Public Debate On The Special Prosecutor's Report On Biden On Documents Is Damning For Legal System!

[Frankenstein]

Idiot of course after they were found. You sound like you discovered the holy grail but keep looking maybe you will get lucky

They reported it to Biden and he returned the documents

Duh

He shouldn't have had them in the first place that is the issue!

 

[Kilroy2]

Trump had the legal authority to have his classified documents, which he kept under lock and key. Biden had NO legal rights to any of the material he had that goes back to 2015. I think the documents found in Biden's garage was the junk pile of things the Chinese and the Arabs didn't need. What they wanted were the classified documents Biden "stored" at Penn State University. And all of a sudden, China forked over 258 million dollars to Penn. for some reason.
Biden has been committing treason for a good while now...

Once Trump leaves office he has no legal authority to have classified documents.

Biden return all documents without a raid.

2022
Nov. 2: Biden’s lawyers discovered documents, some with classification markings,
That same day, the White House Counsel’s Office notified the National Archives and Records Administration and the agency took the materials Nov. 3.

Dec. 20: Biden’s personal attorneys searched his Wilmington’s home garage and "identified a small number of potential records bearing classified markings," Once the attorneys identified these documents, they stopped their search because they didn’t have security clearances and informed the Justice Department

Penn like other Universities benefit from donations from various sources. usually they have to have a Chinese program that attracts donations from China. Donations improve changes for Chinese students to be accepted by that University.

It should be noted that even though Taiwan and Hog Kong population is mostly Chinese descendants, it is not part of China but gets grouped in with Chinese category

China for years has been a steady donor to various universities. Why because they want Chinese students to be accepted at certain universities. Not because Biden has an office off campus

Harvard Leads U.S. Colleges That Received $1 Billion From China

• USC, Penn also land gifts or contracts since the start of 2013
• More than 100 schools were recipients

As for the 2021 financials, a $32 million gift made to the University of Houston. The single donation to the University of Houston made the school the largest cumulative recipient of Chinese cash. So Universities not associated with Biden get Chinese contributions.

Harvard Leads U.S. Colleges That Received $1 Billion From China

Trade tensions between Beijing and Washington have been building for years, leading the Trump administration to label the Asian nation “a threat to the world.” Yet the tally of gifts and contracts from China to U.S. universities since the start of 2013 is approaching $1 billion.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[The Irish Ram]

Once Trump leaves office he has no legal authority to have classified documents.

Biden return all documents without a raid

He certainly does have the legal authority to the documents after he leaves office. Biden has NO legal authority to have classified documents going back to 1974. Who at Penn State is responsible for those highly restricted documents and why did China give all those millions to Penn State who turned around and gave Biden his cut?
What was in those specific documents? Was there anything China would be interested in? Or the Arabs, or Russia?

Returning documents doesn't neutralize the crime. If you rob a bank, do you get charged even if you return the money? Biden stole boxes and boxes of confidential material.

The raid on Trump was a Democrat stunt to make Trump look bad. And we are tired of it.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump has no independent authority to keep government documents.

 

[Nostra]

Once Trump leaves office he has no legal authority to have classified documents.

And Biden did?

 

[App'z]

They all have an independent reason to want Government Documents is a good thought.
Showing them to people outside the requirements to know is the criminality of Treason.
Well that is how I see it. Treason is how you do it.

You just got to know a guy with a Camera went thru every last page of it and its all out there somewhere.

 

[Kilroy2]

And Biden did?

The reply was based on a comment concerning Trump

I never implied that Biden had legal authority to have these documents. I

What you quoted was my response to another poster who said that Trump had legal authority to take classified document home

 

[HaShev]

Prior to this Monday February 5th release of this Special Prosecutor's Report on President Biden and his mishandling of classified documents I didn't think there was any there there. I thought it was a situation where Joe had boxes from his tenure as VP in his garage where he keeps his corvette that he didn't know what was in them he didn't know they contained classified documents it was a technical violation of the law. But with this release of the Special Prosecutor's report and the public discourse over it, it is clear Joe Biden broke the law and there is a double standard being applied with Trump charged and Biden not charged. The facts brought to light now are that Biden knew he had classified documents on Afghanistan that he kept because he needed them as a reference to write his memoir because one of Biden's big foreign policy agendas was that he always thought that America's policy on the Taliban and al qaeda in Afghanistan is that America's strategy should be a counter terrorism not counter insurgency strategy , America has no business in the nation building business for Afghanistan per Biden. Biden is on tape with his ghost writer acknowledging he has classified documents on Afghanistan.

