Public Schools Did Little To Prepare Them -

[OldLady]

They aren’t taught how to deal with what real life will throw at them.
Instant gratification, no responsibility for own failures, etc.
how to become self reliant, how to pick themselves up, dust off their pants, and start afresh, when they are pushed down.
.

Affirmative Affluenza

That makes them wannabe Preppies, who have no right to set the stage in a democracy. You should only criticize your own ideology; anything else is hypocritical.

Besides, real life throws very little at richkids that sticks; their powerful birth advantages easily overcome what would finish off those Unfortunate Sons you criticize. Holden Caulfield would not have suffered for his pointless drift and depression, yet he was publicized as a "typical adolescent."

"Pointless?" He lost his little brother.

 

[OldLady]

That's horseshit. I don't know what you want to do, put them in the corner with a dunce cap again? Laugh at whoever gets the lowest grade in the class? Turn them all into cutthroat competitors like the Japanese, who have an annoyingly high suicide rate among their students for not being able to measure up?

Life teaches us to overcome obstacles. It is total horseshit that schools are "coddling" them by letting them leave the school doors with a halfway positive attitude.

They need some adversity though. If they fail in school, they need to actually fail in school. If they finish the race sure, here is a participation ribbon but they better save the trophies and shiny stuff for those who finish top 3.

Look, we don't want a jaded world, but I'm listening to youth who are so ill prepared and uninformed that they embrace socialism, some, all to happy to have them even vote as kids!

No way on earth they embraced that because of some curiousity or appreciation of the system or it's consequences. We've all been young and dumb, I'm not expecting perfection. I am at least expecting them to understand you get what you put into life.

This is why some of us are libertarians. Stay out of the life of kids and citizens, provide guidelines and let us all rise to our personal potential. Or not. Much better than the alternative.

Look. I don't know what interactions you have with what group that makes you draw this conclusion. The young people I deal with don't have that problem and they are competitive as hell. Most of them these days that I work with have had their failures so deeply banged into their psyches that some of them will never be able to stand up again. That's not doing anyone any favors. That's a missed opportunity for a citizen to rise to his/her personal potential.

I remember a handful of professors from my college days. One was a history prof that I took Ancient Roman history from. Some of the texts we were reading, by ancient Roman historians, were mucky going. Yet I never heard him say "No, wrong" in response to a question. He was amazing. I never left his class feeling like an idiot. That is skill.

Why do folks feel that everything wrong with "kids today" is the fault of the schools, anyway? Ever think of the people raising them, such as yourself?

I agree with, I think teachers should be motivating, positive, not there to put you down or crush you. I've also had some good teachers who motivated me, others who were just strict and didn't allow for imagination and creativity.

In the end though, the kid has to want to improve. Want to learn and do well. If they don't, they cannot be given a free pass to the next grade.

This is not just the problem of the educators, it's also parents. However, when kids are being taught about socialism, being told to "go on strike" for climate change, gun control and other issues. It's clear they are being politicized.

Keep gender identity issues, politics and activism out of the classroom. Kids should be there to learn and compete against other nations. If they aren't willing to at least put in the effort, they can't be given something that another kid earned through hard work.

I agree with high expectations and reasonable but firm standards.

Keep gender identity issues, politics and activism out of the classroom. Kids should be there to learn and compete against other nations.

This seems to be the heart of your problem, but the three things you noted--gender identity issues, politics and activism--don't hinder learning in the least. Competing against other nations is a thing old fogies such as us worry about, not kids. Kids do learn at school if they are supported at home and have whatever help is needed to make sure they're safe and fed and can focus on these more esoteric things like academics.

It's not the heart of my problem, it's the heart of OUR problem. What about classes just courses on civil liberties, civics, your Constitution (or our discarded Charter of Rights), budget financing and the effects of personal debt. etc

Gender Identity and other social issues kids will learn in the world as they age, it's not applicable for work purposes, it's a non-issue except for people looking to have human robots to control at their very whim.

Sorry. IMO, it's YOUR problem.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I should have specified all those around them, not just schools.

We have a friend that owns a business, his daughter is office manager and deals with hr issues. Just the other day she was talking to me how so many of the young adults right out of college seem to have no ambition, come in late, want to leave early, and will do the minimum required to get by. If something comes up a little different from what they are used to, they can’t figure out on their own what to do, when it is simple.

