Zone1 Proof of hell

[Midnight FM]

I postulate that this proves that atheists know there is a hell.

Atheists say they don't believe in God, but if you ask an atheist why they don't rape and murder, they will more or less say they "just know" such things are wrong.

But if there is no hell, then the only reason an atheist would have not to do these things is fear of legal punishment, and it is possible to escape legal repercussions. But even then, an atheist will still believe there is some inherent reason not to do such things. I believe this shows that atheists know there is a hell or consequence for doing such things beyond mere potential legal punishment.

 

[alang1216]

I postulate that this proves that atheists know there is a hell.

Atheists say they don't believe in God, but if you ask an atheist why they don't rape and murder, they will more or less say they "just know" such things are wrong.

But if there is no hell, then the only reason an atheist would have not to do these things is fear of legal punishment, and it is possible to escape legal repercussions. But even then, an atheist will still believe there is some inherent reason not to do such things. I believe this shows that atheists know there is a hell or consequence for doing such things beyond mere potential legal punishment.

I guess hell is the only thing stopping you from raping and murderingl

 

[shockedcanadian]

I postulate that this proves that atheists know there is a hell.

Atheists say they don't believe in God, but if you ask an atheist why they don't rape and murder, they will more or less say they "just know" such things are wrong.

But if there is no hell, then the only reason an atheist would have not to do these things is fear of legal punishment, and it is possible to escape legal repercussions. But even then, an atheist will still believe there is some inherent reason not to do such things. I believe this shows that atheists know there is a hell or consequence for doing such things beyond mere potential legal punishment.

The heaven and hell, afterlife question is a difficult one to resolve. I struggle with it from time to time.

As one great French philosopher Pascal once pined, I would prefer to believe in G-d and his Commands which to me are very natural and advantageous for our species, than to be wrong and tempt fate in that matter.

The issue of what heaven and hell is, an afterlife, reincarnation etc. To me those are still all up in the air. We will all find out when our time comes I suppose.

I do know this though, if somewhere in the world even one legitimate paranormal experience occurred, be it something flying in the air, the spirit of a dead loved one, an unexplained incident and or ghost of a dog has been seen, well, we can then safely assume a spirit world of some sort exists beyond our senses.

This would also open up the door to everything, from the prospect of a heaven and hell to any other afterlife domain.

 

[dblack]

I postulate that this proves that atheists know there is a hell.

Atheists say they don't believe in God, but if you ask an atheist why they don't rape and murder, they will more or less say they "just know" such things are wrong.

But if there is no hell, then the only reason an atheist would have not to do these things is fear of legal punishment, and it is possible to escape legal repercussions. But even then, an atheist will still believe there is some inherent reason not to do such things. I believe this shows that atheists know there is a hell or consequence for doing such things beyond mere potential legal punishment.

So, if you didn't believe in God, would you go out raping and murdering?

 

[Cougarbear]

The heaven and hell, afterlife question is a difficult one to resolve. I struggle with it from time to time.

As one great French philosopher Pascal once pined, I would prefer to believe in G-d and his Commands which to me are very natural and advantageous for our species, than to be wrong and tempt fate in that matter.

The issue of what heaven and hell is, an afterlife, reincarnation etc. To me those are still all up in the air. We will all find out when our time comes I suppose.

I do know this though, if somewhere in the world even one legitimate paranormal experience occurred, be it something flying in the air, the spirit of a dead loved one, an unexplained incident and or ghost of a dog has been seen, well, we can then safely assume a spirit world of some sort exists beyond our senses.

This would also open up the door to everything, from the prospect of a heaven and hell to any other afterlife domain.

And, for millions who have had those kind of "paranormal experience" why do you not say they are legitimate? How many have to have after life experiences before you believe? What if you had an experience like they have had? Would you then believe in Christ? Just saying. All we have is our senses. This includes our spiritual senses as well. I've been given the gift of the Holy Ghost to receive personal revelation. Even before this, I received influence by the Holy Ghost to know there is more than meets the human eye. And, I cannot deny what I experienced.

Now, as to "hell" what is "hell." It's kind of like what is Christian or what is Jewish? The level of understanding will be different for the many religious groups and individual believers. We all have our free moral agency to choose for ourselves good and evil. In my Church (LDS), hell is not completely decided upon. Let me explain, Many believe that within the New Testament, hell is "Spirit Prison" where the wicked go and await their judgment and resurrection. I like the explanation of one of our past Apostles, Bruce R. McConkie's understanding the best. I believe that when we die, there are two resting places for our spirits, paradise and hell. Both, are places within Spirit Prison that is mentioned in 1Peter chapters three and four. King David cried to the Lord not to let his spirit remain in hell referring to the judgment and resurrection. Because of David's sins, that's where he resided for a time before he was allowed into paradise. So, you ask, where do the wicked, unrepented, and deniers and rejecters of the Holy Ghost go after the judgment and resurrection? They have no glory and do not receive a mansion in Heaven. There are 3 specific mansions mentioned in 1Corinthians chapter 15, Celestial, Terrestrial and Telestial (glory like the stars instead of the sun and moon in the sky). Those wicked who eventually bowed their knees and confessed Jesus is the Christ but deny everything else will receive Telestial Glory. I've heard in our Church that David will receive Telestial Glory. But, I believe that he has a chance for Terrestrial or Celestial Glory because he will not deny the Christ, the Messiah. So, "Hell" is a temporary place while Perdition is where the deniers of the Christ and Holy Ghost will remain forever and ever with Lucifer and his fallen angels.