Now that it is clear that the DOJ is using a double standard in prosecuting for crimes involving classified documents, Biden should clean up this mess for America; he can do so by doing the following. Wait until Donald Trump has secured the Republican nomination for the Presidency that is once Trump has enough delegates that no way Nikki Haley can acquire enough delegates to win the nomination then President Joseph Biden should pardon Donald Trump for all crimes involving mishandling of classified and non-classified documents related to his time as President. He should base it on two reasons. One to eliminate the appearance of a double standard in enforcing the law and to eliminate the appearance of a political party using the DOJ as a political weapon; this widespread perception is very damaging to the character of our nation as seen through the eyes of many Americans. Second, our country's system for protecting classified documents utilized in the President and Vice-President Office is egregiously irresponsible, devoid of intelligence and a national embarrassment and President Joe Biden should call for Congress to fix it. The system should mandate that when a President and Vice-President leaves office every box of documents they remove from the White House is checked by staff of the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) for classified documents if there is no time to check it because a new Presidential administration is moving into the White House then the boxes shall be moved to a secure location like in the Pentagon until all the boxes are screened. The system should mandate that once a Presidential election occurs and the results indicate that the current Presidential Administration will be departing, the process begins to secure all classified documents. It should be mandated that the White House shall be given two weeks to turn over to NARA all classified documents they don't need to do their job until the new President is sworn in and to list and allow to be labeled for inventory purposes all classified documents they are holding on to. After this two week period NARA should pick a night and have teams of staff go through the entire White House absent the President's living quarters checking all documents in the White House insuring all remaining classified documents have an inventory label those that don't should be confiscated with the White House staff later on being permitted to claim need on that document in which case it would be given an inventory number and returned to the White House staff. In the remaining administration days all classified documents created by the White House or given to the White House and kept by the White House as needed to do the work of the White House should be labeled with an inventory number. At the end of the President's term all boxes of documents a President and Vice-President intend to remove from the White House will not be released to them until all inventoried classified documents are accounted for.

A lot of commentary has been uttered on whether President Joe Biden did the right thing making a statement and taking a few questions on the Special Prosecutor's report this past Thursday evening to counter the Reports assessment that President Biden has significant cognitive impairment due to old age. I think that Biden made a smart move with this appearance he vigorously defended himself and he referenced the contents of the report which made the case for him not to be charged. However as any good lawyer will acknowledge in any case you're stuck with the facts and the facts are bad here if Trump was charged so should have Biden both committed wilful violation of the law. This appearance by Biden underscored and high lighted a serious problem Biden has, the appearance established that Biden has the cognitive ability to be President and to make excellent decisions on policy issues; but, it showed that Biden's mental ability has been significantly diminished with age in so far as he cannot contemporaneously think things through on every point he intends to make to avoid bad effects which means that Joe Biden's ability to be effective in doing the work required by the Presidency involving thinking on one's feet is not great it is not at the level a prudent people would want in their President. A lot has been made of his flub saying that President El Sisi was from Mexico instead of Egypt, that is not a big deal ordinary people flub words all the time. The problem was President Biden's characterization of the Israel government's actions in Gaza as "over-the-top" Biden's point was legitimate here and legitimate for a U.S. President to have but use of that phrase was undiplomatic and will bring a negative reaction from Israeli leaders and the country of Israelis allies notably in America. The point was legitimate in so far that the Palestinian Gaza civilian high casualty rate was predictable and predicted, the IDF should have targeted the Hamas tunnel system that is Hamas' magic wand and used Shin Bet and Mossad to do target kills of the Hamas leaders responsible for the October 7th attack. President Biden has a legitimate viewpoint that the way the world sees it America gives billions of dollars to Israel every year has opened it arms industry to Israel for years if it doesn't sell them weapons it helps them get the know how to build them and so is responsible for Israel's enormous military power and when Israel uses its military power immorally to kill thousands and thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians and subject tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians to torturous levels of starvation, deprivation of medical care and shelter and water and sanitation the world renders the verdict America is culpable in these immoral acts; that is why it is imperative that the Israeli government stop subjecting the practically two million Palestinian civilians in Gaza to this humanitarian catastrophe and this goal is what President Biden is zealously working for!