She says she has had several even come up and state they have a headache, and can they just go rest for awhile on the clock. She tells them to take an aspirin or go home.
She stated they wear her out.

This girl is one of the biggest hearted I know, has the patience of a saint, and she is just so sick of it.

They aren’t taught how to deal with what real life will throw at them.
Instant gratification, no responsibility for own failures, etc.
They have absolutely no clue as to how to become self reliant, how to pick themselves up, dust off their pants, and start afresh, when they are pushed down.
I don’t mean all, but a majority.

That's horseshit. I don't know what you want to do, put them in the corner with a dunce cap again? Laugh at whoever gets the lowest grade in the class? Turn them all into cutthroat competitors like the Japanese, who have an annoyingly high suicide rate among their students for not being able to measure up?

Life teaches us to overcome obstacles. It is total horseshit that schools are "coddling" them by letting them leave the school doors with a halfway positive attitude.

Your Anecdote Shows That College Is for Teenagers Who Are Afraid to Grow Up

The ruling economic bullies better pay students, a higher salary than they can expect to get anywhere else at that age, instead of expecting to get good workers on the cheap. That will vastly increase the talent pool; those opposed to it only got accepted for college "education" because of the limited number of people willing to go through this unmotivating and unnatural indentured servitude.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I don't even look at anyone under 30 if I need somebody to help me work. I'll take 50 year olds all day, not only are they in better shape and know how to actually work, most aren't on the phone all the time.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

They aren’t taught how to deal with what real life will throw at them.
Instant gratification, no responsibility for own failures, etc.
how to become self reliant, how to pick themselves up, dust off their pants, and start afresh, when they are pushed down.
.

Affirmative Affluenza

That makes them wannabe Preppies, who have no right to set the stage in a democracy. You should only criticize your own ideology; anything else is hypocritical.

Besides, real life throws very little at richkids that sticks; their powerful birth advantages easily overcome what would finish off those Unfortunate Sons you criticize. Holden Caulfield would not have suffered for his pointless drift and depression, yet he was publicized as a "typical adolescent."

"Pointless?" He lost his little brother.

What He Caught in the Rye Was the Minds of a Sucker Generation

That wasn't what caused his spoiled-brat whining. Nor did it cause Johnny Cash's problem, no matter how much that trite explanation is pushed. If there were any truth to it, our nation would have become drug-addled escapist hippies centuries ago, because death in childhood used to incredibly common.

 

[OldLady]

They aren’t taught how to deal with what real life will throw at them.
Instant gratification, no responsibility for own failures, etc.
how to become self reliant, how to pick themselves up, dust off their pants, and start afresh, when they are pushed down.
.

Affirmative Affluenza

That makes them wannabe Preppies, who have no right to set the stage in a democracy. You should only criticize your own ideology; anything else is hypocritical.

Besides, real life throws very little at richkids that sticks; their powerful birth advantages easily overcome what would finish off those Unfortunate Sons you criticize. Holden Caulfield would not have suffered for his pointless drift and depression, yet he was publicized as a "typical adolescent."

"Pointless?" He lost his little brother.

What He Caught in the Rye Was the Minds of a Sucker Generation

That wasn't what caused his spoiled-brat whining. Nor did it cause Johnny Cash's problem, no matter how much that trite explanation is pushed. If there were any truth to it, our nation would have become drug-addled escapist hippies centuries ago, because death in childhood used to incredibly common.

It wasn't all of what made Holden Caufield who he was, but it was an important element of it. Salinger WAS drawing a portrait of the generation that had grown up during WWII and one of the common experiences was losing a brother, father, favorite cousin. Grief and loss.

 

[basquebromance]

THE AMERICAN EDUCATION SYSTEM SUCKS!

 

[bullwinkle]

THE AMERICAN EDUCATION SYSTEM SUCKS!

Where were you educated?

 

[basquebromance]

THE AMERICAN EDUCATION SYSTEM SUCKS!

Where were you educated?

UC Berkely

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

- for life in the big city. Participation trophies just for showing up, false self-esteem exercises, passing grades just for "effort", instant gratification for their wants and needs.

So the slightest thing sets them off. They are psychologically stunted, probably for life.

And we let them vote. Oy vey.

Stress Mess: 3 In 5 Millennials Say Life More Stressful Now Than Ever Before - Study Finds

You have to struggle in order to deal with stresses. This is why they are all receptive to socialism, they see themselves as victims, they themselves haven't dealt with adversity, they are too afraid to go out and get it.

