Progressive war on children

[PoliticalChic]

Pretending that liberals get what they want for educaation in this country is a flat out LIE.

whats new, lying is about all you people do anymore

I've always heard that in order to understand what Liberals are doing, simply look at what they accuse the other side of doing.....


....is that why you folks leap to the usage of the word "lie" so often?

 

[tjvh]

Because you dont want to get rid of the military but you do what to finish off our education system.

The Military IS a Constitutional requirement, the Teachers Unions are NOT.

 

[Agit8r]

The republican party does everything it can to sabatoge our education system.


We used to have the best in the world UNTIL the republicans started saying "dont throw money at it".

1. “Progressive Education is straight out of John Dewey's work. It's no accident that Dewey was one of the major inventors of both Progressive education and modern liberal Fascism. He was one of the triad that invented Pragmatism. (He called his version Instrumentalism.) He was also a social democrat and a proponent of doing away with classical education. All of these are intricately linked.

Pragmatism essentially teaches that there are no eternal truths, because there are no objective natural laws. Everything is in Heraclitean flux, forever shifting. All we can do is arrive at a social consensus of what is true. That view prepares the field for the educational agenda that Dewey advocated, one in which it would no longer consist of memorizing "dry facts" and performing boring cogitation with them. Instead, not just the child's mind but the "whole child" would be taught, chiefly by "socializing" him. I.e. what counts is not objective reality and what it requires of us to create values, but whatever others think is true and worthwhile. The political consequences are all around us.

Progressives are the consistent practitioners of what the Left has been preaching for three generations: social subjectivism, collectivism, and statism. “Shaving Leviathan: Dewey to Obama: Progressive Education and Politics


2. “The teacher is not in the school to impose certain ideas or to form certain habits in the child, but is there as a member of the community to select the influences which shall affect the child and to assist him in properly responding to these influences.”
John Dewey http://peopleforprogressiveeducation.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/dewey-what-the-school-is/



3. Competition is unhealthy. Grades are hurtful. Freedom over structure, and empathy over narrative. “Generations of children have been let down by so-called progressive education policies which have taught skills and "empathy" instead of bodies of knowledge, the shadow education secretary, Michael Gove, said yesterday.

A Conservative government would reinstate traditional styles of fact-based lessons, he told teachers at a conference at Brighton College in Sussex yesterday. It privileges temporary relevance over a permanent body of knowledge which should be passed on from generation to generation ..”
Children being failed by progressive teaching, say Tories | Education | The Guardian



I can see how important our children's education is to you.....so, you must agree that Liberal's must be removed from the process.

Agreed?

Which of these contrasting philosophies is most similar to what all the social-democracies that outrank us employ?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Because you dont want to get rid of the military but you do what to finish off our education system.

Have you read, or even heard of of the US Constitution?

It clearly authorizes the federal government to invest in the military.

It does not provide same for education.

 

[Truthmatters]

Jefferson: “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”

 

[Katzndogz]

There is a bright side to liberal education. We start sex ed in kindergarten. By the time an American student graduates high school they are educated in how to masterfully produce a world class orgasm. College introduces fetish, beastiality and bizarre sexual practices. American whores of both sexes and all genders will be highly paid and sought after around the world.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Money is what corporations use to make a corporate change.


That is just peachy with republicans.


Now tell me do you follow the same idea in your own home?


Dont throw any money at your childs education if you think money has nothing to do with education.

You KNOW in your hearts that line is an EVIL LIE

Corporations were quasi-private institutions....before Obama, that is.


The indoctrination....er, education system is both mandatory and government run.


See the dif?

so you prefer an uneducated population Unlike the founders?

Education....not indoctrination.

 

[Papageorgio]

You people scream that "throwing money at it" is wrong.

Now what does that stupid statement mean in reality?


Dont give education money.


Somehow in you peoplke minds its fine for a corporation to spend money on ANYTHING but its evil to spend money on education.

Anyone who uses the "dont throw money at it" line as any kind of real policy idea is scum

We spend more per child for education than any other country. We keep sinking lower and lower in the results. What is the answer?

we are 37th in spending.



why did you lie?

http://rossieronline.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/

Seriously, you equate percentage of GDP as spending amount.

 

[koshergrl]

Of course Liberal educrats ruin....er, run....the system.

And it's compounded by teacher's unions leaders.....even more Liberal.

how can you as a christian condon taking education from children to fund unwanted military equipment and tax shelters for millionaires.


how christiany of you

Hold on a moment while I consult the DaVinci Code to translate that post.....