 

[shockedcanadian]

And, for millions who have had those kind of "paranormal experience" why do you not say they are legitimate? How many have to have after life experiences before you believe? What if you had an experience like they have had? Would you then believe in Christ? Just saying. All we have is our senses. This includes our spiritual senses as well. I've been given the gift of the Holy Ghost to receive personal revelation. Even before this, I received influence by the Holy Ghost to know there is more than meets the human eye. And, I cannot deny what I experienced.

Now, as to "hell" what is "hell." It's kind of like what is Christian or what is Jewish? The level of understanding will be different for the many religious groups and individual believers. We all have our free moral agency to choose for ourselves good and evil. In my Church (LDS), hell is not completely decided upon. Let me explain, Many believe that within the New Testament, hell is "Spirit Prison" where the wicked go and await their judgment and resurrection. I like the explanation of one of our past Apostles, Bruce R. McConkie's understanding the best. I believe that when we die, there are two resting places for our spirits, paradise and hell. Both, are places within Spirit Prison that is mentioned in 1Peter chapters three and four. King David cried to the Lord not to let his spirit remain in hell referring to the judgment and resurrection. Because of David's sins, that's where he resided for a time before he was allowed into paradise. So, you ask, where do the wicked, unrepented, and deniers and rejecters of the Holy Ghost go after the judgment and resurrection? They have no glory and do not receive a mansion in Heaven. There are 3 specific mansions mentioned in 1Corinthians chapter 15, Celestial, Terrestrial and Telestial (glory like the stars instead of the sun and moon in the sky). Those wicked who eventually bowed their knees and confessed Jesus is the Christ but deny everything else will receive Telestial Glory. I've heard in our Church that David will receive Telestial Glory. But, I believe that he has a chance for Terrestrial or Celestial Glory because he will not deny the Christ, the Messiah. So, "Hell" is a temporary place while Perdition is where the deniers of the Christ and Holy Ghost will remain forever and ever with Lucifer and his fallen angels.

Well, my point is that many swear they have had a paranormal experience. As such, there must be a spirit world unless ever person lied or was delutional. Both hell.and heaven, like.G-d himself, we will all find out someday. We.can only hope that all is revealed at that point.

 

[Cougarbear]

Well, my point is that many swear they have had a paranormal experience. As such, there must be a spirit world unless ever person lied or was delutional. Both hell.and heaven, like.G-d himself, we will all find out someday. We.can only hope that all is revealed at that point.

And that is what faith is. Hoping that what is unseen is true. Few are given the knowledge and allowed to see. It's enough to keep hope alive for many until they can get that understanding of how the Gift of the Holy Ghost works to give you this peace of mind.

 

[BreezeWood]

I believe this shows that atheists know there is a hell or consequence for doing such things beyond mere potential legal punishment.

evolution tells everyone there are rewards and pitfalls to life and that everyone has the ability to contribute one way or another to the future and for some a means for their spirit to live past their physiological presence.

 

[Crepitus]

I postulate that this proves that atheists know there is a hell.

Atheists say they don't believe in God, but if you ask an atheist why they don't rape and murder, they will more or less say they "just know" such things are wrong.

But if there is no hell, then the only reason an atheist would have not to do these things is fear of legal punishment, and it is possible to escape legal repercussions. But even then, an atheist will still believe there is some inherent reason not to do such things. I believe this shows that atheists know there is a hell or consequence for doing such things beyond mere potential legal punishment.

Ah!! I finally get what religion is about!!

You guys don't have any empathy!!

That's what keeps the rest of us from doing things like that. We know it's bad because we know it would be bad if it happened to us.

You need the church to tell you raping and killing is bad because you can't imagine what it would like to be the victim!!

Thanks for explaining that.

 

[Meriweather]

You need the church to tell you raping and killing is bad

Except, the church talks about forgiveness....

 

[Crepitus]

Except, the church talks about forgiveness....

Oh, so you can rape and kill and get away with it?

That's even worse.

 

[Meriweather]

Oh, so you can rape and kill and get away with it?

That's even worse.

Reflect on the realities of one's own life which includes sin, albeit for the most part more minor than rape and murder. What comes before forgiveness? For most, we feel the consequences of the sin we have committed. There is restitution for that sin, usually combined with regret and remorse. For serious sin, there is also the penalty of imprisonment.

Let's return to focus solely on the person who was sinned against. Forgiveness of the other returns peace to one's own soul and the freedom to move on with one's own life independent of the rage, bitterness, and resentment that being sinned against caused.

Rape is particularly horrendous because one carries the scene of the crime, the place where sin took place within one. It needs to be severely punished because recidivism of rape is all too common.