If you live a difficult life, you become hardened, someone jaded, but you learn to only bend, not break. Often when you bend, you snap back with vigor. A new generation weaned on video games, iphones and compulsive over protective society, and the end result are unprepared adults.

One of the reasons I believe in military conscription. Do two years and become a different person with an appreciation for what difficult is. I could have used that commitment to others myself, and I considered seriously pursuing it, and I definitely know of many who could have used it, some strict rules to follow, even if just temporarily.

As it were, I learned to be toughened the old fashioned way, being thrown to the wolves. Never break.

Who exactly are you going to ride herd on these morons in the military? There would not be enough hours in the day to handle the disciplinary problems alone. Two years is not long enough to train anyone other than to push a broom or cut grass. The military wants nothing to do with dumbasses. They already have a job to do!

 

[Disir]

Meanwhile, getting into an argument with a partner was the second greatest source of stress for participants overall,

Their source is this:


Sample 1: Individuals With Knee OA and Their Spouses
Participants included 145 adults and their spouses. To be eligible for the study, patients had to be diagnosed with knee OA by a physician, experience usual knee pain of moderate or greater intensity, be at least 50 years of age, and be married or in a long-term relationship (self-defined) in which they shared a residence with their partner. Exclusion criteria were also applied [19]. Patients were excluded if they had a comorbid diagnosis of fibromyalgia or rheumatoid arthritis because these conditions differ from OA in their causes, symptoms, and treatments. Patients and spouses were excluded if they used a wheelchair because the larger study included an assessment of daily physical activity using accelerometry. In addition, patients were excluded if they planned to have hip or knee surgery within the following 6 months because the larger study examined long-term change in patient functioning and surgical intervention would have been a confounding factor. Spouses were excluded from the study if they had arthritis pain of moderate or greater intensity or required assistance with personal care activities. These criteria helped us to ensure that even if both partners experienced OA, one of them had more severe symptoms and required more assistance with daily activities (i.e., the “patient”) than the other (i.e., the spouse).
Daily Marital Tension and Symptom Severity in Older Adults With Diabetes or Osteoarthritis

Include the second half of the sentence:Meanwhile, getting into an argument with a partner was the second greatest source of stress for participants overall, but nearly 1 in 5 agreed that getting zero “likes” on a social media post is a more stress-inducing experience.

Taken from:
These are the findings of a preliminary study presented at the British Psychological Society's Annual Conference in Brighton on Wednesday 3 May 2017, by Dr Martin Graff from University of South Wales.

A total of 340 participants recruited via Twitter and Facebook completed personality questionnaires. They were also asked to say how much they agreed or disagreed with 25 statements relating to the ways people appreciate being valued on social media. For example 'the attention I get from social media makes me feel good' or 'I consider someone popular based on the amount of likes they get'.

Analysis revealed that participants who said they went out of their way to get more likes (such as asking others or paying) were more likely to have low self-esteem and be less trusting. The same was true of those who admitted deleting posts or making a picture their profile picture on account of the number of likes it received.

The results also showed that receiving likes didn't actually make people feel any better about themselves or make them feel better when they were down.
Facebook likes don't make you feel better

It appears that the Stress Mess is most definitely a mess. I can think of multiple reasons to slam millennials but this is pretty damn shoddy work.

 

[sealybobo]

- for life in the big city. Participation trophies just for showing up, false self-esteem exercises, passing grades just for "effort", instant gratification for their wants and needs.

So the slightest thing sets them off. They are psychologically stunted, probably for life.

And we let them vote. Oy vey.

Stress Mess: 3 In 5 Millennials Say Life More Stressful Now Than Ever Before - Study Finds

Are we coming up on another republican Recession?

Are young people not finding work? I thought unemployment was at an all time low?

Are you a republican? I’m coming up with all the people republicans like to attack

Workers
Blacks
Women
Muslims
Mexicans
And now young people

How do republicans win elections?

 

[sealybobo]

- for life in the big city. Participation trophies just for showing up, false self-esteem exercises, passing grades just for "effort", instant gratification for their wants and needs.

So the slightest thing sets them off. They are psychologically stunted, probably for life.

And we let them vote. Oy vey.

Stress Mess: 3 In 5 Millennials Say Life More Stressful Now Than Ever Before - Study Finds

You have to struggle in order to deal with stresses. This is why they are all receptive to socialism, they see themselves as victims, they themselves haven't dealt with adversity, they are too afraid to go out and get it.