What I have noticed about anti-Christian bigots....if you ever promote an idea that does not jibe with the progressive death cult, then YOU are un-Christian.

Apparently, criticism of progressivism (you know, abortions for all, government control/closure of churches, elimination of freedom of speech...) is "un-christiany".

In like manner, they like to quote scripture (always out of context) to show Christians the error of their ways. Apparently, progressives think the definition of Christianity is to silently accept, without criticism, violations of human rights, and offer no opinion whatever on many things...including our education system.

To be Christian is apparently to not participate in any conversation in which a progressive is holding forth.

Which makes sense, given their agenda, which is to destroy the churches and indoctrinate the (surviving) children in public schools with no interference or influence whatever from anything that could even be remotely associated with Christian values......

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is a bright side to liberal education. We start sex ed in kindergarten. By the time an American student graduates high school they are educated in how to masterfully produce a world class orgasm. College introduces fetish, beastiality and bizarre sexual practices. American whores of both sexes and all genders will be highly paid and sought after around the world.

So very true.

The import is to convince young adults that they are no different from any other animal....so, need not respect traditional Judeo-Christian values.


"It is very difficult for many people to acknowledge the low intellectual and moral level to which many professors and universities have fallen. On Feb. 21, the 600 Northwestern University students enrolled in the popular Human Sexuality course taught by professor John Michael Bailey were told that if they wished to stay after class -- it was clearly made optional -- they would see a live demonstration of female ejaculation, the subject of that day's class.

A naked young woman (not a student) would demonstrate a "f---saw" and come to orgasm in front of the students. About 120 students stayed.When word came out about this contribution to young people's understanding of life, the university defended it. Its official spokesman, Al Cubbage, released this statement:
"Northwestern University faculty members engage in teaching and research on a wide variety of topics, some of them controversial and at the leading edge of their respective disciplines. The university supports the efforts of its faculty to further the advancement of knowledge."

…In Bailey's class and Mr. Cubbage's statement, we have reached the logical culmination of the '60s and '70s. Instead of studying Dead White European Males, students get to study a young white living female ejaculating with a f---saw…. For four years, the American college student is taught that human beings are animals…. the exhibition is no different than watching a female baboon having sex.
http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2011/03/08/the_$50,000_orgasm/page/2

 

[Truthmatters]

The Condition of Education - Elementary and Secondary Education - Finance - Education Expenditures by Country - Indicator 22 (2012)

 

[Katzndogz]

Why College Kids Need a Course on Porn - Benjamin F. Carlson - The Atlantic Wire

Of the many things college kids need to learn—pretending to understand what "reification" is, for example—pornography might not seem to be the most urgent subject. Yet Shira Tarrant, associate professor of gender studies at California State University, Long Beach, thinks differently. She argues that accompanying the explosion of porn in modern life is a need for frank conversation about its impact, for good or ill. She explains:

How Porn Shapes Minds

Pornography both shapes and reflects assumptions about straight masculinity, female sexuality, expectations of beauty, and how women are treated -- particularly women of color. Porn has the potential to affect the sexual pleasure and safety of all.

Americans won't even need to count their own money. Chinese pimps will be doing it for them.

 

[Truthmatters]

your partys God said right out loud his aim was to kill the US government.


You refuse to help fix our education system and every time the subject comes up all the right can say is a round about line of bullpucky that in fact amounts to "our kids are not worth the money to educate them"

 

[PoliticalChic]

your partys God said right out loud his aim was to kill the US government.


You refuse to help fix our education system and every time the subject comes up all the right can say is a round about line of bullpucky that in fact amounts to "our kids are not worth the money to educate them"

According to the US Census Bureau, the average cost of education per student, 2005-2006 was $9,138.

But the Cato Institute explains that the actual costs are around triple the advertised figures “The figure for the District is $8,322 per child, but the real cost is about $25,000. What accounts for the nearly threefold difference in these numbers? The commonly cited figure counts only part of the local operating budget. To calculate total spending, we have to add up all sources of funding for education from kindergarten through 12th grade, excluding spending on charter schools and higher education.

For the current school year, the local operating budget is $831 million, including relevant expenses such as the teacher retirement fund. The capital budget is $218 million. The District receives about $85.5 million in federal funding. And the D.C. Council contributes an extra $81 million. Divide all that by the 49,422 students enrolled (for the 2007-08 year) and you end up with about $24,600 per child.”
The Real Cost of Public Schools | Cato Institute

 

[PoliticalChic]

Benefits of Public Education?
a. 35% of Democrats in Congress send their kids to private schoolhttp://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/05/our-view-on-improving-education-despite-success-school-choice-runs-into-new-barriers.html

b. 12.2% of families send their children to private school, and 17.5% of urban families, the same. But 21.5% of urban public school teachers send their children to private school, nearly double the national rate!

c. Urban public school households earning less than $42,000/year (approx. the median national income) send their children to private school at a rate of 14.9%, which is 4.6% higher than private school enrollment of all families at similar income levels. http://www.blackinformant.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/psteachers-ownkids.pdf

 

[Truthmatters]

the kids of our leaders are under the threat of insane people.