Hope this clarifies the idea that one can kill and rape and get away with it.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

I postulate that this proves that atheists know there is a hell.

Atheists say they don't believe in God, but if you ask an atheist why they don't rape and murder, they will more or less say they "just know" such things are wrong.

But if there is no hell, then the only reason an atheist would have not to do these things is fear of legal punishment, and it is possible to escape legal repercussions. But even then, an atheist will still believe there is some inherent reason not to do such things. I believe this shows that atheists know there is a hell or consequence for doing such things beyond mere potential legal punishment.

As an actual Atheist, allow me to tackle this one.
I believe that if you (or anyone) steals, murders, or rapes people, such individuals should be "punished" by the legal system. Why?
Nobody likes their personal property that they worked for to be taken from them without their permission. I as an Atheist, have those same feelings. I don't want my personal property taken from me, so I don't take personal property from others. It's about having empathy for others. No god involved.
Nobody likes to see people murdered, especially those you know. I have family and friends. I don't want to see them murdered and whether there is reincarnation as some Hindus and Tibetan Buddhists believe or a heaven and hell as many believe, or nothing after death, you want to see good people and yourself live long healthy lives. No god involved.
Nobody likes to be raped, and you especially don't want to see anyone you know suffer the experience of being raped and unless you are some weird masochist, you don't want to be raped. It too is called empathy. No god involved.
Now here's an actual fact. I contacted Covid "twice" when it came around and the doc's said, I technically died twice, once during my time in the Emergency Room and once again, in the ICU. Here is what I experienced "while I was gone." Nothing. No people appearing to tell me it wasn't my time, no white light and no hell. Just blank. Having experienced that, I no longer am worried about being deceased. Oblivion just means you are unaware of anything anymore. If I am concerned about anything it would be the method of my demise and my daughter being able to take care of herself without me helping provide for her. The Covid one wasn't horrible. A violent method would not be a preferred way.
That's it...no god needed.

 

[Crepitus]

Reflect on the realities of one's own life which includes sin, albeit for the most part more minor than rape and murder. What comes before forgiveness? For most, we feel the consequences of the sin we have committed. There is restitution for that sin, usually combined with regret and remorse. For serious sin, there is also the penalty of imprisonment.

Let's return to focus solely on the person who was sinned against. Forgiveness of the other returns peace to one's own soul and the freedom to move on with one's own life independent of the rage, bitterness, and resentment that being sinned against caused.

Rape is particularly horrendous because one carries the scene of the crime, the place where sin took place within one. It needs to be severely punished because recidivism of rape is all too common.

Hope this clarifies the idea that one can kill and rape and get away with it.

YOu mean remorse. Is that what your ghod does? Gives you remorse?

 

[Meriweather]

YOu mean remorse. Is that what your ghod does? Gives you remorse?

Why the need to change me into someone you feel you can argue with in your own mind? If you can't address the points I made--or, if my points are not worth addressing--no need for further discussion.

 

[MarathonMike]

But if there is no hell, then the only reason an atheist would have not to do these things is fear of legal punishment

That is a totally baseless assumption. Non Christians treat other people the way they themselves wish to be treated. I don't have statistics but I would say that is true for the majority of Non Christians. It is common sense and compassion that is not tied to any formal religion.

 

[Moonglow]

I postulate that this proves that atheists know there is a hell.

Atheists say they don't believe in God, but if you ask an atheist why they don't rape and murder, they will more or less say they "just know" such things are wrong.

But if there is no hell, then the only reason an atheist would have not to do these things is fear of legal punishment, and it is possible to escape legal repercussions. But even then, an atheist will still believe there is some inherent reason not to do such things. I believe this shows that atheists know there is a hell or consequence for doing such things beyond mere potential legal punishment.

My Hell ends when I get divorced on Monday, the 28th.

 

[fncceo]

I guess hell is the only thing stopping you from raping and murderingl

That and the fact it requires too much energy.

I’ll just stay home and watch “Netflix”.

 

[braalian]

Typing G-d in place of the word ‘God’ is pretty ******* stupid

 

[frigidweirdo]

I postulate that this proves that atheists know there is a hell.

Atheists say they don't believe in God, but if you ask an atheist why they don't rape and murder, they will more or less say they "just know" such things are wrong.

But if there is no hell, then the only reason an atheist would have not to do these things is fear of legal punishment, and it is possible to escape legal repercussions. But even then, an atheist will still believe there is some inherent reason not to do such things. I believe this shows that atheists know there is a hell or consequence for doing such things beyond mere potential legal punishment.

That's not logical at all.

Human beings exist as human beings. We're not empty capsules ready to be filled with things. We don't go and kill just because we can.

We are born with lots of default modes. We are born with drugs that impact how we are as human beings. Girls are more likely to want to play with baby dolls, not because there's some kind of "doll hell" for boys, it's not FEAR of something REAL here. It's that their bodies actually want to do this because of how they are, genetically.

Hell is something created to put fear into people. Just like the boogieman. People believe, so they fear. But people will still act in a certain way without fear.