If you live a difficult life, you become hardened, someone jaded, but you learn to only bend, not break. Often when you bend, you snap back with vigor. A new generation weaned on video games, iphones and compulsive over protective society, and the end result are unprepared adults.

One of the reasons I believe in military conscription. Do two years and become a different person with an appreciation for what difficult is. I could have used that commitment to others myself, and I considered seriously pursuing it, and I definitely know of many who could have used it, some strict rules to follow, even if just temporarily.

As it were, I learned to be toughened the old fashioned way, being thrown to the wolves. Never break.

Who exactly are you going to ride herd on these morons in the military? There would not be enough hours in the day to handle the disciplinary problems alone. Two years is not long enough to train anyone other than to push a broom or cut grass. The military wants nothing to do with dumbasses. They already have a job to do!

And yet the alt right is recruiting white nationalists in the military.

Seems like the grunts can be shit heads.

Let’s face it it’s not our best and brightest who enlist.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

- for life in the big city. Participation trophies just for showing up, false self-esteem exercises, passing grades just for "effort", instant gratification for their wants and needs.

So the slightest thing sets them off. They are psychologically stunted, probably for life.

And we let them vote. Oy vey.

Stress Mess: 3 In 5 Millennials Say Life More Stressful Now Than Ever Before - Study Finds

Are we coming up on another republican Recession?

Are young people not finding work? I thought unemployment was at an all time low?

Are you a republican? I’m coming up with all the people republicans like to attack

Workers
Blacks
Women
Muslims
Mexicans
And now young people

I'm not attacking grossly immature young people, but the Democrats who made them so.

No, I'm not a Republican.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

- for life in the big city. Participation trophies just for showing up, false self-esteem exercises, passing grades just for "effort", instant gratification for their wants and needs.

So the slightest thing sets them off. They are psychologically stunted, probably for life.

And we let them vote. Oy vey.

Stress Mess: 3 In 5 Millennials Say Life More Stressful Now Than Ever Before - Study Finds

You have to struggle in order to deal with stresses. This is why they are all receptive to socialism, they see themselves as victims, they themselves haven't dealt with adversity, they are too afraid to go out and get it.

If you live a difficult life, you become hardened, someone jaded, but you learn to only bend, not break. Often when you bend, you snap back with vigor. A new generation weaned on video games, iphones and compulsive over protective society, and the end result are unprepared adults.

One of the reasons I believe in military conscription. Do two years and become a different person with an appreciation for what difficult is. I could have used that commitment to others myself, and I considered seriously pursuing it, and I definitely know of many who could have used it, some strict rules to follow, even if just temporarily.

As it were, I learned to be toughened the old fashioned way, being thrown to the wolves. Never break.

Who exactly are you going to ride herd on these morons in the military? There would not be enough hours in the day to handle the disciplinary problems alone. Two years is not long enough to train anyone other than to push a broom or cut grass. The military wants nothing to do with dumbasses. They already have a job to do!

And yet the alt right is recruiting white nationalists in the military.

Seems like the grunts can be shit heads.

Let’s face it it’s not our best and brightest who enlist.

The number of white nationalists in American society is so insignificant as to be nearly non-existent. Media has a habit of magnifying numbers and events to forward Democratic Party goals.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

They aren’t taught how to deal with what real life will throw at them.
Instant gratification, no responsibility for own failures, etc.
how to become self reliant, how to pick themselves up, dust off their pants, and start afresh, when they are pushed down.
.

Affirmative Affluenza

That makes them wannabe Preppies, who have no right to set the stage in a democracy. You should only criticize your own ideology; anything else is hypocritical.

Besides, real life throws very little at richkids that sticks; their powerful birth advantages easily overcome what would finish off those Unfortunate Sons you criticize. Holden Caulfield would not have suffered for his pointless drift and depression, yet he was publicized as a "typical adolescent."

"Pointless?" He lost his little brother.

What He Caught in the Rye Was the Minds of a Sucker Generation

That wasn't what caused his spoiled-brat whining. Nor did it cause Johnny Cash's problem, no matter how much that trite explanation is pushed. If there were any truth to it, our nation would have become drug-addled escapist hippies centuries ago, because death in childhood used to incredibly common.

Salinger WAS drawing a portrait of the generation that had grown up during WWII .