Thursday's appearance considering it was a rushed response where Biden had to be good on his feet so to speak showed Biden lost a step or two cognitively considering his overall handling of his defense on the documents issue. Biden's approach citing the reports language that the Special Prosecutor found "no willful intent" to break the law wrong way to go isn't buyable; the media knows well and good that there is a tape out there with Biden saying to his ghost writer he has classified documents on Afghanistan in his basement. Good analysis would have called for focusing on the few number of classified documents involved that they amounted to a very small percentage of the paperwork retained from his government service and he did not know that some of the boxes of documents were in his garage he thought they were all in the basement of his home. And Biden should have focused on the fact that the Special Prosecutor did a thorough investigation and found his wrongdoing did not rise to the level where he was criminally culpable as was the finding for the like investigation for former Vice-President Mike Pence!

Hur Report Omits Review of Nine Boxes of Biden Records Identified by Grassley-Johnson Oversight

Hur Report Omits Review of Nine Boxes of Biden Records Identified by Grassley-Johnson Oversight - The Iowa Standard

Department of Justice (DOJ) Special Counsel Robert Hur’s report on President Biden’s mishandling of classified documents omitted nine boxes of potentially classified records Sens. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) uncovered last March. Grassley and Johnson made the records’...

theiowastandard.com

 

[HaShev]

Joe Biden is GUILTY, remove this criminal from the ballot!
Indictment 1. President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen.
Indictment 2. President Biden knowingly and willfully removed, mishandled, and disclosed classified documents repeatedly over a period of decades.

and like you discovered, by them not prosecuting him they are manipulating the elections like they did in not prosecuting Hillary. And like you notice, they have no trouble trying to prosecute Trump to interfere with elections, so this situation is saying there are people above the law, especially those who create or enforce the laws and are trying to avoid jail sentences.

 

[App'z]

Being of sound mind and body Leaves Big Guy out of it. Maybe they can blame the next three guys down the forms lists Joe.
For me I will just pick a candidate that's fun and go with her or him. Even R.K. Jr. I see taking Government Documents home with
you are treason. Brain dead or not. How far back (you gotta prove all of them took secrets home with them ) do you have to go.

 

[BluesLegend]

and like you discovered, by them not prosecuting him they are manipulating the elections like they did in not prosecuting Hillary. And like you notice, they have no trouble trying to prosecute Trump to interfere with elections, so this situation is saying there are people above the law, especially those who create or enforce the laws and are trying to avoid jail sentences.

Dems are 100% CORRUPT rat bastards. It's hard to imagine who's more dishonest and devious, Democrats or Iran.

 

[talksalot]

Biden actually was the one who voluntarily turned them over and reported it. Honesty sometimes should be rewarded with no harm no foul.

Trump did not and was asked multiple times to turn them over and he refused.

That is a difference that republicans do not address instead it was other peoples fault and they believe that he declassified these documents with the spoken word.

The problem with the spoken word is that there is a procedures in place for declassification

other entities who have the same documents still believe that it is classified because no one told them that they were no longer classified.

Biden didn't care about those documents and thinks he's immune from the law.
But too many people know Biden had classified documents all over the place and was sharing them with his ghostwriter so they decided to get their story out there ahead of the mess.

"Boo Boo Biden came forward...." So everything is okay, now.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Mr. Trump (not President Biden) denied he had the documents, refused to return them, encouraged others to obstruct justice, and disgraced himself in front of God, angels, and all witnesses

 

[Kilroy2]

Biden didn't care about those documents and thinks he's immune from the law.
But too many people know Biden had classified documents all over the place and was sharing them with his ghostwriter so they decided to get their story out there ahead of the mess.

"Boo Boo Biden came forward...." So everything is okay, now.

I guess you missed the final report

Special counsel Robert Hur’s report released Thursday did not charge President Joe Biden with a crime

But Hur repeatedly reminded committee members that the most relevant statute at issue in the investigation requires that the unlawful retention of national defense information be willful — in other words, that it’s done with criminal intent.

