rica who tells me the airport in San Juan is filled with people migrating to the states. There is a lot of rebuilding started but there is so much to be done and not much money available.

AND NO, it's not a shit hole. It's a beautiful place.

I have vacationed in PR and it is a beautiful place.

Wife and I rented a car and drove around and its cities are beautiful and safe at night, at least where I went.

Every state has slums and dangerous areas, but the worst should not be take as representing the whole island.

If my kids lived nearby PR my wife and I were considering retiring there. But we chose the Shenandoah valley instead, another beautiful place on Gods Earth.

And they all speak ENGRISH!

I agree Puerto Rico is a beautiful place but like most Caribbean islands, it is relatively poor.

The Puerto Rican government exercises only those powers that Congress allows. In other words, it is still a colony. Decades of U.S. colonial rule transformed Puerto Rico into a vast sugar plantation controlled by absentee corporations and a prized military base for protecting the Panama Canal. It became a land of beggars and millionaires. The threat posed by the cold war and Cuba brought in a lot dollars to support the military presence on the island. As the threat of the cold war and Cuba diminished so did congressional interest.

With the exception of recovering from the hurricane, the biggest problem is caused by the two political parties, the Statehood and Commonwealth parties. They have campaigned for decades to resolve Puerto Rico’s political status. Yet, both parties share responsibility for the island’s escalating debt, and neither has been able to stop Puerto Rico’s economic decline. The answer to Puerto Rica's problems lies in moving away from colony status toward either independence or statehood. Until that is resolved, the slow economic decline will continue.

I hope Puerto Rico becomes a state. It would be better for them and the US sense of being a country people still want to join.

As it is they are a territory which means they have zero political pull, in essence.

I hope they become a state too but I think the island’s stuck in a shitty limbo for 1 or 2 generations.

 

[Flopper]

Just read an article (sorry, no link) where there are 330,000 vacant homes on the island. In addition, tens of thousands live in cobbled together shacks with no running water, electricity, or sewage on land they don't own.

Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?

Or this place:

After the lengthy process, FEMA gives money to rebuild homes and the owners don't use it for that purpose. And how do you restore services to neighborhoods that don't officially exist?

"Wanna bet these have all the utilities up and running?"

Wanna bet huh? I was just there. No, a lot of those places don't have power or water. Great job judging people you don't know jack shit about though, asshole.

All those empty homes you're talking about? Most will be registered voters in Florida and other states now. One positive, I suppose, to draw from Trump and his sheep's callous hostility against the American citizens living on the island.

Puerto Rica is a beautiful place as are the people but it is poor. I have a friend in Puerto Rica who tells me the airport in San Juan is filled with people migrating to the states. There is a lot of rebuilding started but there is so much to be done and not much money available.

AND NO, it's not a shit hole. It's a beautiful place.

I have vacationed in PR and it is a beautiful place.

Wife and I rented a car and drove around and its cities are beautiful and safe at night, at least where I went.

Every state has slums and dangerous areas, but the worst should not be take as representing the whole island.

If my kids lived nearby PR my wife and I were considering retiring there. But we chose the Shenandoah valley instead, another beautiful place on Gods Earth.

And they all speak ENGRISH!

I agree Puerto Rico is a beautiful place but like most Caribbean islands, it is relatively poor.

The Puerto Rican government exercises only those powers that Congress allows. In other words, it is still a colony. Decades of U.S. colonial rule transformed Puerto Rico into a vast sugar plantation controlled by absentee corporations and a prized military base for protecting the Panama Canal. It became a land of beggars and millionaires. The threat posed by the cold war and Cuba brought in a lot dollars to support the military presence on the island. As the threat of the cold war and Cuba diminished so did congressional interest.

With the exception of recovering from the hurricane, the biggest problem is caused by the two political parties, the Statehood and Commonwealth parties. They have campaigned for decades to resolve Puerto Rico’s political status. Yet, both parties share responsibility for the island’s escalating debt, and neither has been able to stop Puerto Rico’s economic decline. The answer to Puerto Rica's problems lies in moving away from colony status toward either independence or statehood. Until that is resolved, the slow economic decline will continue.

I hope Puerto Rico becomes a state. It would be better for them and the US sense of being a country people still want to join.

As it is they are a territory which means they have zero political pull, in essence.

Statehood would certainly benefit Puerto Rico over the long term but it is very unlikely to happen in the near future because it would almost surely be a blue state. That would mean two additional democrat senators plus democrat representatives. So it wouldn't happen without Democrat control of government. There are also a number of requirements the territory must meet which may require numerous changes in laws, taxation, and the constitution of the territory. Then there's the problem of the debt in Puerto Rico. Finally there has to be a current vote affirming that most of the citizens of the territory want statehood.