All That Glitters Is Tinsel

Although the media, which their Daddies own, made the spoiled richkid tantrum-throwers represent all recent generations, the only real Americans are those born in the White working class. Since free speech is only what is authorized by the upper-class outlets, young people of the type that had built this country were pushed back into becoming caged spectators at its destruction.

 

[SweetSue92]

They aren’t taught how to deal with what real life will throw at them.
Instant gratification, no responsibility for own failures, etc.
They have absolutely no clue as to how to become self reliant, how to pick themselves up, dust off their pants, and start afresh, when they are pushed down.
I don’t mean all, but a majority.

That's horseshit. I don't know what you want to do, put them in the corner with a dunce cap again? Laugh at whoever gets the lowest grade in the class? Turn them all into cutthroat competitors like the Japanese, who have an annoyingly high suicide rate among their students for not being able to measure up?

Life teaches us to overcome obstacles. It is total horseshit that schools are "coddling" them by letting them leave the school doors with a halfway positive attitude.

They need some adversity though. If they fail in school, they need to actually fail in school. If they finish the race sure, here is a participation ribbon but they better save the trophies and shiny stuff for those who finish top 3.

Look, we don't want a jaded world, but I'm listening to youth who are so ill prepared and uninformed that they embrace socialism, some, all to happy to have them even vote as kids!

No way on earth they embraced that because of some curiousity or appreciation of the system or it's consequences. We've all been young and dumb, I'm not expecting perfection. I am at least expecting them to understand you get what you put into life.

This is why some of us are libertarians. Stay out of the life of kids and citizens, provide guidelines and let us all rise to our personal potential. Or not. Much better than the alternative.

Look. I don't know what interactions you have with what group that makes you draw this conclusion. The young people I deal with don't have that problem and they are competitive as hell. Most of them these days that I work with have had their failures so deeply banged into their psyches that some of them will never be able to stand up again. That's not doing anyone any favors. That's a missed opportunity for a citizen to rise to his/her personal potential.

I remember a handful of professors from my college days. One was a history prof that I took Ancient Roman history from. Some of the texts we were reading, by ancient Roman historians, were mucky going. Yet I never heard him say "No, wrong" in response to a question. He was amazing. I never left his class feeling like an idiot. That is skill.

Why do folks feel that everything wrong with "kids today" is the fault of the schools, anyway? Ever think of the people raising them, such as yourself?

I've got a great example that I have cited many times.

Long about the turn of the century, it was very popular on the teacher blogs to "do away" with the simple elimination games of childhood. In the area I teach, I have a zillion of them--singing variations of "eeney meeny minie moe". The kind of games we all played on the playground where EVERYone was eliminated in the end but one, and that child was "it".

The advice coming out of whatever Bad Advice Machinery at the time was that these games were 'exculsionary' and 'hurt feelings'. When I read this advice, I already had about 5-8 years of teaching under my belt. I had watched my students handle the fleeting disappointment of being "out" and quickly recover. I had watched them buck up under that disappointment. I had watched the few students who could not LEARN to buck up under POSITIVE peer pressure...."stop crying, it's just a game!"

So I rejected that advice, closed my door, and kept up with the games. I knew I was going against the grain however. The "new" wisdom was that we were to protect these students delicate feelings like tender little eggs.

15 years later--look at the mess we have. A mess of anxiety, depression, incapacity on campus, perpetual childhood. Children not allowed to fail or feel disappointment in anything--so every failure it cataclysmic. It's awful.

What happened, btw, this new instinct to coddle their delicate feelings--was an outgrowth of the self-esteem movement. Which has been de-bunked as a theory, and is largely hogwash. At best, if you teach a child to feel good about himself just because, you raise an empty-headed narcissist. At worst, you raise a crippled neurotic who relies entirely on the opinion of others for validation. In either case, it hobbles people.

 

[denmark]

THE AMERICAN EDUCATION SYSTEM SUCKS!

Where were you educated?

UC Berkely

What a con artist. You can’t even spell that university city correctly.
You have sour grapes about education because you never made it to college?

 

[ralfy]

Been going on for decades. Hence, the idea of American self-entitlement and exceptionalism.

 

[jasonnfree]

I don't even look at anyone under 30 if I need somebody to help me work. I'll take 50 year olds all day, not only are they in better shape and know how to actually work, most aren't on the phone all the time.

Or typing stupid right wing crap on the computer all the time like you do.