Republican lawmakers appeared repeatedly aghast that Hur could have recommended against prosecution, particularly given the haphazard storage of classified documents.

case closed

Compare that to Trump . There is a tape where Trump is bragging and showing people classified information

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/politics/trump-classified-documents-audio/index.html

NARA knew trump had the documents. They asked for them to be returned. He refused. He also tries to turn over a few boxes and says that its all he has. Which is a lie

Criminal intent

He returned some of them but not all of them He also claims that is all he has.

criminal intent

Listen to audio exclusively obtained by CNN of a July 2021 conversation during which former President Donald Trump acknowledges he held on to a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran.

“These are the papers,” Trump says in the audio recording, while he’s discussing the Pentagon attack plans,

Trump’s statements on the audio recording, saying “these are the papers” and referring to something he calls “highly confidential” and seems to be showing others in the room, could undercut the former president’s claims in an interview last week with Fox News’ Bret Baier that he did not have any documents with him.

Telling lies

Now we have one of Trumps employees spilling his guts

. Butler told CNN how he unknowingly helped Nauta deliver boxes of classified information from Mar-a-Lago to the former president’s plane in June 2022 – the same day that Trump and his attorney were meeting with the Justice Department at Mar-a-Lago about the classified documents.

MSN


This guy knows it all and he is listed as employee 5. I wander what the others are saying

Criminal intent

Trump was asked to return the documents and he refused and tried to send some of them back and claim that this was all he had

 

[Kilroy2]

My God, you are one ignorant idiot. Try to look beyond that Madcow dude on MSDNC for your information. It's part of Hur's report.

How the ghostwriter of Biden's memoirs ended up in the center of a classified documents probe

President Joe Biden worked so closely with the ghostwriter he is accused of sharing government secrets with, Mark Zwonitzer, that he once declared that he’d trust the author “with my life.”

abcnews.go.com

How the ghostwriter of Biden's memoirs ended up in the center of a classified documents probe

President Joe Biden worked so closely with ghostwriter Mark Zwonitzer that he is accused of sharing government secrets with him.

apnews.com

Hur did his investigation, no charges filed because he could not find criminal intent. That is the only relevant source of information.

Sweet dreams prince of ignorance

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

Biden actually was the one who voluntarily turned them over and reported it. Honesty sometimes should be rewarded with no harm no foul.

Trump did not and was asked multiple times to turn them over and he refused.

That is a difference that republicans do not address instead it was other peoples fault and they believe that he declassified these documents with the spoken word.

The problem with the spoken word is that there is a procedures in place for declassification

other entities who have the same documents still believe that it is classified because no one told them that they were no longer classified.

You're full of shit

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Biden actually was the one who voluntarily turned them over and reported it. Honesty sometimes should be rewarded with no harm no foul.

Trump did not and was asked multiple times to turn them over and he refused.

That is a difference that republicans do not address instead it was other peoples fault and they believe that he declassified these documents with the spoken word.

The problem with the spoken word is that there is a procedures in place for declassification

other entities who have the same documents still believe that it is classified because no one told them that they were no longer classified.
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Whodatsaywhodat You're full of shit​

JESH​

Nah, whodatsaywhoda. You are full of shit. Kilroyd2 tells the truth, and you know it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Biden actually was the one who voluntarily turned them over and reported it. Honesty sometimes should be rewarded with no harm no foul.

Trump did not and was asked multiple times to turn them over and he refused.

That is a difference that republicans do not address instead it was other peoples fault and they believe that he declassified these documents with the spoken word.

The problem with the spoken word is that there is a procedures in place for declassification

other entities who have the same documents still believe that it is classified because no one told them that they were no longer classified.

After having them in his possession for 40 years he was about to get busted

 

[Kilroy2]

After having them in his possession for 40 years he was about to get busted

Do you have a source

So he had them for 40 years and they finally figured it out that he had them

Still he did voluntarily turn them in

its in the report

He was not raided unlike Trump

 

[Nostra]

Do you have a source

So he had them for 40 years and they finally figured it out that he had them

Still he did voluntarily turn them in

its in the report

He was not raided unlike Trump

Tater knew he had classified docs in 2017 when he gave them to his ghost writer who had no security clearance, Simp.

So this “He turned them over as soon as he figured out he had been stealing classified documents from numerous SCIFs for decades” canard was destroyed by the Hur report.