Do you not know this?

 

[Truthmatters]

your partys God said right out loud his aim was to kill the US government.


You refuse to help fix our education system and every time the subject comes up all the right can say is a round about line of bullpucky that in fact amounts to "our kids are not worth the money to educate them"

According to the US Census Bureau, the average cost of education per student, 2005-2006 was $9,138.

But the Cato Institute explains that the actual costs are around triple the advertised figures “The figure for the District is $8,322 per child, but the real cost is about $25,000. What accounts for the nearly threefold difference in these numbers? The commonly cited figure counts only part of the local operating budget. To calculate total spending, we have to add up all sources of funding for education from kindergarten through 12th grade, excluding spending on charter schools and higher education.

For the current school year, the local operating budget is $831 million, including relevant expenses such as the teacher retirement fund. The capital budget is $218 million. The District receives about $85.5 million in federal funding. And the D.C. Council contributes an extra $81 million. Divide all that by the 49,422 students enrolled (for the 2007-08 year) and you end up with about $24,600 per child.”
The Real Cost of Public Schools | Cato Institute

Cato is a biased right wing source.

 

[Agit8r]

Thanks to the progressive public educational system, children in the US rank 48th in math and science around the world.

Thanks to ever increasing debt, the lives of our children will be adversely effected as they inherit a country for sale.

Of course, the humane thing to do is just kill them before they are born. Not only will it prevent a life of misery from the said issues, it will be sure to reduce carbon emissions and the consumption of our finite resources. Saving the earth and maintaining our standard of living ranks higher than caring for our children, no matter the cost.

And what sort of educational systems do the 47 countries ranked ahead have?

also might be interesting to contrast their standards of living, and their environmental policies, since that was brought up for some reason.

and just for shits and giggles, we could cross reference with the percentage of people living in those countries who believe in SCIENCE. In fact, I can provide that data:

gee, how could having half the population NOT BELIEVE IN SCIENCE possibly affect the country's science ranking?!? It boggles the mind

What is the pay scale of the teachers in those countries? Do they belong to unions? And what are the educational requirements to obtain teaching certificates (do they even require them?)

I would bet they earn less, they are not as *well educated* in terms of picking up 5 years of indoctrination in liberal colleges which focus primarily on HOW to teach, instead of the SUBJECTS they are to teach...and they are most likely somewhat responsible towards the schools and parents where they work...instead of answering to the unions only.

well, I gotta admit that I'm having trouble finding the precise source of this 48th rank. All the articles that mention it say that it is from a World Economic Forum report, but the most recent installment of that report has us ranked 27th in "Math and Science Instruction"

1 Singapore............................6.31
2 Finland................................6.21
3 Belgium...............................6.18
4 Switzerland.........................5.83
5 Korea, Rep..........................5.55
6 Hong Kong SAR..................5.37
7 Netherlands.........................5.37
8 Canada...............................5.32
9 United Arab Emirates..........5.17
10 Malaysia..............................4.98
11 Australia..............................4.86
12 France.................................4.85
13 Japan..................................4.75
14 Jordan.................................4.69
15 Germany.............................4.66
16 India....................................4.66
17 Ireland.................................4.66
18 China..................................4.61
19 Ukraine................................4.59
20 Sweden...............................4.57
21 Saudi Arabia........................4.52
22 Denmark.............................4.49
23 Hungary..............................4.48
24 United Kingdom..................4.45
25 Austria.................................4.42
26 Indonesia............................4.39
27 United States......................4.32

http://www3.weforum.org/docs/FDR/2012/15_Pillar_2_Business_environment_FDR12.pdf

couldn't find much on teacher pay, but there is some information to be found:
Education in Singapore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Education in Finland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Education in Belgium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Katzndogz]

Anything not 100% lockstep with liberals is a right wing source.

American parents just have to start understanding that a public school education and continuing into higher education is designed to produce world class whores. If these parents want a substantive education they have to move to alternatives.

 

[tjvh]

the kids of our leaders are under the threat of insane people.


Do you not know this?

What public school teachers kids are under threats from insane people? Way to miss the point entirely.